I keep getting tastelss, odorless buds!

AzGrOw-N-sMoKe · Jan 6, 2012

You can have tons of air movement during flowering, but with a low rh, warm temps an air blowing directly on buds< at the end of the flowering cycle> you'll "dry" them on stalk.... Az

JayBee · Jan 6, 2012

Oh wow, 8 whole plants! From 3 different commercial mid grade breeders? Then obviously you are an expert! Lol!

Believe it or not, chances of finding a keeper from those 8 seeds is very slim. Elite clones are often found after popping hundreds of seeds. Open your mind and let some info in brother. You want dank herb get you some dank seeds.

AzGrOw-N-sMoKe · Jan 6, 2012

JayBee said:
Oh wow, 8 whole plants! From 3 different commercial mid grade breeders? Then obviously you are an expert! Lol!

Believe it or not, chances of finding a keeper from those 8 seeds is very slim. Elite clones are often found after popping hundreds of seeds. Open your mind and let some info in brother. You want dank herb get you some dank seeds.

Lol, way to get the douche of the night award guy.... first off he was stateing his experence was with different strains an haveing probs with each keeping the funk, if growing conditions arnt correct no strain is going to come out right... second saying that elites come from mostly huge selections is way fuckin wrong too, the chem line was started off 5seeds, several highly sought after ogk cuts were found in 1-2 beans in lbs of chronic, the wifi#3 was found in 10 beans etc etc etc.... third it doesn't take over priced over hyped seeds to grow dank, there's plenty of great genes from great breeders for a great price right here at the farm.... I could go on but its a waste of time but the bottemline is fuck off an have a nice night.... Az

JayBee · Jan 6, 2012

I started by saying he should try some Mota or Chimera gear, two breeders here at the farm that are not too expensive. Not sure what your problem is. He said he is sure the problem is not the beans because he has eight beans from three different breeders. Nirvana, Barney and royal d. I don't know about royal d but I don't think you can expect to find a keeper from those 8 seeds. Nirvana hacks other people's work, sometimes succefully, often not. Barney's seeds also mid grade IMHO, not high chance of finding something awesome.

Basically everyone is giving the OP good advice and he is going through with reasons why each bit of advice does not apply to him and his situation.

What I am saying is you are never going to get super dank buds if you are starting with inferior seeds. No where did I say spend 2000 on seeds. Mota seeds, OGR seeds, top dawg, or free seeds from logic, all a step closer at a very affordable price.

Thanks for giving me the douche award tonight! Much love to you and yours.

JB

TrichromeFan · Jan 6, 2012

OK, I gotta add my 2c as well.

First off, genetics are of utmost importance. You cant polish a turd so to speak. With that said, I have always gotten something half decent in at least one out of five seeds, and even if it is not the top of the genetic food chain, it should still have a smell and flavor. I have grown the Skunk#1 before, and they don't call it skunk for nothing! Now we can debate over OG's and other strains all we want, but you should get something half decent at the least with lesser genetics.

I would definitely take up Logic on his super generous offer to you, as you know that he has some badass genetics in his crosses.

I too have had your problem before. One harvest I ruined a good five pounds worth. I was following that same thread about using a hygrometer and stretching out the drying. I do like the hygrometer in the jar, and the Caliber II is the goods.

The tip that turned it all around for me was to get those buds dry for sure before they are jarred up. Dry them up with good ventilation, and circulation. Drying them shouldn't take more than 5 days. I have had some dry in 3 days that was awesome. Stems should be dry to the point that they snap. Jar them up. Check them in a few hours, and in 24 hours as well. That way, you can see if they are staying dry, or rehydrating from the centers out. Then, once they are for sure dry (under 60% RH), let them cure for two weeks. Then check out your product. I highly recommend this method. At the very least if you don't believe me, try it on a small amount.

Best of luck out there.

-TF

greenops · Jan 7, 2012

JayBee said:
Oh wow, 8 whole plants! From 3 different commercial mid grade breeders? Then obviously you are an expert! Lol!

Believe it or not, chances of finding a keeper from those 8 seeds is very slim. Elite clones are often found after popping hundreds of seeds. Open your mind and let some info in brother. You want dank herb get you some dank seeds.

I've never claimed I'm an expert. I'm just getting frustrated cuz i'm spending all my free time researching and giving my plants all I can offer and I can't get over this hump.

Also I just wasn't aware that chances are so slim as you say. I have followed several grow journals where guys buy feminized seeds from these breeders and apparently they are all satisfied with the final product.

JayBee said:
Nirvana, Barney and royal d. I don't know about royal d but I don't think you can expect to find a keeper from those 8 seeds. Nirvana hacks other people's work, sometimes succefully, often not. Barney's seeds also mid grade IMHO, not high chance of finding something awesome.

Basically everyone is giving the OP good advice and he is going through with reasons why each bit of advice does not apply to him and his situation.

JB

All I know is the guys at my local grow shop that sell the Nirvana seeds all claim they get dank buds out of them and they call my grow a mystery case.

Yes you all give me good advice and I appreciate that. I already heard most of these tips here after my first failed attempt and applied changes to my outdoor, then the 2nd indoor... that's how I can rule some of the issues out.

TrichromeFan said:
The tip that turned it all around for me was to get those buds dry for sure before they are jarred up. Dry them up with good ventilation, and circulation. Drying them shouldn't take more than 5 days. I have had some dry in 3 days that was awesome. Stems should be dry to the point that they snap. Jar them up. Check them in a few hours, and in 24 hours as well. That way, you can see if they are staying dry, or rehydrating from the centers out. Then, once they are for sure dry (under 60% RH), let them cure for two weeks. Then check out your product. I highly recommend this method. At the very least if you don't believe me, try it on a small amount.

Best of luck out there.

-TF

Thanks for the tip TF! Waiting til the stems snap, I did in my first harvest. But maybe the buds just dried too fast cuz it was summer then.
I'm trying what you suggested with the buds I just harvested, they're currently 67% and I keep burping them.

The thing that irritates me is that a lot of growers say the buds should stink all throughout flowering. My buds start to smell at week 6 but then start to lose that odor.... Either something is wrong with my growing conditions and technique or its simply genetics.

BTW, can air quality have an influence? My grow cab is in my bedroom and unfortunately i cant hook up my exhaust or intake directly outside. I just keep the windows open.

Here some bud shots of my last grow, not yet manicured...

putembk · Jan 7, 2012

I'm with greenops there are a couple of things that confuse me. First I know there is a lot of more experienced growers/breeders on this thread than me so if I make a fool of myself and you tell me to go to hell, make me look forward to the trip.

My first question is: when I harvest I hang until the small branches snap, then to sacks/turkey bags until they don't rehydrate for around 30 hours or the bigger branches snap. I then go to jars and slowly burp the jars less and less until It's gone. Where I am confused, I get the feeling most of you are going to jars in a week???? If I went to jars in a week my buds would rehydrate to the point I would have to take them out to dry again.

Next: I get the feeling that some of you are saying the buds should never loose the dank/sticky texture. Some of mine are like that and some are not.
For example my Chemdog smells like straw unitl about 25 days after harvest, however my strawdawg never stops smelling dank.

I know some strains dry faster depending on density and r/h. I just can't imagine jars after one week???
What am I missing?

TrichromeFan · Jan 8, 2012

greenops,
dude, please humor me with this. Your saying that your burping and your jars are at 67% RH? I would throw that back on the drying rack asap! You DONT want to be in the 60's with your RH. It ruins the terpines (the thing that makes the smell). I did the same thing I tell you. Don't worry about drying too fast. Get those suckers dry. Then seal em up. They should be like 58%. Make sure that you are not getting remoistened right away by checking on them in 12 hours. They should be good for a couple of weeks in a jar at that point. I would still check to be safe every few days. They will rehydrate just slightly over the 2 weeks and be perfect.

Remember, Wet = no smell.

-TF

BrianDirt · Jan 8, 2012

I read the thread and surprised no one said to try and change your grow soil, and ferts. If I understand correct you use the same soil and ferts all grows and same things happen with differnt stains so its not the strain. If its skunk its going to stank so just my 2 cents.
Buds look good btw

Whippleschnitz · Jan 8, 2012

Like Dirt mentioned above the soil and nutes used will have almost as big an impact as strain. My partner runs the some of the same plants I do and his always come in with less flavor and aroma than mine. The only real difference is in the soil and nutes used. Also there are some strains that lose flavor the longer they flower. Jillybean for instance can be harvested @ 56 days and have great flavor and aroma. But let it go to 65 days and there is a very noticeable drop in flavor the more the flowers ripen.

I would suggest experimenting with different soil and nutrients on a few plants and compare them to your normal regimen. Whatever Logic decides to send you will undoubtedly provide some great plants as well.

logic · Jan 8, 2012

panic over guys....im getting greenops some free Cheeto Kush out....get ready for some AAA+ dank homie! :harvest:

Sasha · Jan 8, 2012

logic said:
panic over guys....im getting greenops some free Cheeto Kush out....get ready for some AAA+ dank homie! :harvest:

lucky!!! Logic rules

greenops · Jan 8, 2012

TrichromeFan said:
greenops,
dude, please humor me with this. Your saying that your burping and your jars are at 67% RH? I would throw that back on the drying rack asap! You DONT want to be in the 60's with your RH. It ruins the terpines (the thing that makes the smell). I did the same thing I tell you. Don't worry about drying too fast. Get those suckers dry. Then seal em up. They should be like 58%. Make sure that you are not getting remoistened right away by checking on them in 12 hours. They should be good for a couple of weeks in a jar at that point. I would still check to be safe every few days. They will rehydrate just slightly over the 2 weeks and be perfect.

Remember, Wet = no smell.

-TF

I'm following this curing tutorial on ICMAG:

"Jar the product, along with a Caliber III hygrometer. One can be had on Ebay for ~$20. Having tested a number of hygrometers - digital and analog - this model in particular produced consistent, accurate results. Then, watch the readings:

+70% RH - too wet, needs to sit outside the jar to dry for 12-24 hours, depending.

65-70% RH - the product is almost in the cure zone, if you will. It can be slowly brought to optimum RH by opening the lid for 2-4 hours.

60-65% RH - the stems snap, the product feels a bit sticky, and it is curing.

55-60% RH - at this point it can be stored for an extended period (3 months or more) without worrying about mold. The product will continue to cure.

Below 55% RH - the RH is too low for the curing process to take place. The product starts to feel brittle. Once you've hit this point, nothing will make it better. Adding moisture won't restart the curing process; it will just make the product wet. If you measure a RH below 55% don't panic. Read below:

For real man, in my first grow I dried like 2 jars under 60% as some guys have recommended. I did that but the buds got way too dry, they didnt rehydrate anymore. They just got bone dry. I think you get bigger buds than my 250w grow, thats why 67% is still wet to u. If it wasn't for the hygrometer, i would think my buds are already dry as fucc.

BrianDirt said:
I read the thread and surprised no one said to try and change your grow soil, and ferts. If I understand correct you use the same soil and ferts all grows and same things happen with differnt stains so its not the strain. If its skunk its going to stank so just my 2 cents.
Buds look good btw

Yea I thought about that already. I used one brand of soil for the first indoor and then the outdoor. In my 2nd outdoor i used a different brand of soil. Both soils are sold at growshops. Yes I've used the same ferts for all grows, but these ferts are highly recommended around here, the guys at the growshop swear thats not it, because they use the same ferts too. Also if you read my previous posts I mentioned that my outdoor did smell dank during flowering so it really can't be the nute or soil. Its either genetics, or something's wrong with my indoor setup.

greenops · Jan 8, 2012

logic said:
panic over guys....im getting greenops some free Cheeto Kush out....get ready for some AAA+ dank homie! :harvest:

Thank you sir, you dont know how happy I am! :sun
Hope good karma will find you...

dirk d · Jan 8, 2012

simon knows his shit. iv been using his curing method for about 6 months or so and my finished product is superior to anything in quality and pure power. however there is no substitute for experience and time. becoming a master grower takes A LOT of time. dont try and rush anything. keep researching, improving your knowledge, and try and improve your genetic stable.

In my first year of growing i used to try different methods, nutes, trimming, curing, all kinds of shit. nothing like learning from experience. good luck

TrichromeFan · Jan 8, 2012

Yep, that IC mag post was the one that I followed to ruin my harvest.

Best of luck.

-TF

greenops · Jan 22, 2012

here some bud shots of the amnesia lemon. Looks good, high is good. but smell is very mild. doesnt smell like hay tho...

While i'm waiting for the Divine Genetics I'll finish this Kushberry and 2 Fruity Chronic Juice. Currently week two of 12/12...

MTM · Jan 22, 2012

Im running a pheno of white dawg from JJ and it smells very little at 42 days in.I have white fire ,white and tahoes (4 phenos)and all smell but my white dawg.Its got a little over two more weeks until shes finished.Im am a little low on my RH due to being pm paranoid

lazarus718 · Jan 22, 2012

greenops said:
I had two more AK48 plants on my balcony. When I harvested them I made sure that I jar the buds before the stems start to snap. I followed a drying/curing tutorial on the net which involves a hygrometer to determine the curing zone. This batch smells a bit nicer but nowhere near how buds are supposed to smell. I think that time the mistake was that the buds dried too fast (due to high temps).

Where are you drying your buds at? So far I heard a lot of talk about your grow room conditions but nothing about where the plants are being hung up to start the drying process...

Bluenote · Jan 22, 2012

JayBee said:
Logic is right, the problem is your genetics. What you are used to smoking is mostly from clones that are from 1 in a million plants. Most plants from most seeds are not going to have the super dank smell you are used to. Try logics kind offer and see how those go. I was in same boat as you and wasn't till I popped my first ograskal beans a while back that I understood, it's the genetics! Ak 48 or whatever is not gonna cut it. Try a clone from an elite cutting or some super elite seeds and then get back to us!

Good luck and I hope you find what you are looking for

JB

Guess there's no real nice way to say this , while admittedly genetics play a part the vast majority of what you stated within the above is nothing more than a dose of elitist bullshit.

" Ak-48 or whetever" " super elite" ...." elite"........bla blah blah blah blah and the the obligatory " rah rah Og be da BSESTESTS EliiTEEEEST.

Yeah rave on with your bad self ,....yup JayBee The Guru of Ganja , Dr. of Dank , His Honor of Herb.

You will pardon me though if I exercise selective deafness where you're concerned won't you? I think my hearing is being affected by those horrible genetics creating the miasma of FUNK rolling off a buncha AK-47 and AK-48 must be my imagination though , I mean it's not " OG" and I din't get it from JayBeeGanjaGod and those genetics are worse even than bag seed.

Golly gee whiz I learned a lot from you JayBee , thank you......seriously. I mean . really.............seriously.

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