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Thanks mate, yeah I looked at my diary, when I mixed up my first tank I did way too much for such an early stage, and it's over a week old now. Not a lot left, that will go onto the vegetable patch tomorrow and I'll mix up fresh water.Looks fine, hard to tell if little low on N or just the lighting, maybe give little more N next feed. Personally would trim leaves in contact with medium, but your grow your call.
Thanks mate. Yeah I've been super happy with the node spacing, I think the genetics are gonna be good, and particularly after the guy at the hydro store told me I'd wasted my money on the lights and would never get any results with them. They've actually been fantastic so far. I noticed in my diary the nutrient water is over a week old now, not sure if that can cause issues but not much left so will tip tomorrow and do fresh water, check my EC again. Will probably pull back on the Rhizo at this stage and get some more A+B in there for nitrogen.Lookin’ good so far! Can probably up your nutrients some to get a bit more Nitrogen flowing, they definitely should be greener. The long petioles is normal with some genetics, nothings to worry about. You’ve got good node spacing so the plant isn’t stretching. But yeah, can be inconvenient in the beginning when plants are shorter and leaves touch soil. Shouldn’t be an issue in another weeks or so.
Awesome thanks man, the encouragement from peeps on here helps a lot when going thru that uncertain first grow. I did plenty of reading beforehand which is about as much as you can do but life is always a better (and more brutal!) teacher than any book.Hydro store guys seem to be uniformly all assholes.A phat chunk of the general discussion surrounding the effectiveness of different LED lights is total marketing propaganda and broscience. The brand at the end of the day matters little compared to the technical specs. A light is a light, once you get passed wattage, color, intensity, etc it’s all fluff.
Depending, nutrient water kept in proper conditions has some longevity, say a couple of weeks. The more organic, that number lessens. They will add preservatives to them to increase shelf life. You’d see more problems mixing multiple nutrients together, different brands, or if making your own from salts because of no preservatives. Nevertheless, shorter is better and always best to mix a fresh batch each time.
Can’t wait to see them in another couple weeks, keep us posted. You’re off to a great start!
Awesome thanks man, the encouragement from peeps on here helps a lot when going thru that uncertain first grow. I did plenty of reading beforehand which is about as much as you can do but life is always a better (and more brutal!) teacher than any book.
Being a math/physics guy, I just looked at PPFD and PAR maps from decent independent sources. These 2 side by side will deliver almost 1000 PPFD in the hot zones, and nothing lower than 700 in the corner. This guy is telling me you won't get results from anything less than $1000. All that matters is the photons hitting the little babies - not to mention not having to worry about higher electric/higher heat when already living in a hot place by going with his HPS option, as well as the greater penetration from the larger output area. I've no doubt they'll do the job just fine :)
Nice to be able to share the journey, will keep posted as things progress for sure. Gonna give a nice hit of Nitrogen tomorrow and should see some greenage pretty quickly. Still getting used to how quickly things happen in coco, only ever done normal outdoor gardening before. Once I worked out that it's kinda hydro in a medium it sorta clicked into place. Hopefully with some help from the fam will be able to dodge some of the myriad traps further down the line!
Have added some nutes and brought EC up to 2.1. I have gone a bit over in last couple of days trying to get my watering schedule locked in. Today I have watered two hours before lights out and just after lights on. 125ml per plant, got 25ml per plant back so that's bang on. But think I've flushed it pretty well with the extra water, which isn't the worst problem. I'm only getting 1.2 back so the remainder should be being taken up and getting nutrient levels back up. The extra nitrogen hit had definitely added a bit more green from last night. I reckon I'm about a week away from having to address the question of whether or not to top. What should I be considering there?
Photos sorry. The Second one is the one that was showing the palest yellow colour. A ways to go but will see how they respond to the extra nitrogen over next couple of days.
Man that's awesome. Thanks so much for taking the time. A couple of questions on this because there is so much varying info out there:Gardening is one of those hobbies that reading books only helps but so much. You definitely learn the most from experience and getting your hands dirty, working to figure out what works best for your environment and situation. I'm confident that with your diligence and attention to detail, you'll have things streamlined in no time and be rockin' through cycles.
Hydro store guys always tellin' people their gear isn't good enough and they need to spend more money . . .I've been honestly surprised at the results some people are getting from the smaller ~$200 LED setups. Certainly light is important, one of the most important things, but it is far from a guarantee. So many other factors contribute to getting results. As long as the light is adequate, all will be well. There are plenty of people who buy big lights and still grow shitty weed, they might grow large plants but their weed still sucks.
Slowly but surely! You'll always be better off gradually bringing things up and responding to the look of the plant, as oppose to strictly following a nutrient schedule in the beginning. You will also find that different strains react different. So maybe next time, with a different strain, the amount you've given so far would have been adequate. It's one reason why you'll see experienced growers, and commercial operations, sticking with strains and really mastering them. There is too much variation to go about growing random strains every time.
You will certainly want to top. Topping will increase yield and create plants as you have envisioned them and seen in magazines. What's funny, is that our collective idea of what a cannabis plant looks like, is a topped cannabis plant. People don't usually think about this because they don't know topping is a thing. Until they grow their first plant and it's a long lanky thing that looks nothing like what is seen in the magazines or on television. Naturally cannabis will grow like a Christmas tree, which creates something that is taller than wider. Being inside, we don't want something tall and one way to control that is through topping. But more importantly, topping removes apical dominance and tells the plant to spend energy on the secondary shoots. This causes the plant to grow more secondary shoots, and more secondary shoots equals more bud sites. If you didn't top you would have a single large bud growing in the center. Topping makes the plant not grow this single large bud in the center and instead grow multiple buds around about the same size. You might think that a single large bud would be a good thing but what happens is that all the other buds on the plant are tiny since the plant has put a majority of its energy into developing this main cola. So by topping and creating a couple main buds, the plant will more evenly distribute it energy, and in the end you'll get a larger total weight.
With the most basic technique, you will top after the 4th node. That will create two new shoots, giving you two main shoots that will fight for dominance. This is when people will implement LST to tie those down and allow other shoots that start growing following the topping to catch up to the height of these two main shoots. Eventually you'll be left with a couple shoots that have made it up to the top of the canopy alongside those two main shoots, and those will all be your main shoots that will produce the majority of the flowers for the plants. The plant will continue putting out shoots from the bottom and middle but some will cut those off so as to not have the plant give any of its energy to anything but those main shoots at the top of the canopy.
Topping perfectly requires some careful timing, so don't worry if after your first go things don't look perfect. If you are going to top after the 4th node, you want to do it almost right as the 5th is starting to grow. Don't let the 5th grow out for a couple days and then snip it. Let it get maybe two inches long, and cut it back an inch so as to leave a little bit left. Don't cut it all the way down to the internode.
Like so:
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You really can't mess it up to a point where the plant is destroyed. Even if you miss slightly, a FIM, the thing will rebound. Here is one that I missed, and it recovered just as strong as the others and gave me an extra shoot. Some people will intentionally miss. These pictures are a couple days apart which is why the new growth in the second picture is further along.
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Then, about a week later, the plant has recovered and you've got good growth. Once the new shoots are long enough, tie them down. The reason for leaving a little bit left when snipping is that it allows the new shoots more surface area to bulk up those joints where they connect to the internode.
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Here is the FIM a couple days later
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It actually put off three shoots. So after the two that came from topping, the FIM plant has a total of 5 main shoots that will battle for dominance. The two shoots were tied down which allowed the three to catch up, eventually ending with all 5 to be around equal height and creating an even canopy.
I know at first topping can feel counter-intuitive, but once you get it and observe how the plant responds and grows from it, you'll almost never not do it. And like I said, it's very hard to mess it up, even if you miss the plant will bounce right back.
I can already notice the lowest foliage starting to green up a bit. Slowly but surely, you'll be good in no time friend!
Actually think I'm closer than I thought. This is the fifth node developing inside the fourth. From what you're describing I'm not looking for a heap more growth on this before I top? That's fourth node counting from first serrated leaf.Gardening is one of those hobbies that reading books only helps but so much. You definitely learn the most from experience and getting your hands dirty, working to figure out what works best for your environment and situation. I'm confident that with your diligence and attention to detail, you'll have things streamlined in no time and be rockin' through cycles.
Hydro store guys always tellin' people their gear isn't good enough and they need to spend more money . . .I've been honestly surprised at the results some people are getting from the smaller ~$200 LED setups. Certainly light is important, one of the most important things, but it is far from a guarantee. So many other factors contribute to getting results. As long as the light is adequate, all will be well. There are plenty of people who buy big lights and still grow shitty weed, they might grow large plants but their weed still sucks.
Slowly but surely! You'll always be better off gradually bringing things up and responding to the look of the plant, as oppose to strictly following a nutrient schedule in the beginning. You will also find that different strains react different. So maybe next time, with a different strain, the amount you've given so far would have been adequate. It's one reason why you'll see experienced growers, and commercial operations, sticking with strains and really mastering them. There is too much variation to go about growing random strains every time.
You will certainly want to top. Topping will increase yield and create plants as you have envisioned them and seen in magazines. What's funny, is that our collective idea of what a cannabis plant looks like, is a topped cannabis plant. People don't usually think about this because they don't know topping is a thing. Until they grow their first plant and it's a long lanky thing that looks nothing like what is seen in the magazines or on television. Naturally cannabis will grow like a Christmas tree, which creates something that is taller than wider. Being inside, we don't want something tall and one way to control that is through topping. But more importantly, topping removes apical dominance and tells the plant to spend energy on the secondary shoots. This causes the plant to grow more secondary shoots, and more secondary shoots equals more bud sites. If you didn't top you would have a single large bud growing in the center. Topping makes the plant not grow this single large bud in the center and instead grow multiple buds around about the same size. You might think that a single large bud would be a good thing but what happens is that all the other buds on the plant are tiny since the plant has put a majority of its energy into developing this main cola. So by topping and creating a couple main buds, the plant will more evenly distribute it energy, and in the end you'll get a larger total weight.
With the most basic technique, you will top after the 4th node. That will create two new shoots, giving you two main shoots that will fight for dominance. This is when people will implement LST to tie those down and allow other shoots that start growing following the topping to catch up to the height of these two main shoots. Eventually you'll be left with a couple shoots that have made it up to the top of the canopy alongside those two main shoots, and those will all be your main shoots that will produce the majority of the flowers for the plants. The plant will continue putting out shoots from the bottom and middle but some will cut those off so as to not have the plant give any of its energy to anything but those main shoots at the top of the canopy.
Topping perfectly requires some careful timing, so don't worry if after your first go things don't look perfect. If you are going to top after the 4th node, you want to do it almost right as the 5th is starting to grow. Don't let the 5th grow out for a couple days and then snip it. Let it get maybe two inches long, and cut it back an inch so as to leave a little bit left. Don't cut it all the way down to the internode.
Like so:
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You really can't mess it up to a point where the plant is destroyed. Even if you miss slightly, a FIM, the thing will rebound. Here is one that I missed, and it recovered just as strong as the others and gave me an extra shoot. Some people will intentionally miss. These pictures are a couple days apart which is why the new growth in the second picture is further along.
View attachment 1154980
Then, about a week later, the plant has recovered and you've got good growth. Once the new shoots are long enough, tie them down. The reason for leaving a little bit left when snipping is that it allows the new shoots more surface area to bulk up those joints where they connect to the internode.
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Here is the FIM a couple days later
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It actually put off three shoots. So after the two that came from topping, the FIM plant has a total of 5 main shoots that will battle for dominance. The two shoots were tied down which allowed the three to catch up, eventually ending with all 5 to be around equal height and creating an even canopy.
I know at first topping can feel counter-intuitive, but once you get it and observe how the plant responds and grows from it, you'll almost never not do it. And like I said, it's very hard to mess it up, even if you miss the plant will bounce right back.
I can already notice the lowest foliage starting to green up a bit. Slowly but surely, you'll be good in no time friend!
Actually think I'm closer than I thought. This is the fifth node developing inside the fourth. From what you're describing I'm not looking for a heap more growth on this before I top? That's fourth node counting from first serrated leaf.
Had a fun new adventure today called 'overwatering'. See photos of back two plants, back right being worst obviously. They were fine until half an hour after their first watering. Somehow I didn't connect the two and watered them again in the afternoon and they instantly drooped more. Have stopped watering, put the fan on the dirt and gave them some air holes in the dirt around the edges of the root base. They are back to normal already after about six hours. Fortunately they were very small waterings so it is draining thru quick and it was spotted quick. Think the two bigger plants must have had their root tips in the zone of the watering ring and just being inundated by the overly regular small waterings. Going back to what was working which is bigger waterings less often. They are all singing now, looking nice and green from that extra N. :)Yuppers! Let ‘er get a bit taller so you can avoid a FIM.
Had a fun new adventure today called 'overwatering'. See photos of back two plants, back right being worst obviously. They were fine until half an hour after their first watering. Somehow I didn't connect the two and watered them again in the afternoon and they instantly drooped more. Have stopped watering, put the fan on the dirt and gave them some air holes in the dirt around the edges of the root base. They are back to normal already after about six hours. Fortunately they were very small waterings so it is draining thru quick and it was spotted quick. Think the two bigger plants must have had their root tips in the zone of the watering ring and just being inundated by the overly regular small waterings. Going back to what was working which is bigger waterings less often. They are all singing now, looking nice and green from that extra N. :)
Yep correct, but only like 125ml a plant each watering. Tried to go to 3x last 2 days, and they didn't go for it. I thought because I was getting run off each time it was all good, but from what I've read, even though they don't need dry off, they need that break between waterings to get their oxygen supply, at least until their consumption goes up.S'all good, happens to everyone. I've unfortunately not grown in Coco so I can't help you with watering frequency. But, I think doing what works best for your circumstances is always the best bet. From what I gather, you'll go less frequent in veg and then increase in flower. You're at like what, twice a day currently?
I suspect that would take a lot longer in soil.
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