Harvested my first grow... I found a seed!!!

[Newty]

I have never had a problem with feminized but regs omg so many times I have had to pick out tons of seeds. The last one was blueberry muffin buy Humboldt. It was the only reg in the room to boot.View attachment 2282046View attachment 2282047

Feminized seeds are usually more hermie prone, interesting that you have issues with regular seeds instead.

I understand that no one wants to smoke seeds, I've seen people throw whole plants out because of a few seeds.
I personally think that's a waste, unless there's more seed then bud.

Usually hermies will only have a few seeds here and there, depending on when they hermied and if there was time to pollinate everything else. If they are not seeded heavy, all you have to do is take the time to break open the buds by hand before grinding it and you won't need to worry about smoking seeds.

 

[WickedMichelle]

Good to hear.

I do know that I've read on the forum, these guys are constantly looking lower and all around to check for these things. I don't have enough experience of how to tell you to spot hermies or bananas.

When you don't know, you don't know. Don't let these guys giving you a hard time cause any stress or make you question yourself. They didn't know at one time either. Roll with the punches, then start throwing Tyson KO swings.

The only time I have heard it mentioned to me that these things may do that is with the IR light from my web cam. I only used it a few times after that.

You went through a lot of changes with your environment throughout your grow.

Nothing really that major though. Nothing that they would not have experienced in nature... mostly heat and humidity changes. Everything else was pretty stable. Light schedule, feedings, clippings.... I tried to net it once, and some LST... I was gentle with them.

If I remember right, you were running UV, IR, and Deep Red Supplement lighting during this grow.

What schedule were you running each Supplement Light at throughout veg and flower?

I was not using these at first since I needed timers that I could trust. But once I did get them set, I was using the manufacturers recommendations. IR 10 min before main lights, then main lights with the deep red, then the UV for 10 min after main lights are out. Feeding was as per AN's feeding chart.

I have noticed that from the vacuum of the tent, my seems are starting to sprout little pin light holes from the stress of being pulled in the stitching.

So far I have only found 7 total seeds out of the total yield. I found some while rotating the buds in the jar to get them properly aired out. They tend to clump and stick together in the jars. Just two plants that I know for sure have seeds. The Purple Queen and the OG Kush. They were side by side and growing into each other... but so were the other two.

At least the grow is potent. All 4 strains give a nice high and as they get dryer, taste much better LOL. I just wonder how much of the 14oz I will lose when they are totally cured and dried 1/3 the weight? 1/2?

All in all, it is the best grow I ever had. I actually had bushy plants with buds. Not tall thin trees with just leaves. Now to prepare for the next grow. Punch Pie and Fat Banana.

 

[R4V3N]

I'm finding more and more seeds in dispo weed too, they don't care about quality either, just turnover. Tried to grow 3 of them, all germinated normal, and they all died as soon as the light hit them. I suspect Monsanto genetics are going to be rampant in a multi-billion dollar cannabis industry at some point, with their 'programed cell death', so seeds cannot be regrown from a harvest and you have to keep re-buying them. I have no proof of this of course, but this is their M.O. for all farming, and I just hate Monsanto enough to blame them for everything wrong in the world of horticulture.

 

[Newty]

The only time I have heard it mentioned to me that these things may do that is with the IR light from my web cam. I only used it a few times after that.

IR from web cam wouldn't of been enough to hermie them.

Nothing really that major though. Nothing that they would not have experienced in nature... mostly heat and humidity changes. Everything else was pretty stable. Light schedule, feedings, clippings.... I tried to net it once, and some LST... I was gentle with them.

Major heat or temp , humidity, and vpd swings/changes is definitely a leading/major cause of hermies. More so then light leaks.
In nature, the swings are not as much. Temp and humidity changes gradually as you come up into the warmer/summer months and gradually drop as you go into the cooler/fall and winter months, nature doesn't typically see drastic swings hour by hour/day by day.

I was not using these at first since I needed timers that I could trust. But once I did get them set, I was using the manufacturers recommendations. IR 10 min before main lights, then main lights with the deep red, then the UV for 10 min after main lights are out. Feeding was as per AN's feeding chart.

UV may have been a problem.
UV shouldn't be ran after lights out, at least the research I did mentions no use after lights out.
I use my UV by letting it run for 5-10 minutes on, 50-55 minutes off every hour during lights on.

Either way, you have a few seed, who cares?!
You made it to harvest and you get to smoke something your grew!
Pick the seeds out and enjoy!
Take your struggles and what you learned and apply it all to your next grow!

Highly recommend Grove Bags for curing and storage, way more convenient then having to burp jars! They have technology in them that keeps the bud around 58%-62% humidity, no burping required. The bags are reusable a few times as well!
Buying directly from their website seems to be cheaper then Amazon, at least for the genuine Grove Bags. Only $1.25 per bag for the 1 ounce size, they sell bigger and smaller also but I like packaging mine in ounce and half ounce bags.
I put the cheap round thermometer/hygrometers from Amazon in a few of the bags. (Pics below of bags/hygrometers)

Did you just hang it in your tent to dry?
No matter where you are drying it, stay out lol. You don't want to be changing the temp and humidity (or letting light in) all the time by checking on them.
Remember to keep lights off and fans from blowing directly on it or it will dry way to quick.
Dry and cure is definitely something you don't want to rush.

Try to keep at 60 degrees and 60% humidity for a few weeks.
I know it might not always be possible to keep the 60/60, I've had no issues with little higher temps and little higher or lower humidity. I just keep an eye on them a little closer the further they get from 60/60.

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[Jimbo888]

So how do you prevent the seeds?

 

[jrocks0326]

Not yet.... but if one plant seeds won't it pollinate the rest? How do I look for these while growing and stop them before it ruins the crop?

I’ve seen a plant produce a seed or 2 before and not hurt the grow. Sometimes a plant will produce a few seeds to try and keep the line going as a response to not being pollinated.

 

[DillyTrying2Learn]

This does not bother you? It bothers me. We pay more for female seeds to avoid this. If this was a cash crop it would be ruined. I have not seen a seed in my purchases in over 10 years. No one wants weed with seeds.

Even though this is a personal grow, I was at least hoping to sell a little to help pay for nutrients and the electricity bill. LOL. Hell, the past two months my electric bill jumped to over 200.00.

I found this article... https://www.royalqueenseeds.com/us/blog-cannabis-plants-male-female-and-hermaphrodite-n513

Down the page there is this disturbing information.....

"Can You Tell the Sex of a Cannabis Seed?​

No. Believe us, we’d be thrilled if this was the case!"

Ok, you have a company claiming to sell feminized seeds and yet there is an article on that same seed site saying the above. WTF?!?!?! So we pay for for feminized seeds with no guarantee they are in fact female. WOW!!!

I am a little pissed ATM.... Christ, all the money I spent on this grow only to get seeds.....! F#$&!!!!!!!

I do not have a "oh well, what can you do?" attitude. I expect to get what I pay for!!!

I think you're missing the point, this could of been 100% cause by you and nothing to do with the seeds. You're seeds we're all female. You got what you paid for, feminized seeds. As others have said this comes with the territory for growing weed, you can very easy stress them into doing this.

 

[DillyTrying2Learn]

So how do you prevent the seeds?

Keep happy plants, use good genetics, watch for pollen sacks or nanners and pick them off with a clean tweezers if you see any, avoid any males plants or pollen from male plants.

 

[WickedMichelle]

I just hate Monsanto enough to blame them for everything wrong in the world of horticulture.

We are going to get along real well

In nature, the swings are not as much. Temp and humidity changes gradually as you come up into the warmer/summer months and gradually drop as you go into the cooler/fall and winter months, nature doesn't typically see drastic swings hour by hour/day by day

Depends on the time of year I suppose. We are a 20 degree F difference today from yesterday. Even yesterday we were 82 during the day woke up at 55 degrees this morning. I will be moving my tent into a smaller room tomorrow before I start my next grow. I hope to be able to keep better control over the temp and humidity. Only 2 plants this time. 4 was WAY too tight in that tent. I think I can get a better spread and more top buds with less in there.

UV may have been a problem.
UV shouldn't be ran after lights out, at least the research I did mentions no use after lights out.
I use my UV by letting it run for 5-10 minutes on, 50-55 minutes off every hour during lights on.

Well, either this changed or I read it wrong. I was running the ir for 10 min before lights on. I was running the deep red with the main lights on the same schedule(18 veg/12 flower) and then the UV for 10 min after the lights went out. Ok, this could be the problem. :(

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I may skip these next grow. 5 min an hour will be hard to regulate.

Did you just hang it in your tent to dry?
No matter where you are drying it, stay out lol. You don't want to be changing the temp and humidity (or letting light in) all the time by checking on them.
Remember to keep lights off and fans from blowing directly on it or it will dry way to quick.
Dry and cure is definitely something you don't want to rush.

Yep, kept in a dark place, Again though... temp and humidity was a bit out of range at times. I may have jarred a little too moist on a few, the OG seems to have dried much faster in the jars more so than the other 3.

I did go with amber jars.... burping is a pain but not horrible. Only 75% full as recommended by something I read for more air. I have help for when I am at work and atm burping them every 3-4 hours for about 30min to an hour. Soooooo sticky. LOL. I make sure to fluff them up so air gets into all the areas. I have been spreading them out on a cookie sheet for a little to help break them apart from each other and reposition in the jars. I did pull them from the tent 2 days early... they looked really dry, more than they were. But I was also working with my job schedule and if I did not trim when I did it would have been over a week or so before i had the time off for it. Hell, it took me 2 days to trim 4 plants. That was a lot of work.

So those clear windows on those bags do not let too much light in?

I will also do more trimming before I start to dry. Try to get more of this off while they are still sticking out and not wrapped around the bud. UG! I need to get better at trimming as well LOL.

I think you're missing the point, this could of been 100% cause by you and nothing to do with the seeds.

No I get the point.... Now. I was under the assumption we got the feminized seeds to avoid getting seeds in the weed. This is why we remove the males.... so the females will not pollinate and seed. So with all female seeds I did not think I would have to worry. So when I found the seeds it threw me. I never knew that females could produce seeds without the males. (the joys of being a woman LMAO) Live and learn. Still not happy about them


All in all not a bad 1st grow. Considering my last grow was around 1990, 4 plants growing in my dining room, all natural light and nothing but tall skinny plants with just leaves. The goal was to save my 300.00 a mo. habit and that has been accomplished. All the small buds I kept aside out of jars for sampling is working for me. I cannot wait to get to the good stuff in the jars. I have also noticed that as each day goes by the samples are tasting better and better. The effects are what I was hoping for as well.

 

[NisterMice]

Something similiar happend to my last grow in Summer (posted also some photos here). I had no weed to smoke after about 6 weeks into flower, so I decided to take a little sample nug or 3. Long story short one of them had so many seeds that I thought the harvest would be ruined. Paranoid from this experience I considered my options, but after 3 or 4 days I decided to harvest early.

The result of it was still very good - I was lucky though to "pull" them early, because at that point they probably were going into seed production mode so you can't expect no more bud growth at that point.

Simon, a Dutch breeder and founder of Serious Seeds said in an interview that if the breeder did his job correctly when it comes to feminizing a cultivar, you should only get full blown males - although that happens rarely. Herming can be a sign that the breeder somehow messed up. Imo that is difficult to tell for beginners like me, because if this happens with your first harvest, there is no way of knowing if something went wrong (stress) and caused the plants to herm.

 

[orggrwr]

We are going to get along real well


Depends on the time of year I suppose. We are a 20 degree F difference today from yesterday. Even yesterday we were 82 during the day woke up at 55 degrees this morning. I will be moving my tent into a smaller room tomorrow before I start my next grow. I hope to be able to keep better control over the temp and humidity. Only 2 plants this time. 4 was WAY too tight in that tent. I think I can get a better spread and more top buds with less in there.


Well, either this changed or I read it wrong. I was running the ir for 10 min before lights on. I was running the deep red with the main lights on the same schedule(18 veg/12 flower) and then the UV for 10 min after the lights went out. Ok, this could be the problem. :(

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I may skip these next grow. 5 min an hour will be hard to regulate.


Yep, kept in a dark place, Again though... temp and humidity was a bit out of range at times. I may have jarred a little too moist on a few, the OG seems to have dried much faster in the jars more so than the other 3.

I did go with amber jars.... burping is a pain but not horrible. Only 75% full as recommended by something I read for more air. I have help for when I am at work and atm burping them every 3-4 hours for about 30min to an hour. Soooooo sticky. LOL. I make sure to fluff them up so air gets into all the areas. I have been spreading them out on a cookie sheet for a little to help break them apart from each other and reposition in the jars. I did pull them from the tent 2 days early... they looked really dry, more than they were. But I was also working with my job schedule and if I did not trim when I did it would have been over a week or so before i had the time off for it. Hell, it took me 2 days to trim 4 plants. That was a lot of work.

So those clear windows on those bags do not let too much light in?

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I will also do more trimming before I start to dry. Try to get more of this off while they are still sticking out and not wrapped around the bud. UG! I need to get better at trimming as well LOL.


No I get the point.... Now. I was under the assumption we got the feminized seeds to avoid getting seeds in the weed. This is why we remove the males.... so the females will not pollinate and seed. So with all female seeds I did not think I would have to worry. So when I found the seeds it threw me. I never knew that females could produce seeds without the males. (the joys of being a woman LMAO) Live and learn. Still not happy about them


All in all not a bad 1st grow. Considering my last grow was around 1990, 4 plants growing in my dining room, all natural light and nothing but tall skinny plants with just leaves. The goal was to save my 300.00 a mo. habit and that has been accomplished. All the small buds I kept aside out of jars for sampling is working for me. I cannot wait to get to the good stuff in the jars. I have also noticed that as each day goes by the samples are tasting better and better. The effects are what I was hoping for as well.

Congratulations on a successful first grow. Enjoy.

 

[Newty]

Depends on the time of year I suppose. We are a 20 degree F difference today from yesterday. Even yesterday we were 82 during the day woke up at 55 degrees this morning.

Right but we are moving into the fall months so it's a natural transition, in an outdoor grow the plants would almost be done at this point and the cooler night temps are part of the triggers for an outdoor plant.
Much different then being in veg or early flower with big environmental swings.

Well, either this changed or I read it wrong. I was running the ir for 10 min before lights on. I was running the deep red with the main lights on the same schedule(18 veg/12 flower) and then the UV for 10 min after the lights went out. Ok, this could be the problem. :(

ADlite Supplemental LED Grow Lights | Mars Hydro

Mars Hydro Adlite supplemental LED grow lights with Blue, UV, IR, and Deep Red light complement full-spectrum lighting to boost plant growth and maximize yields.

www.mars-hydro.com

I may skip these next grow. 5 min an hour will be hard to regulate.

My AC Infinity Controller 69 has the ability to schedule 5-10 on 50-55 off. That's what I use for my UV lights.
Some wifi smart plugs will let you do the same.

So those clear windows on those bags do not let too much light in?

You can get them without windows but I also keep my bags in a dark room, closet, box, etc so the window doesn't matter.
I like the windows so I can see temp and humidity without opening the bag.

I wouldn't personally be wet trimming your plants. Jarring wet is going to bring it's own issues such as mold.

Hang them until they are dry, then trim.
You should hear the stems snap but the outside not break.
Buds when squeezed should slowly puff back out, if they stay squished they are to wet.
Trimming will be much easier if properly dry and end product much nicer.

If you like the effects now, wait until a proper dry and cure

 

[WickedMichelle]

You should hear the stems snap but the outside not break.
Buds when squeezed should slowly puff back out, if they stay squished they are to wet.
Trimming will be much easier if properly dry and end product much nicer.

Thank you

 

[TheDankest]

On the plus side, if these are female seeds then I have 6 more plants. I do have more OG Kush, got another free pack with my last purchase.... but I did not have any more purple and I wanted to grow that again so this works out in a way.

If you're talking about growing the seeds you found in this harvest, that's absolutely an option. Just be aware that females that hermie/produce nanners, their seeds likely contain those genes now and are much more likely to hermie/produce nanners and more seeds.

 

[WickedMichelle]

If you're talking about growing the seeds you found in this harvest, that's absolutely an option. Just be aware that females that hermie/produce nanners, their seeds likely contain those genes now and are much more likely to hermie/produce nanners and more seeds.

well that is not a happy thing

 

[TheDankest]

well that is not a happy thing

Just wanted to make you aware before you grew em and ended up disappointed that there were seeds again. It's not guaranteed they'd hermie, but overall they are more likely to. You can still grow some fire stuff from those seeds, but I'd recommend growing them away from your other plants since they're more likely to hermie, and would potentially pollenate your other plants in the process.

 

[WickedMichelle]

Just wanted to make you aware before you grew em and ended up disappointed that there were seeds again. It's not guaranteed they'd hermie, but overall they are more likely to. You can still grow some fire stuff from those seeds, but I'd recommend growing them away from your other plants since they're more likely to hermie, and would potentially pollenate your other plants in the process.

I appreciate the heads up. I found one from the sherbet today airing them out. I like that one. But as much as I like it... I do not want to worry about seeds. This plant would have a lot to check and pull off if it did. I need a 2nd tent LOL