Help diagnose my plants please I’m scared

First time grower, outdoor, got my 4 girls out a couple weeks ago potted in 10 gallons of FFOF each. Had a couple rainy days in a row with little sun and at first glance everything was okay but when I looked closer 2 of them seem sick. All the new growth is wilting and my fan leaves are showing discolouration, and even breaking/ curling tips. Do you guys think it’s overwatering?? What should I do I’m so worried about them?
Looks like you're over watering. Get some hydrogen peroxide and mix up a couple of cap fulls in a gallon of water. Get some epsom salt, sprinkle a 1/4 cup on the soil before you put feed the hydrogen peroxide/water mix. Water just around the stalk just a little. As the mix goes through the medium the peroxide oxygenates the roots and will clean them up. Then grab some scissors and half cut the leaves while pinching and thinning the plant a bit. You're trying to rejuvenate the roots, and halving the leaves, removing a bunch of the vegetation at the top will allow the plant to focus on growing roots. You'll see the difference in a matter of days. Over watering is a mistake almost everyone makes, I've been in long time farmer's gardens that we're losing plants to over watering. If you're only in a 10 gallon pot, she could be getting root bound, and in that case your best bet is to transplant into a bigger bag or pot with some good dry soil and mix in your epsom salt dry. Azomite is another great farmer's tool. Basically pulverized volcanic rock and provides trace nutrients... vitamins for your sick plant. Make certain to use EPSOM SALT, not table salt. =0) Happy Farming.
Thanks Frankie for the help, that’s what I thought. Just put the Epsom salts and water them with the hydrogen peroxide solution? Should I let them dry out or do it sooner rather then later?
Right now I'd just cut them, but I'd go way down the plant. That's usually how it goes with sick plants, healthy one minute, struggling the next...especially as a new farmer. If you do this for a few years, you'll start to see stress in your plants just before the droop. Not sure where you are, but I had a cold/wet spell roll through here late as well, and my plants suffered too, but they're thriving today. Quick tip: In the morning when you see your plants drooping, first instinct is to run for the hose, let them wake up completely, some strains pop right up at the crack of dawn, others are late sleepers, just like people. Stick your fingers in the soil to check for moisture, don't just assume that because it's dry on top, the plant needs water. Right now we've had two days in a row over 95, I haven't watered in, as of tonight, will be two days. Granted, mine are in the ground, but as their root balls grow and we head into even hotter temps, I'll be watering even less often, and in temperate weather they will go as long as 5 days without, completely thriving. Yes, cut the entire leaf in half, leave some, but do it on all the leaves..the more you allow the plant to focus on roots, especially this early in the season, the better your fruit will be. Also, if you're not going to transplant them, then yes, use the epsom salt and hydrogen peroxide mix. Do it in the morning, and just enough to get to the roots, it's not a flush. If you transplant them, mix the epsom salts into the soil and then plant into the dry soil, the first watering use the mix. Happy Farming.
I’m thinking of transplanting to 20 gallon fabric pots. Should I top with Epsom salts, do the hydrogen peroxide and cut the leaves in the meantime because I realistically won’t be able to transplant until at least Sunday by the time I get the bigger pots.
Fox Farm stuff is pretty hot. Some strains can handle it, some can't. With your new growth being affected, I would look at things that you have done, or have happened, recently. I guess it could be overwatering, but most premium soils don't hold too much water, typically. The rain, combined with the high nutrient content of FFOG, might have increased the amount of available nutrients, causing an overdose situation. Excessive fertilizers can upset the osmotic process between the roots and the growing medium, causing leaves to droop and look like they need water. Overwatering can cause some similar looking conditions, so it is something recent that is probably causing the problem. The curling leaves and mis-shapen new growth makes me think of a nutrient overload. At least to these old eyes.
I thought PH imbalance when I saw these yellow spots on lower leaves. The droopyness tells me overwatering as well. Are you checking the PH of your feed water? And I agree to let them dry out a bit. I don't follow the "second knuckle" technique of checking soil moisture. I use a meter with foot long prongs to check moisture at root level. Fox Farm is dense and holds water a long time in 20 gallon pots. I add 33% perlite for better drainage and don't add water till they are "dry" to the depth of the meter. (Dry being the low end of the green "moist" section on the meter. I've also changed pots to 36" tall 20 gallon ones as roots seem to want to go down more than out judging by the shape of the root ball at pull out. AND the taller the pot the longer it holds its water so far for me. Some of this years grow is the same phenotype as last year (left over seeds) so I can make some judgement from the results. I'll stay in touch...
Over the years of growing outside in pots I’ve discovered if you incur a problem it helps to transplant into bigger pots. I used to grow in pots like that when I first started also and did alright, but I have found I have more room for error and healthier plants overall with a bigger pot size.. I used to freak out and move my plants also. Late season cold weather or hail. Never know though, hail destroyed my roof a couple years ago. Have a back plan. I have ways to cover mine and have some trees protecting it kinda. Shake your plants off as good gently as you can in cold weather late season when the buds are heavy without breaking them and inspect the buds closely for mold. Remove that if you see it, not the entire plant just the infected part.. Add things like egg shells in your compost to prevent mold. Make sure they’re staked up when they start to flower more. I’m not sure what nutrient regiment you are using or strain selection. Some strains are more picky than others about nutrients. But transplanting helps a lot with nutrient deficiencies. It will also help you harvest more and have healthier plants. Pretty much find a good ratio of NPK in there an your plants should be healthy all season. Top dress with some nutrient NPK mixture. late season if any deficiencies arise. Just my opinion anyhow. Let us know how your ladies are doing after some progress.. Happy farming on your first grow!
I tried what Frankie suggested Friday night and they seem much livelier today.the leaves were drying out bad and the tips were breaking off before. the leaves now feel over saturated with water and signs of nutrient overdose. I’m going to transplant to 20 gallon fabric pots tomorrow/Tuesday. Should I use a less hot soil then FFOF when transplanting them? Can I expect these poor babies to go back to normal?
Yeah, seems the forum has this pretty well diagnosed. The 10 gallon pots are killing you. If you've got to go that small, put them in a 20 gallon grow bag with handles, they'll serve you better. To be honest, I wasn't thinking about nutrient burn, it's June 6th here, my girls have been in the ground for 2 weeks, have seen NOTHING but water, and only when they need it. The more effort you put into mixing your soil, the better start you'll get. Bio-live, Azomite, Epsom salts, kelp meal, along with some organic material, (horseshit aged a few years is awesome and cheap) mixed in to the soil before they go in the ground will save you a grip of heartache. I won't fertilize this outdoor garden until at least the 1st week of July, and then only if they're showing some sort of deficiency. I'll let them tell me what they need. If you're already feeding them in those little pots, you're almost asking for trouble, (nutrient lock) It's been years, but I've locked up huge plants in 200 gallon sacks, talk about heartbreaking, but I learned my lesson, more isn't always better. If it is nutrient lock and over watering, you'd do the plants some good by using the peroxide mix I mentioned earlier, and letting them dry out. it works, dark rotting roots will become white and healthy again in a matter of days. Also, a couple of days after using the peroxide, grab some organic matter, (horseshit or something) and top dress the plant a little because the peroxide as it cleans the roots, also strips nutrients, you'll have to introduce a light dose at that point.
It's not the soil, it's the nutes you added to an already nutrient rich mix. It's okay, most of us have done it. Remember with nutrients, go easy, always go easy and build your soil to provide everything they need for their first month or so. If you're going to transplant, mix the soil and amendments well and transplant dry, don't water the new pot for a couple of days and watch them come back. You'll find it's really important to take your time, take the steps and time to keep them thriving throughout their lifetime. Overwatered and nutrient locked plants can be saved, but it takes weeks off of their growth process. I'm almost 60 years old and retired now, so I have the time to be in my garden 5-7 times a day, sometimes to work, sometimes just to hang out. I don't run drip lines anymore, I've got 7 strains out here, all with different watering needs, I do it all by hand, the girls that need water receive, the ones that don't get passed by. It's a lot of work, and an intense commitment for 6 months of the year, but come October, it's all worth it. Good luck and Happy Farming!
Thanks for the help. Just want to clarify I haven’t fed any additional nutes just planted in FFOF which has water soluble nutes and I’m pretty sure with all the rain the girls are drowning in nutrients. They’re calling for sun the next couple days so hopefully the girls dry up a bit and come back. As far as all the fan leaves I’ve cut, those will never grow back right?
. I rarely water these girls the rain usually keeps it moist. I use the 2 prong meter for moistness as well, does the ph function on those meters give a proper reading because it always reads alkaline for me.
Mine too, 7 or a hair above. Even directly into a fresh bag of ff which should be around 6.8. But put it in a citrus fruit and its a 3.5, so they work...just inaccurate🤨