How light spectrum affects nutrient use in plant tissue...

We Solidarity · Mar 2, 2014

Capulator said:
The d paps kick ass. I just fired one up last week.

Hell yeah. If you're using it for veg you'll also see a more rapid and vigorous flip when you go into flower. Three weeks in and I'm seeing less stretch and more stacking...also started using the epaps in flower I'm loving all the new lights

mastagrowa · Mar 28, 2014

We Solidarity said:
Plants need red light to fully metabolize P. I switched to CMH bulbs for veg which give off a more balanced spectrum (lots more red than MH) and am never looking back.

Sorry, what's a CMH bulb? Compact metal halide?

caveman4.20 · Mar 28, 2014

Ceramic base suppose to be not as hot traditional base I guess metal

GoClutch · Apr 15, 2014

Im about to do an experiment comparing various LED fixtures, and one of the things I'm interested in learning is how the various spectrums effect cannabinoid profiles. According to some of the LED companies, their profiles are leading to better profiles by allowing the plants to better absorb their required nutrients. I'm supposed to have access to testing labs for my samples, and I'm going compare the profiles from the lab analysis with their spectrum maps and see what can be learned. Its possible we may learn some solid information about how light spectrum effects cannabinoid levels and nutrient absorption.

GoClutch · Apr 15, 2014

Capulator said:
whats yoru footprint on the 600's? When I ran mine I was running a 3x3 footprint and kept the canopy about 16-18" from the canopy.

I run a very similar setup in my bloom- two long rows of 600W HPS inside of large Adjust-A-Wing hoods, I center each one over a 3x3 flood tray, but allow an extra 6" on all sides of the tray for overgrowth so 1 600/ 4x4 area, 12-18" from canopy

Capulator · Apr 15, 2014

@We Solidarity

So yeah I put some GSC that had tons of red stems from a t-5 to a 315w (same distance same nutes) and the 315w made all the new growth come out bright green and no red petioles.

The t-5 was a 2' x 4' 8 light fixture (500 watts). All the bulbs were that spectra whatever that the fixture comes with.. Very blue/white. No red really.

Again leading me to my belief that GSC loves P, and NEEDS red light to utilize a bunch of it.

Rhyno · Oct 28, 2014

Phosphorus deficiencies can be due to Temperature, Environment, and Magnesium (. Higher elevated leaf temp causes the stomata to close, reducing transpiration, which reduces water usage. This in turn slows growth and phosphorus deficiencies have been seen under this stress. As well as under colder stresses when the soil temp drops below 60deg. the colder temp affects root extension and soil phosphorus uptake- warming tends to help. Now if your plant grows beyond the necessary pot size, it depletes the usable phosphorus in the soil and becomes starved of that basic element, causing a notable deficiency. Magnesium regulates uptake of the other essential elements and serves as a carrier of phosphate compounds throughout the plant, so a phosphorus deficiency will usually follow a Magnesium deficiency (CaMg).

SensiCloud is correct stating that HPS promotes increased Ca and P uptake.

Not sure if this was stated earlier, but medium is important as well. Coco binds with Ca ion.

~Rhyno

caveman4.20 · Oct 28, 2014

Oh shit...^^^^^^ well said

Rhyno · Oct 29, 2014

Thanks Caveman...

juniper · Nov 2, 2014

Placing my canopy way too close to LED cause what appeared to be a localized iron or zinc deficiency. Raising the light instantly cured the problem. Trust me, it wasn't light bleaching, this was a whole different animal.

My belief is that either cell division rates were outstripping the plants ability to uptake certain elements, or, given that my LED unit produces different spectrums of light from individual diodes, and thus must be a certain distance from the plant to "blend" the spectrum, the light was too close and the plant received a very unbalanced light source, possibly affecting nutrient uptake.

I've seen snippets of info dealing with this and LED's but nothing conclusive. I'm certain the same principles would apply to HID light. Though, at too close with HID's I just get bleaching rather than localized deficiency.

Rhyno · Nov 3, 2014

The pics on page 1, I am almost certain is a Ca deficiency. The Ca ion is immobile and will show deficiency closer to the top of the plant. The pics on page 2, show more like a P deficiency.

~Rhyno

john martin · Nov 16, 2014

I mix LED with HPS and the plants directly under HPS yellow faster, while the plants directly under LED seem to stay much greener, BUT...

... the plants directly under the LED: Drink more water, Nug up faster and harder, Yield more, Look, smell, and taste better.

This off course is based on mixed spectrum though, never done LED by itself.

caveman4.20 · Nov 16, 2014

That HPs is definitely helping. LED by itself will not perform aswell

619ster · Nov 16, 2014

Not sure what LED yall are speaking on. But if saying LED in general can't perform as well as hps, I beg to differ.

john martin · Nov 16, 2014

I rock Cali. Lightworks LED, but am also investigating Black Dog.

Cali. Lightworks has impressed me so far.

caveman4.20 · Nov 17, 2014

619ster said:
Not sure what LED yall are speaking on. But if saying LED in general can't perform as well as hps, I beg to differ.

I'm just saying added HPs is helping vs no HPs with led

bagseedwndrs · Nov 17, 2014

john martin said:
I mix LED with HPS and the plants directly under HPS yellow faster, while the plants directly under LED seem to stay much greener, BUT...

... the plants directly under the LED: Drink more water, Nug up faster and harder, Yield more, Look, smell, and taste better.

This off course is based on mixed spectrum though, never done LED by itself.

I ve expierenced this with mixed led and cfl light too. much better quality ganj i think leds by themselfs wouldnt cut it.

Medusa · Jan 13, 2015

Whats your thoughts on taking plants from veg with mh into bloom few weeks with mh ...then switching to hps ...at last weeks of bloom returning to mh ...these are 600 in both bulbs ...I noticed a good stretch at first in bloom ..but compact node spacing ...hps they have bulked up ..at week 7 ... in one more week switch back to mh ....for sure mh is cooler ... my research says this increases frost at the end ...Does anyone have any experience with this method with noticeable results ? Thanks M

altitudefarmer · Jan 13, 2015

Been playing basically with that same schedule, Medusa. I can't say for sure it's noticeably better. They do not stretch as much under my Blue; I really thought it was due to it being somewhat lower PAR than the HPS next to it. The plants in the overlap always look the best, but those under straight HPS yield better. That Blue really brings the frost out early, it seems.
I will post better data when I control the experiment more. Too many variables right now.

Skuna Tuna · Jan 13, 2015

ive been switching bulbs. i run 400w mh first 2 weeks, 600w hps weeks 3-7 and finish with a 400w mh for weeks 8-9 fwiw. i like it everything i see from it. i run perpetual schedules in the same flowering room; by doing this, i also reduce power consumption by 200w for 4 weeks out of 8-9. shit adds up!

How light spectrum affects nutrient use in plant tissue...

How light spectrum affects nutrient use in plant tissue...

We Solidarity

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GoClutch

GoClutch

Capulator

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Rhyno

caveman4.20

Rhyno

juniper

Rhyno

john martin

caveman4.20

619ster

john martin

caveman4.20

bagseedwndrs

Medusa

Trichome Engineer

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Skuna Tuna

How light spectrum affects nutrient use in plant tissue...

How light spectrum affects nutrient use in plant tissue...

We Solidarity

mastagrowa

caveman4.20

GoClutch

GoClutch

Capulator

likes to smell trees.

Rhyno

caveman4.20

Rhyno

juniper

Rhyno

john martin

caveman4.20

619ster

john martin

caveman4.20

bagseedwndrs

Medusa

Trichome Engineer

altitudefarmer

Skuna Tuna

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