Just sent an email to Ace Seeds, they are almost neighbours anyway.
And a question.
If THCV is not psychoactive, how come it supposedly is responsable for the trippy effect ?
I can understand a clean, clear, energetic effect but trippy sounds very psychoactive.
I think this could also be what's contributing to the flat boring high with so many of the modern high THC strains. Some of those older strains reported to only have like 12-15% thc punched well above their weight in terms of high...
Already got an answer from ACE.Just sent an email to Ace Seeds, they are almost neighbours anyway.
And a question.
If THCV is not psychoactive, how come it supposedly is responsable for the trippy effect ?
I can understand a clean, clear, energetic effect but trippy sounds very psychoactive.
I really hope this thread doesn't just die off, like so many others, before we manage to find at least some answers.
Already got an answer from ACE.
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And Thcv levels are determined by genetics, not so much by environmental factors as temp and humidity.
Thank you for your interest in our work.Already got an answer from ACE.
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Think cbg is the fun, not thcv.I think this could also be what's contributing to the flat boring high with so many of the modern high THC strains. Some of those older strains reported to only have like 12-15% thc punched well above their weight in terms of high...
You can see my diary for more explanation, but I'll be puttering around with these plants for a while. I love this.Hey Moe, Milson and everyone else in this thread.
I just want to say that I'm really excited about this thread. Like really excited. Lol.
I have never read any threads on thcv that go this in depth and actually include access to a private "lab" and use some sort of actual science to validate claims. Never mind an OP that is so willing to put up cash, time and resources to test various strains, theories and environmental variables!
I really hope this thread doesn't just die off, like so many others, before we manage to find at least some answers.
Please keep up the great work being done guys.
The thcv content is determined by genetics and not ambient factors.
I have the Pakistan Valley seeds. I think their numbers are total bullshit but that's a lot of south african gear.
If you pick through 5 ethiopian moms from Ace, at least one will have the goods. That is my hypothesis.I'm feeling like it will take a stroke of luck to get a good mom out of this endeavor.
If you pick through 5 ethiopian moms from Ace, at least one will have the goods. That is my hypothesis.
I have been daydreaming about a breeding plan. Will be posting when I get to a computer to actually type.
So this is not my primary goal and while it would be interesting in the future it is not what most grabs my attention right now.You wanna go halves and get all 5 and get started on this?
So this is not my primary goal and while it would be interesting in the future it is not what most grabs my attention right now.
Here is my rough idea:
There is some gene or much more likely series of genes that are expressed in a population of lets say Durban Poison that account for the highest percentage of THCV in the cannabinoid mixture.
You grow out a population of let's say 10. Test them all for THCV.
You will have a data set with a min, a max, and a mean. Given that this is an IBL, you should not expect much of a distance above the mean for the population because it should mostly breed true. You take a girl from there. Let's say you get one with 2% THCV on a 20% total cannabinoids or 10% of the cannabinoids are THCV.
You do the same with the Ethiopian. Get that same 2 percent number.
You cross these.
When growing the F1s, I would expect you to find phenotypes with THCV numbers above that 2% number because of hybrid vigor. Here is one discussion of hybrid vigor. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5210733/
However, where the real fun would come in is in the F2 generation. The reason for this is the expression of potential good double recessives along with the genetic material to cover up potential bad double recessive expressions ALONG WITH the potential other vigor factors one finds in hybrid vigor plants.
So you find a unicorn in that F2 generation. THERE IS NO POINT IN GOING BEYOND F2 FOR JUST FINDING ONE SPECIAL PLANT. This is at least according to my understanding.....but the best you will do with those F1 parents will be found in F2 imo and further breeding is for stabilization within the population, not for individual freak plants.
So if you find a freak in your F2 generation, then what?
Then you do this whole song and dance with another two strains (let's say Hawaiian and another South African) and cross two F2 freaks to get hybrid vigor again and see if you can drive it up that way.
The numbers you need to statistically find the perfect freak at the F2 generation get into the 100s very quickly the more genes you assume contribute to THCV.
That is, roughly speaking, I think what one would do.
Now, you may ask, what is my focus then?
More or less, I am doing the same thing, but not focused on one set of genes applying to a cannabinoid so much as effects that fall along three categories: Functional energy (which has serious overlap with THCV I suspect), meditative (this is code for trippy), and narcotic (pain relief/sleep).
Right now, tbh, my interest is on the meditative/trippy side. Hence I am exploring cultivars from Colombia, Malawi, Thailand, Panama, and whichever country Bangi Haze is from (one of the Congos....I do not know how to specify this correctly because I am ignorant). I do expect to find some more functionality as well, especially from the Panamanian and Colombian.
However, in the future I do plan to look for more clear-headed highs. At that point I will be popping Durban Poison from Authentic Genetics (technically by Mel Frank) and that will begin my hunch of where to find THCV. And I will be testing my cultivars throughout, especially with the awesome help you are providing with your posts and videos!
Now, you may ask, what is my focus then?
More or less, I am doing the same thing, but not focused on one set of genes applying to a cannabinoid so much as effects that fall along three categories: Functional energy (which has serious overlap with THCV I suspect), meditative (this is code for trippy), and narcotic (pain relief/sleep).
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