Help With Understanding A & B Nutrients

TheGreenGroomer · Jan 17, 2024

hey guys is there anyone is this forum that could possibly help me get my head around this topic..
so with nutrients you must give more nitrogen in the veg stage and to lower it down in flower whilst increasing phosphorus & pottasium..
what im trying to understand is i have Bottle A (3.9-0-0) + Bottle B (1.8-2.1-4.6) so if in veg stage i should be giving more nitrogen do i dose more of Bottle A ?
my feed chart is saying the same ml-dosages for both bottles so im so confused as i am a beginner grower :)

nutrients im using are Shogun Samurai Coco Pack

any help will be really appreciated... <3

TheGreenGroomer · Jan 17, 2024

TheGreenGroomer said:
hey guys is there anyone is this forum that could possibly help me get my head around this topic..
so with nutrients you must give more nitrogen in the veg stage and to lower it down in flower whilst increasing phosphorus & pottasium..
what im trying to understand is i have Bottle A (3.9-0-0) + Bottle B (1.8-2.1-4.6) so if in veg stage i should be giving more nitrogen do i dose more of Bottle A ?
my feed chart is saying the same ml-dosages for both bottles so im so confused as i am a beginner grower :)

nutrients im using are Shogun Samurai Coco Pack

any help will be really appreciated... <3

Smokey0418 · Jan 17, 2024

TheGreenGroomer · Jan 17, 2024

Smokey0418 said:
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intresting thanks is this something you follow or have used in the past?

Smokey0418 · Jan 17, 2024

No, just looked up the product for a feed chart.
Personally run botanicare kind but it has been discontinued.
At some point I will need to switch to something.
Your product is simliar to many, calmag and a@b .
Mine is a base and bloom or base grow .
Preaty much the same idea.

TheGreenGroomer · Jan 17, 2024

Smokey0418 said:
No, just looked up the product for a feed chart.
Personally run botanicare kind but it has been discontinued.
At some point I will need to switch to something.
Your product is simliar to many, calmag and a@b .
Mine is a base and bloom or base grow .
Preaty much the same idea.

so through out the whole grow phase im giving the same ml dosages of both A&B when i want to cut down nitrogen slightly in Veg do i just give less of Bottle A?

Smokey0418 · Jan 17, 2024

By the looks of the chart your correct , the same of each.
4ml of each for the first three weeks of flower then it gets less.
It’s fancy in that it uses the same mix all the time, have seen this a few times , growers testing the theory that fertilizer doesn’t need to change.

TheGreenGroomer · Jan 17, 2024

Smokey0418 said:
No, just looked up the product for a feed chart.
Personally run botanicare kind but it has been discontinued.
At some point I will need to switch to something.
Your product is simliar to many, calmag and a@b .
Mine is a base and bloom or base grow .
Preaty much the same idea.

hopefully everything goes well lmao thanks for the advice dude

Smokey0418 said:
By the looks of the chart your correct , the same of each.
4ml of each for the first three weeks of flower then it gets less.
It’s fancy in that it uses the same mix all the time, have seen this a few times , growers testing the theory that fertilizer doesn’t need to change

TheGreenGroomer · Jan 17, 2024

Smokey0418 said:
By the looks of the chart your correct , the same of each.
4ml of each for the first three weeks of flower then it gets less.
It’s fancy in that it uses the same mix all the time, have seen this a few times , growers testing the theory that fertilizer doesn’t need to change.

can i ask where you got 4ml from.? it says 10ml-20ml for A&B

Smokey0418 · Jan 17, 2024

TheGreenGroomer said:
can i ask where you got 4ml from.? it says 10ml-20ml for A&B

There is a link for fast buds and there is a 4 , but not sure what there referencing too.

Smokey0418 · Jan 17, 2024

Smokey0418 said:
There is a link for fast buds and there is a 4 , but not sure what there referencing too.

Ok , I have looked at your product.

I have found a link with info that you should read.

This is my take, you use both at the equal rates,

Then once you get a couple weeks into flower you add the pk warrior too.

The pk warrior is the more phosphorus and potassium.

They show a hard water mix, so preaty much most everyone’s water 200ppm and up .
Then a soft water like reversed osmosis, very low 6 say, so that one would calmag to the 160 ppm or so if they wish 200.

Hope that clears up something.

Iink, add an h to link

ttps://2fast4buds.com/news/shogun-feeding-chart-usage-guide

Smokey0418 · Jan 17, 2024

Smokey0418 said:
Ok , I have looked at your product.

I have found a link with info that you should read.

This is my take, you are to use either A and or B but not both at one time.

You are to choose what works best , as you say you would want to cut back on N at some point.

I could understand perhaps using the fertilizer in a way like this for example.

Vegging A only.
First 1.5 weeks of flower A only
Then B got the remainder tapering off in the last couple weeks before picking.

They show a hard water mix, so preaty much most everyone’s water 200ppm and up .
Then a soft water like reversed osmosis, very low 6 say, so that one would calmag to the 160 ppm or so if they wish 200.

Hope that clears up something.

Iink, add an h to link

ttps://2fast4buds.com/news/shogun-feeding-chart-usage-guide

Think that’s the last edit.

DR.PNW · Jan 17, 2024

TheGreenGroomer said:
hey guys is there anyone is this forum that could possibly help me get my head around this topic..
so with nutrients you must give more nitrogen in the veg stage and to lower it down in flower whilst increasing phosphorus & pottasium..
what im trying to understand is i have Bottle A (3.9-0-0) + Bottle B (1.8-2.1-4.6) so if in veg stage i should be giving more nitrogen do i dose more of Bottle A ?
my feed chart is saying the same ml-dosages for both bottles so im so confused as i am a beginner grower :)

nutrients im using are Shogun Samurai Coco Pack

any help will be really appreciated... <3

Your nutrients are a good base, but are just that: a base.
It is designed to be used in equal parts all the way through with additives.
Some base nutrients switch between a grow and a bloom for each phase, respectively.
When you hit flower this is when your "boost" products come into play to spike your P and K.
N reduction is beneficial and can be played with in a few ways;
eg. instead of 30ml/30ml, 20ml/40ml. This still keeps the dose in the recommended range.

TheGreenGroomer · Jan 18, 2024

DR.PNW said:
Your nutrients are a good base, but are just that: a base.
It is designed to be used in equal parts all the way through with additives.
Some base nutrients switch between a grow and a bloom for each phase, respectively.
When you hit flower this is when your "boost" products come into play to spike your P and K.
N reduction is beneficial and can be played with in a few ways;
eg. instead of 30ml/30ml, 20ml/40ml. This still keeps the dose in the recommended range.

thanks buddy appreciate you

TheGreenGroomer · Jan 18, 2024

Smokey0418 said:
Ok , I have looked at your product.

I have found a link with info that you should read.

This is my take, you use both at the equal rates,

Then once you get a couple weeks into flower you add the pk warrior too.

The pk warrior is the more phosphorus and potassium.

They show a hard water mix, so preaty much most everyone’s water 200ppm and up .
Then a soft water like reversed osmosis, very low 6 say, so that one would calmag to the 160 ppm or so if they wish 200.

Hope that clears up something.

Iink, add an h to link

ttps://2fast4buds.com/news/shogun-feeding-chart-usage-guide

thankssss dude

TheGreenGroomer · Jan 18, 2024

Smokey0418 said:
Think that’s the last edit.

if im not mistaken i did a hardness not long ago with a brand new tds meter and got a reading of 36ppm hannah

TheGreenGroomer · Jan 18, 2024

Smokey0418 said:
Think that’s the last edit.

i guess ill take this advice buddy see how it goes

monkey47 · Feb 19, 2024

TheGreenGroomer said:
so through out the whole grow phase im giving the same ml dosages of both A&B when i want to cut down nitrogen slightly in Veg do i just give less of Bottle A?

Why would you want to cut down on nitrogen during veg ? And why do those a and b feeding solutions have so much p and k during growth ? My growth npk ratio is 8-2-2.

TheGreenGroomer · Feb 19, 2024

monkey47 said:
Why would you want to cut down on nitrogen during veg ? And why do those an and b feeding solutions have so much p and k during growth ? My growth npk ratio is 8-2-2.

My bad dude I diddnt mean to say that lmao was meant to say flower and I’m not sure dude I was just recommended to these nutes gonna see how it goes maybe purchase cana nutes next as I’ve heard good stuff about them

TheGreenGroomer · Feb 19, 2024

monkey47 said:
Why would you want to cut down on nitrogen during veg ? And why do those a and b feeding solutions have so much p and k during growth ? My growth npk ratio is 8-2-2.

Bottle A has no p or k just N

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