Heavy 16 User Superthread

Spankjob · Jun 17, 2013

Hi! this is my first post ever on these forums!

im running the entire line this outdoor grow:
Veg AB
Roots
Prime (also was gifted the NEW PRIME CONCENTRATE!)
Foilar
Fire
Bud AB

Along with a Weekly Tea (EWC/molasses/kelp/Fishhyrdo), Pro-Tekt, Great White, and MSP for my week 6/7.

Im growing a new (to me) slower vegging strain so i dont really have anything to compare my growth or quality too, but i am fairly pleased so far.

I was given a sample of finish but unfortunetly have two seperate instructions... one says use ONLY last week of harvest, one says use 5ml with every feed.

My only major gripe ive had so far is the Veg A/B seems to be leaving behind a lot of salt. I wanted to start running my finish to help deal with some of the salt buildup, but am really not sure what to do and the makers of these products are closed for the day. 5ml/gal at $47 a quart seems a bit spendy in comparison to drip clean at .4ml/gal if i am indeed supposed to use it every feeding.

oscar169 · Jun 18, 2013

Spankjob said:
Hi! this is my first post ever on these forums!

im running the entire line this outdoor grow:
Veg AB
Roots
Prime (also was gifted the NEW PRIME CONCENTRATE!)
Foilar
Fire
Bud AB

Along with a Weekly Tea (EWC/molasses/kelp/Fishhyrdo), Pro-Tekt, Great White, and MSP for my week 6/7.

Im growing a new (to me) slower vegging strain so i dont really have anything to compare my growth or quality too, but i am fairly pleased so far.

I was given a sample of finish but unfortunetly have two seperate instructions... one says use ONLY last week of harvest, one says use 5ml with every feed.

My only major gripe ive had so far is the Veg A/B seems to be leaving behind a lot of salt. I wanted to start running my finish to help deal with some of the salt buildup, but am really not sure what to do and the makers of these products are closed for the day. 5ml/gal at $47 a quart seems a bit spendy in comparison to drip clean at .4ml/gal if i am indeed supposed to use it every feeding.

I was going to buy the Finish but also found that the feed charts were saying to use every feeding then, was finding hydro store saying only last two weeks during flush, so I'm going to just run it again with out the finish.;)

Spankjob · Jun 19, 2013

Just got off the phone with bryce, he said the new formulation of finish is just for the last week. He did make a comment on how the 'roots' product helps to reduce salt buildup when used every feeding, but didnt elaborate further. Sounds like ill be waiting and just using finish to finish!

oscar169 · Jun 20, 2013

Spankjob said:
Just got off the phone with bryce, he said the new formulation of finish is just for the last week. He did make a comment on how the 'roots' product helps to reduce salt buildup when used every feeding, but didnt elaborate further. Sounds like ill be waiting and just using finish to finish!

So did he say when the Roots would be in the Hydro Stores ?

Spankjob · Jun 20, 2013

I didnt ask, as no stores in my area carry any H16 at all. I just bought mine from green coast (i placed a phone order because it wasnt in the online store and paid with pay pal) they were very professional, the price was right and I had my roots in 2 days. I like it. It beats the pants off rapid start, and goes toe-to-toe with roots excel (except it costs less and doesn't contain any of the rooting hormones that I assume roots excel has) I will probably never grow without it again, to be honest.

CelticEBE · Jun 20, 2013

oscar169 said:
So did he say when the Roots would be in the Hydro Stores ?

Both Finish and Roots are on the shelves now....well here in SoCal anyway.

Has anyone tried the H16 Cadillac Sauce? I've added a few things from it to my regimen, hopefully I will see some good results.

Spankjob · Jun 20, 2013

CelticEBE said:
Both Finish and Roots are on the shelves now....well here in SoCal anyway.

Has anyone tried the H16 Cadillac Sauce? I've added a few things from it to my regimen, hopefully I will see some good results.

Tell me more about this "Cadillac Sauce"

Spankjob · Jun 21, 2013

Oh yes ive seen this a while ago. It seemed to be a few too many additives and swapping of nutes for me. Do you use it?

Spankjob · Jun 21, 2013

Also, since I forgot to mention it and remembered seeing it earlier: has anyone ran fire/moab combo? I plan on doing it this run, in the exact style of hh/moab (base, fire wk 0-5, then cut the base and fire in half for 6-7 when maob is introduced at full strength)

Any thoughts, ideas, suggestions?

CelticEBE · Jun 21, 2013

Spankjob said:
Oh yes ive seen this a while ago. It seemed to be a few too many additives and swapping of nutes for me. Do you use it?

Yeah, Im not running all those aditives. As stated above I've added a few things to the regimen such as Big Bud @ 100ppm and Budswell, butg that's it.

Curious to hear how the MOAB works with FIRE.....keep us posted.

d3cryption · Jun 22, 2013

How many people switched from 6/9 gh Lucas to heavy16 and like the switch .? What improvements did u see. ? I'm thinking about switching to h16 or h&g... Thanks .

cheaplastic · Jun 28, 2013

Spankjob said:
Tell me more about this "Cadillac Sauce"

Its a waste of money. clearly redundant products.

CelticEBE said:
Yeah, Im not running all those aditives. As stated above I've added a few things to the regimen such as Big Bud @ 100ppm and Budswell, butg that's it.

Curious to hear how the MOAB works with FIRE.....keep us posted.

dont do it. you will most likely fry your plants and throw off the proper bloom ratios when using Heavy 16. MOAB is just simple mono-potassium

phosphate and B1. I dont understand all the hype. you can buy a 55 LB sack of the stuff for a bill..

Spankjob said:
Also, since I forgot to mention it and remembered seeing it earlier: has anyone ran fire/moab combo? I plan on doing it this run, in the exact style of hh/moab (base, fire wk 0-5, then cut the base and fire in half for 6-7 when maob is introduced at full strength)

Any thoughts, ideas, suggestions?

again, just look at the ingredients in FIRE and compare it to MOAB. Why cut FIRE in half and use an inferior product in its place during peak bloom? that doesnt make sense..

That would be analogous to eating half a filet mignon, tossing it aside and deciding to finish your meal with a hotdog. Do more research on the active ingredients in FIRE.

Spankjob · Jun 28, 2013

cheaplastic said:
Its a waste of money. clearly redundant products.

dont do it. you will most likely fry your plants and throw off the proper bloom ratios when using Heavy 16. MOAB is just simple mono-potassium

phosphate and B1. I dont understand all the hype. you can buy a 55 LB sack of the stuff for a bill..

again, just look at the ingredients in FIRE and compare it to MOAB. Why cut FIRE in half and use an inferior product in its place during peak bloom? that doesnt make sense..

That would be analogous to eating half a filet mignon, tossing it aside and deciding to finish your meal with a hotdog. Do more research on the active ingredients in FIRE.

Only a fraction of the plants will be getting the mpk, I just plain dont have enough money/product to run fire at proper dosage on all of the plants in the garden as directed. The moab is free as I already own it. Most of them will get just the fire, some will get the fire/moab. I did the math and run out of fire a week short if they all recieve just fire. Im making the best of what ive got. But I do see your point, and do agree with you. Would you reccomend I perhaps stop using the fire early?

CelticEBE · Jun 29, 2013

cheaplastic said:
Its a waste of money. clearly redundant products.

dont do it. you will most likely fry your plants and throw off the proper bloom ratios when using Heavy 16. MOAB is just simple mono-potassium

phosphate and B1. I dont understand all the hype. you can buy a 55 LB sack of the stuff for a bill..

again, just look at the ingredients in FIRE and compare it to MOAB. Why cut FIRE in half and use an inferior product in its place during peak bloom? that doesnt make sense..

That would be analogous to eating half a filet mignon, tossing it aside and deciding to finish your meal with a hotdog. Do more research on the active ingredients in FIRE.

Well for one, I am not using MOAB and Fire together, I never have. I have always run MOAB with Hammerhead, and I can honestly say that my plants LOVE that shit during the last two weeks of CO2.

I am always experimenting a bit, and right now I am using a few products not in the Heavy 16 lineup, and I gotta say I am pretty stoked with the results. I run Bud Blood in addition to Fire in week one, and Big Bud with Fire weeks 2 to 4 or 5 depending on what I am running (some of my gear goes 8 weeks, some goes 9....I got a few I could probably take to 10.

Mind you I am also running Sea Green when I am in Flower, and I have YET to see any kind of curling or tip burn at all. My plants are also pretty big...so they can take the extra feeding.

CelticEBE · Jun 29, 2013

Oh yeah....if you haven't heard already Prime is now 5x more concentrated. Usage rates are now 1ml in Veg, 2ml early flower and 3ml in late flower. What I used to buy in a 5 liter jug, now comes in a liter bottle.

Spankjob · Jun 29, 2013

CelticEBE said:
Well for one, I am not using MOAB and Fire together, I never have. I have always run MOAB with Hammerhead, and I can honestly say that my plants LOVE that shit during the last two weeks of CO2.

I am always experimenting a bit, and right now I am using a few products not in the Heavy 16 lineup, and I gotta say I am pretty stoked with the results. I run Bud Blood in addition to Fire in week one, and Big Bud with Fire weeks 2 to 4 or 5 depending on what I am running (some of my gear goes 8 weeks, some goes 9....I got a few I could probably take to 10.

Mind you I am also running Sea Green when I am in Flower, and I have YET to see any kind of curling or tip burn at all. My plants are also pretty big...so they can take the extra feeding.

Bigbud and fire at the same time eh? Whats your approx application rate (ml/gal)?

cheaplastic · Jun 30, 2013

Good luck with the experimenting guys! IMVHO i believe if someone is running the full heavy line up, additional bloom booster/supplements are unnecessary and can be conflicting. Heavy 16 Fire was in R&D for several years before it was finally released to the public. When used exactly as directed, its one of the most effective and concentrated, all encompassing bloom nutrients on the market. just keep it simple and the results will be apparent!!;)

additional potassium silicate and CalMag doesnt hurt.

many more bling shots to come!

Spankjob · Jun 30, 2013

cheaplastic said:
Good luck with the experimenting guys! IMVHO i believe if someone is running the full heavy line up, additional bloom booster/supplements are unnecessary and can be conflicting. Heavy 16 Fire was in R&D for several years before it was finally released to the public. When used exactly as directed, its one of the most effective and concentrated, all encompassing bloom nutrients on the market. just keep it simple and the results will be apparent!!;)

additional potassium silicate and CalMag doesnt hurt.

many more bling shots to come!

That reminds me (sorry if this has been mentioned before) is there a difference between the two different formulations of fire I have then? Or are they the same but had to be relabed?

CelticEBE · Jun 30, 2013

cheaplastic said:
Good luck with the experimenting guys! IMVHO i believe if someone is running the full heavy line up, additional bloom booster/supplements are unnecessary and can be conflicting. Heavy 16 Fire was in R&D for several years before it was finally released to the public. When used exactly as directed, its one of the most effective and concentrated, all encompassing bloom nutrients on the market. just keep it simple and the results will be apparent!!;)

additional potassium silicate and CalMag doesnt hurt.

many more bling shots to come!

My best results have come from the OLD formulation of Fire. I'm not super impressed with the new formulation.

Spankjob said:
Bigbud and fire at the same time eh? Whats your approx application rate (ml/gal)?

This run I am using Fire at its recommended dose, and Big Bud at 100 ppm, but I think I may switch it up and just run fire at 1ml and then run big bud at the rates I used to.

CelticEBE · Jun 30, 2013

Spankjob said:
That reminds me (sorry if this has been mentioned before) is there a difference between the two different formulations of fire I have then? Or are they the same but had to be relabed?

They are different. From what I understand Bryce reformulated it to get more weight, but for some reason I....and many others, got better weights off the old formulation. I know he does custom batches for people and I may ask him to make some of the OLD Fire for me when I am a bit more flush.

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