I need Advice- Were being Evicted from our Apartment....

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Alright, ill keep this as brief as possible.

June 23rd I filed a complaint with Maint. because our AC hadnt been cooling our apartment ever since it started getting hot.

Next day, some guy from the apartment complex comes, does some work on the AC, and then later that night I am woken up by the smell of smoke and plastic, turns out whatever he did had caused the AC unit motor in the attic to catch fire.

So they gave us a Portable AC (we have a 7month old infant child) to cool the house. It wouldnt work at all. The house stayed at 97 degrees all day until night time when it would drop to 90. Later we found out that the Portable AC had been improperly installed and that is why it wasnt working right but we did not know that at the time. So we were forced to go to a hotel.

The "fixed" it but then the next day while doing laundry we realize a leak from the ceiling. The unit is still only going down to 78-79 (which is livable for sure) but is leaking 5-10 gallons of water per day from the ceiling. We are constantly switching out towels and emptying the 5-gal bucket of water...

July 1st came around and the Unit still has not been fixed. Today is July 7th, and it is still not fixed. Each time the professional company has come out, they have told us that they have been here for the AC unit for the last 2 tenets also and that they have now recommended 2 times for a completely new AC system to be installed.

Yesterday we were served with 5-day written notice to either Pay or Vacate. We have already begun our search for another place but with us working that makes it difficult to allocate time to viewing apartments. My understanding of the process is the next step will be for the judge to set a date for a hearing and for both parties to then have the opportunity to tell their side of the story.

So my question is; What would you do in my situation. Stand your ground and move out. Go to the hearing and paint the out to be the slumlord that they are, or Just pay the rent + late fees and everything else, live here 2 more months and then move out when the lease is over.

Additionally, when the water all began leaking from the ceiling, we had a brand new twin mattress ruined. A nice 350W CMH Horticulture light which was in a box in that room.

We feel all this began and has happened because their employee did work to the AC unit which resulted in a fire and all these additional problems and damages.... not to mention the emotional distress it causes a family with an infant to have to scramble to find a new apartment or potential homelessness....

Before we withheld rent, we offered many forms of assistance that would have been sufficient such as paying for the 1 night + 1 day we had to spend in the hotel when the house was at 97 degrees, offered assistance with electric bill since we have now been running portable AC for 18-hours a day which has more than doubled our energy consumption, or to even just pro-rate the few days the place was "inhabitable," and remove that from our bill... our company was super rude and told us to kick rocks essentially. Word for word they said their company policy was to provide 1 portable AC in this situation and that was all they could do.

We informed them of our 8month old son and the danger to his health. They did not give a fuck.

So again, I appreciate anyone who read this....

What would you do in my shoes?
 
mysticepipedon

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Obviously, you need to get out of there.

I'd also get as much evidence as possible for all the events that took place, including pictures of all damage, and see if a lawyer would sue the landlord for you, payment contingent on winning the case.

I am NOT a lawyer, but I think we all know just because an injustice was done doesn't mean you'll get satisfaction.
 
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I am definitely keeping pictures of and documenting everything in like a day-by-day log.

I was able to talk to the managing company's regional manager today for a little bit via email. Nothing has been accomplished and I am not very optimistic either. This entire company seems to look at their tenants more like slaves than paying customers.

But I guess when the housing market is as hot as it is and affordable apartments are in extremely high demand, they can do whatever the fuck they want.
 
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advice, fix the leak in your condensation pipe,get a couple fans and or get a better portable AC
 
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Im not an HVAC specialist nor am I certified/ authorized to perform any work on a leased property.

The issue was finally fixed. They put in a completely new AC system including new lines. But it took 3 weeks of dealing with their bullshit.

Looks like we are set for a court date.
 
Oldman13

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Alright, ill keep this as brief as possible.

June 23rd I filed a complaint with Maint. because our AC hadnt been cooling our apartment ever since it started getting hot.

Next day, some guy from the apartment complex comes, does some work on the AC, and then later that night I am woken up by the smell of smoke and plastic, turns out whatever he did had caused the AC unit motor in the attic to catch fire.

So they gave us a Portable AC (we have a 7month old infant child) to cool the house. It wouldnt work at all. The house stayed at 97 degrees all day until night time when it would drop to 90. Later we found out that the Portable AC had been improperly installed and that is why it wasnt working right but we did not know that at the time. So we were forced to go to a hotel.

The "fixed" it but then the next day while doing laundry we realize a leak from the ceiling. The unit is still only going down to 78-79 (which is livable for sure) but is leaking 5-10 gallons of water per day from the ceiling. We are constantly switching out towels and emptying the 5-gal bucket of water...

July 1st came around and the Unit still has not been fixed. Today is July 7th, and it is still not fixed. Each time the professional company has come out, they have told us that they have been here for the AC unit for the last 2 tenets also and that they have now recommended 2 times for a completely new AC system to be installed.

Yesterday we were served with 5-day written notice to either Pay or Vacate. We have already begun our search for another place but with us working that makes it difficult to allocate time to viewing apartments. My understanding of the process is the next step will be for the judge to set a date for a hearing and for both parties to then have the opportunity to tell their side of the story.

So my question is; What would you do in my situation. Stand your ground and move out. Go to the hearing and paint the out to be the slumlord that they are, or Just pay the rent + late fees and everything else, live here 2 more months and then move out when the lease is over.

Additionally, when the water all began leaking from the ceiling, we had a brand new twin mattress ruined. A nice 350W CMH Horticulture light which was in a box in that room.

We feel all this began and has happened because their employee did work to the AC unit which resulted in a fire and all these additional problems and damages.... not to mention the emotional distress it causes a family with an infant to have to scramble to find a new apartment or potential homelessness....

Before we withheld rent, we offered many forms of assistance that would have been sufficient such as paying for the 1 night + 1 day we had to spend in the hotel when the house was at 97 degrees, offered assistance with electric bill since we have now been running portable AC for 18-hours a day which has more than doubled our energy consumption, or to even just pro-rate the few days the place was "inhabitable," and remove that from our bill... our company was super rude and told us to kick rocks essentially. Word for word they said their company policy was to provide 1 portable AC in this situation and that was all they could do.

We informed them of our 8month old son and the danger to his health. They did not give a fuck.

So again, I appreciate anyone who read this....

What would you do in my shoes?
Seriously dude you don't want to know what I would do I oh, I know who they are and I know where they live... this is where I say no more about what I would do 333 sorry for your terrible problems I would normally say enjoy what you can and forget about the rest , I can guarantee it won't last long ... But it may not apply here Mission Point! But please do yourself a favor and stay out of trouble he's not worth👴 keep cool dude👤😎😇
 
tobh

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PM companies tend to have lawyers on staff, and with an infant child, the stress of courts + costs + an infant is a terrible recipe. Unfortunately, you're between a rock and hard place. If you fight, you're likely to incur absurdly high costs without any justice rendered. AND likely to still end up with a late/no payment on your credit and a poor reference in your rental history. You'll end up suffering for years and it won't matter two shits to the PM company. If you win the fight, you're no better off. If no one ended up sick/injured, a judge likely won't award damages. You could try to drag in the media, but since the problem is fixed now, it's a non-issue headline. Your best bet is drop the court date, suck it up for two months, and gtfo. Hopefully they'll just say you paid your rent on time and were a decent tenant. Leave the place spotless as you can.
 
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Thanks for the advice

I agree we are likely in an uphill battle but we are going to see it through. We sign a new lease for a bigger place in a couple days and will be able to move the following weekend. I am not sure how quickly the Eviction Courts are moving but I cant see us getting a court date for prior to August, so in all likelihood we will have finished moving out before we have our court appearance for the "Eviction,"

We are going to claim that the landlord violated the lease when they did not fix the AC for 3 weeks. In Arizona the landlord has 5 days after receiving written notice about a Material Non-Compliance with Lease and if the issue is not fixed, the tenant has the right to terminate the lease agreement. That is what we will be arguing at least, that the problem began June 23rd (We are in month 9 of our 12 month lease and have always paid rent on time) and when July 1st came and the issue had not been fixed, we decided to dissolve the lease and move out. The issue ended up being fixed but not until July 13th-14th.....

So hopefully a judge rules in our favor in that regard. Agrees that we were within our rights to terminate the lease and move-out.

I think if the PM is going to want to get money for the broken lease they would need to pursue a separate civil claim for breach of contract, but I have never gone through this process before so I am not sure. It is at this time, if they do pursue and try to collect for July rent and/or August and September, we plan to counter and bring up all our damages, stress, hotel costs, etc.... might even be able to hit them with the costs of moving to a new apartment with working AC.

At this point, if they are willing to let us just leave at the end of the month and cancel our lease then we would be satisfied I think.
 
tobh

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Thanks for the advice

I agree we are likely in an uphill battle but we are going to see it through. We sign a new lease for a bigger place in a couple days and will be able to move the following weekend. I am not sure how quickly the Eviction Courts are moving but I cant see us getting a court date for prior to August, so in all likelihood we will have finished moving out before we have our court appearance for the "Eviction,"

We are going to claim that the landlord violated the lease when they did not fix the AC for 3 weeks. In Arizona the landlord has 5 days after receiving written notice about a Material Non-Compliance with Lease and if the issue is not fixed, the tenant has the right to terminate the lease agreement. That is what we will be arguing at least, that the problem began June 23rd (We are in month 9 of our 12 month lease and have always paid rent on time) and when July 1st came and the issue had not been fixed, we decided to dissolve the lease and move out. The issue ended up being fixed but not until July 13th-14th.....

So hopefully a judge rules in our favor in that regard. Agrees that we were within our rights to terminate the lease and move-out.

I think if the PM is going to want to get money for the broken lease they would need to pursue a separate civil claim for breach of contract, but I have never gone through this process before so I am not sure. It is at this time, if they do pursue and try to collect for July rent and/or August and September, we plan to counter and bring up all our damages, stress, hotel costs, etc.... might even be able to hit them with the costs of moving to a new apartment with working AC.

At this point, if they are willing to let us just leave at the end of the month and cancel our lease then we would be satisfied I think.
I'd be careful citing laws unless you and your cohabitant (obviously not the infant) are legally versed, ie law school learned. However, AZ is unique in their inhabitant laws given the insane heat down there. I lived in Phoenix for a while and the laws are... interesting, so you likely are the better side of a bad situation. Taking it to civil is worst case scenario, been there done that (with a PHX based PM co.). Again, their legal team will drag it out, delay, etc. You'll end up footing the bill on fees and out a bunch of money for nothing. Best case they drop the case and you best walk away bitter and knowing you'll never deal with them again.

Glad to hear you are on your way out. Just keep a cool head, even if it's sweaty. And take your shoes off before walking inside, tracking asphalt inside is uncouth.
 
Ddebrazza

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That is a pretty ignorant thing to say, "dont cite law unless youve attended law school." but I will forgive you as I know many people who do profess to know legal information but are often inaccurate or misinformed. We all say dumb shit sometimes.

In our case the law is AZ Statute ARS 33-1361(A) which requires landlords to maintain the residence in "habitable condition and reasonable repair." The fact that we have an infant living in the house also adds to the issues of safety. In Arizona if the landlord does not correct the issues within 5 days it allows for the tenant to take corrective action, up-to and including termination of lease, lawyers fees, and costs of obtaining alternative shelter. So technically we could counter sue for the cost of moving and everything else we have incurred. At least this is my understanding of the law.

We will not have any legal fees because we do not plan on hiring an attorney. Dragging it out makes no difference to us at all. Again, we sign a new lease tomorrow and will be 90% moved out by the end of next weekend.

I am sure a court date will be coming in the mail soon but at least we will have a new lease signed before that happens.

This process is definitely causing a lot of stress and anxiety for me and for my wife. She is taking it worse than me since I have been through similar situations and I have been homeless before, she hasnt. So I will be happy when this is all behind us. I will update this thread occasionally for anyone interested on how the whole situation ends up playing out.
 
Flexnerb

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Alright, ill keep this as brief as possible.

June 23rd I filed a complaint with Maint. because our AC hadnt been cooling our apartment ever since it started getting hot.

Next day, some guy from the apartment complex comes, does some work on the AC, and then later that night I am woken up by the smell of smoke and plastic, turns out whatever he did had caused the AC unit motor in the attic to catch fire.

So they gave us a Portable AC (we have a 7month old infant child) to cool the house. It wouldnt work at all. The house stayed at 97 degrees all day until night time when it would drop to 90. Later we found out that the Portable AC had been improperly installed and that is why it wasnt working right but we did not know that at the time. So we were forced to go to a hotel.

The "fixed" it but then the next day while doing laundry we realize a leak from the ceiling. The unit is still only going down to 78-79 (which is livable for sure) but is leaking 5-10 gallons of water per day from the ceiling. We are constantly switching out towels and emptying the 5-gal bucket of water...

July 1st came around and the Unit still has not been fixed. Today is July 7th, and it is still not fixed. Each time the professional company has come out, they have told us that they have been here for the AC unit for the last 2 tenets also and that they have now recommended 2 times for a completely new AC system to be installed.

Yesterday we were served with 5-day written notice to either Pay or Vacate. We have already begun our search for another place but with us working that makes it difficult to allocate time to viewing apartments. My understanding of the process is the next step will be for the judge to set a date for a hearing and for both parties to then have the opportunity to tell their side of the story.

So my question is; What would you do in my situation. Stand your ground and move out. Go to the hearing and paint the out to be the slumlord that they are, or Just pay the rent + late fees and everything else, live here 2 more months and then move out when the lease is over.

Additionally, when the water all began leaking from the ceiling, we had a brand new twin mattress ruined. A nice 350W CMH Horticulture light which was in a box in that room.

We feel all this began and has happened because their employee did work to the AC unit which resulted in a fire and all these additional problems and damages.... not to mention the emotional distress it causes a family with an infant to have to scramble to find a new apartment or potential homelessness....

Before we withheld rent, we offered many forms of assistance that would have been sufficient such as paying for the 1 night + 1 day we had to spend in the hotel when the house was at 97 degrees, offered assistance with electric bill since we have now been running portable AC for 18-hours a day which has more than doubled our energy consumption, or to even just pro-rate the few days the place was "inhabitable," and remove that from our bill... our company was super rude and told us to kick rocks essentially. Word for word they said their company policy was to provide 1 portable AC in this situation and that was all they could do.

We informed them of our 8month old son and the danger to his health. They did not give a fuck.

So again, I appreciate anyone who read this....

What would you do in my shoes?
Dont know your laws but some states allow you to put rent into escrow with the county(gotta go to court first) after petitioning the court for the landlord to fix it. He doesnt you walk away rebt free and the money. I think this is to help tge tenant get a new place with that money..
 
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Interesting. I have not heard of this

We signed a lease for our new place this morning and payed rent for end of July and August. We get the keys and move-in next weekend

Still got to deal with this mess though. We will take it as it comes I suppose. Hopefully nothing crazy happens during this last week.
 
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Dont know your laws but some states allow you to put rent into escrow with the county(gotta go to court first) after petitioning the court for the landlord to fix it. He doesnt you walk away rebt free and the money. I think this is to help tge tenant get a new place with that money..
Then you guys don't realize this or not but for the last couple of years there's been a block on being evicted from any apartment or housing complex due to the not completely but mostly hoaxed " flu" conveniently created pandemic 33 which was originally SARS and then had been mutated into flu which is now call flu dash – – Mexico probably had something against naming it flu due to the fact Corona beer is there most precious resource besides tequila and mezcal... but I was not trying to get anybody into a discussion over politics, religion, or sexuality they all seem to turn the best of friends in the worst of enemies! I was only saying maybe it was illegal for them to evict you at this point in time!? Due to this supposed virus that actuality only killed 5% of the overall amount reported by hospitals and doctors in order for them to collect much much larger fee on victims of flu! - - - - - but if you've already pulled out I doubt if you'll be able to get compensated or anything done maybe you can get your first and last months rent back anyway the warden was once a apartment manager in California she reminded me about the no can do evictions in the United States when I mentioned you were asking for advice ? Anyway enjoy what you can, then try to do the near impossible and forget about the rest! But hopefully in a long run of things everything works out for the best for you and your family:-) :-) May there be white angel with gold-tipped wings floating above you at all times through the rough and the thin... oh yeah I left one out – – that was politics religion sexuality and marriage 4 no-nos to talk about unless you want to make dear dear friends and family your worst enemies from that point on! Do all a good night, and a good night to all topped off with a big fatty, bong load,, bowl of hash and of course a extra big kowabunga😇😎👤👴💥💨😊👍
 
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I love the way these cell phones these days change just enough of what you say you make it sound as if you said something else- - - I did not say( flu) no I did not I said(( flu)) so replace the word (flu) with ((((flu)))) when you see it😣😔😐😇
 
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I love the way these cell phones these days change just enough of what you say you make it sound as if you said something else- - - I did not say( flu) no I did not I said(( flu)) so replace the word (flu) with ((((flu)))) when you see it😣😔😐😇
 
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Okay I don't know what's going on I feel like I'm back in the Twilight Zone oh, I don't even know if any of that went through but if it did was a very good example in front of you of what I just said about these damn stupid smart phones they all need to go back to College and severely punished by the dean,,,.. all right I'm clocking out apparently somebody's watching and my phone is at 12% good night everybody I said enjoy what you can and if possible forget about the rest... on the signpost up ahead it says you are entering the (((((((Twilight Zone)))))))
 
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Then you guys don't realize this or not but for the last couple of years there's been a block on being evicted from any apartment or housing complex due to the not completely but mostly hoaxed " flu" conveniently created pandemic 33 which was originally SARS and then had been mutated into flu which is now call flu dash – – Mexico probably had something against naming it flu due to the fact Corona beer is there most precious resource besides tequila and mezcal... but I was not trying to get anybody into a discussion over politics, religion, or sexuality they all seem to turn the best of friends in the worst of enemies! I was only saying maybe it was illegal for them to evict you at this point in time!? Due to this supposed virus that actuality only killed 5% of the overall amount reported by hospitals and doctors in order for them to collect much much larger fee on victims of flu! - - - - - but if you've already pulled out I doubt if you'll be able to get compensated or anything done maybe you can get your first and last months rent back anyway the warden was once a apartment manager in California she reminded me about the no can do evictions in the United States when I mentioned you were asking for advice ? Anyway enjoy what you can, then try to do the near impossible and forget about the rest! But hopefully in a long run of things everything works out for the best for you and your family:-) :-) May there be white angel with gold-tipped wings floating above you at all times through the rough and the thin... oh yeah I left one out – – that was politics religion sexuality and marriage 4 no-nos to talk about unless you want to make dear dear friends and family your worst enemies from that point on! Do all a good night, and a good night to all topped off with a big fatty, bong load,, bowl of hash and of course a extra big kowabunga😇😎

why is this crap on here?...go back under your rock
 
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why is this crap on here?...go back under your rock
I could be wrong and if I am I really don't have a problem with being wrong but I think you're talking too me? I really tried to go back under my rock but not because you told me 2 it's just that it's a very cool and comfortable place to be
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but as you can see with your own eyes somebody else took it over when I left this morning! So it was a very cool and comfortable place to be but not anymore! The crap you're referring to that was put on here, if it's the same crap I'm thinking it is and you would have read it was specifically stated it's not up for discussion !!! the only reason the crap was put on here , if it is the same crap and I'm pretty sure it is the same crap because it is crap just like you said it is crap ! But be honest crap is far to nice a word for it!. But only because you asked, the only reason the crappiest crap of all was put on here for the fact that somebody was being evicted at a time when it is supposed to be illegal to evict anybody in the United States from any rental home due to this crap and yes because you asked we are still talking about the crap when we shouldn't be and if I hadn't seen that he had already moved out crap would had never hit the thcfarmer fan but if it was a chance of him not losing his home and his wife and little girl I believe throw out into the street and he didn't know about being illegal to evict him it if the law is still in force? And it would help him keep this family safe and out of the elements under a roof then he should check into it with whomever he was checking with to begin with !... So because you asked not because I wanted to come back here and discuss this crap with anybody at all here or anywhere else ... so now you have received your answer that you probably didn't really want on why the crap is here in first place. I can guarantee you this I'll never bring this particular crap up again... even if I specifically state is not up for discussion.... Alright have a nice evening enjoy what you can forget about the rest ... now I have to go to find me a new Rock to live under 33. take it easy man sorry for upsetting you in such a nice place ! , never meant to be that way at all it was only to help someone if it could! Good by now
 
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Then you guys don't realize this or not but for the last couple of years there's been a block on being evicted from any apartment or housing complex due to the not completely but mostly hoaxed " flu" conveniently created pandemic 33 which was originally SARS and then had been mutated into flu which is now call flu dash – – Mexico probably had something against naming it flu due to the fact Corona beer is there most precious resource besides tequila and mezcal... but I was not trying to get anybody into a discussion over politics, religion, or sexuality they all seem to turn the best of friends in the worst of enemies! I was only saying maybe it was illegal for them to evict you at this point in time!? Due to this supposed virus that actuality only killed 5% of the overall amount reported by hospitals and doctors in order for them to collect much much larger fee on victims of flu! - - - - - but if you've already pulled out I doubt if you'll be able to get compensated or anything done maybe you can get your first and last months rent back anyway the warden was once a apartment manager in California she reminded me about the no can do evictions in the United States when I mentioned you were asking for advice ? Anyway enjoy what you can, then try to do the near impossible and forget about the rest! But hopefully in a long run of things everything works out for the best for you and your family:-) :-) May there be white angel with gold-tipped wings floating above you at all times through the rough and the thin... oh yeah I left one out – – that was politics religion sexuality and marriage 4 no-nos to talk about unless you want to make dear dear friends and family your worst enemies from that point on! Do all a good night, and a good night to all topped off with a big fatty, bong load,, bowl of hash and of course a extra big kowabunga😇😎👤👴💥💨😊👍
You must be a trumper, I’m not sure if you realize or not but it’s the republicans who keep blocking cannabis legalization. I’m Kansas our governor who’s a dem keeps getting blocked by our house which is controlled by republicans. Or maybe your one of those q anon weirdos. Just keep your opinions about politics out of cannabis boards
 
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You must be a trumper, I’m not sure if you realize or not but it’s the republicans who keep blocking cannabis legalization. I’m Kansas our governor who’s a dem keeps getting blocked by our house which is controlled by republicans. Or maybe your one of those q anon weirdos. Just keep your opinions about politics out of cannabis boards
number one now if you have to use two hands to get to this number that's not my problem ! But I never once said with my political agenda was! Number to I hope you don't have to take your socks off to get 2 this number but I specifically more than once now dash – – maybe you should open your eyes if you can't see in order to read this – I hope they're open because apparently they weren't earlier! I said I wasn't opening what I said up for discussion it is only maybe quite possibly i n a millionth of a chance it might help somebody if the law was still in effect and they did not know it was illegal to evict anybody for a few years in the United States!!- - - - hell I even quoted the four do not discuss policies that almost most certainly will destroy any family and any friendship that might have been or has been for many years it will dissolve right before your very eyes! Now do you or do you not understand that??? I have no intention in discussing the political agenda here or telling you what my political agenda is! If I even have one? I'm also not going to tell you what I listen to ! But I can see you on the other hand don't seem to have a problem telling people that you know absolutely nothing about what their political agendas are and automatically pull assume card right out of your ass ! I bet you are really proud of yourself , maybe you should videotape yourself dancing a little jig for everybody now... and as for who or whom is blocking, or at least has been blocking any possibility until now medical and industrial uses of cannabis ever since prohibition Act it's most likely a good buddy of yours – – I'm sure you've heard of them and probably donate to them–– again up until most recently and for all I know they showed up now as well, but they most definitely showed up at every single option marijuana or cannabis on the books for industrial and medical uses and when the question was asked do we want to legalize and not criticize cannabis / hemp. And as an answer was being waiting for a voice comes out of the crowd dash dash – and it said in these very words do you really want killer weed from Mexico to be legal? Those words were spoken during the probation Act of relegalization ! Whether you know it or not everything prior to probation was legal. Again when it was brought up again to be legalized 30 years later the same people showed up again, possibly maybe even the same guy? Your name of that gargantuan big money business and polluter of America and the world is none other than... (((((( Dupont chemicals ))))))) and again 10 years later they did the same thing! 2 find out that it was major reasons like... They had just come out with a new acid watch 4 making high quality paper... cannabis hemp needs no acid wash it's already designed to make high-quality paper without poisoning our water supply and crops with acid rain! You can also make super high-quality resins and paints with cannabis hemp. Apparently Dupont is also into making drugs Pharmaceuticals gee I wonder why giant money making business like that would not want killer weed from Mexico to be legal?! Did you know you can make I beams beams stronger than steel with hemp no I'm pretty sure you probably didn't know that either! And personally I don't think recreational marijuana should have been legalized yet because what you going to start seeing next is something you've never seen before it's never happened yet but it will now- - - that's cancer from marijuana because of all the pesticides these money-grubbing idiots that can't do anything except public your recreational marijuana full of pesticides and chemicals Oh They'll use labels like organic products from DuPont, organic my ass! So when new statistics come out people are getting sick like they've never been sick for from smoking marijuana you can thank your governor because they legalized unregulated recreational marijuana and you think they did it for your recreational benefits... LOL well you better think again it was for taxes buddy enormous tax bill did you get a crap about your recreational agenda habits unless they are getting taxes for it... I can't believe you think they did it for you because of your buddies anyone that makes you happy 333 medical marijuana is regulated and not text that's why they don't like medical marijuana I have to go under strict procedures before you can smoke it, or at least it's supposed to there's always an exception to the rule especially when money is involved 33 most likely is number of typos in that but I'm not about to go back and correct them for you mister assume do you know when you assume you making an ass out of you and me? – – –ass\u\me – – you probably can't see that either huh open your damn eyes then go talk to somebody else about your political agendas not to me I don't want to hear them... as for anybody else that has to read this I sincerely apologize for all of what I said 2 somebody that was being evicted it had no political agenda to it I'm sorry if anybody took it that way they should not have I specifically stated is not a discussion I didn't expect it to turn into such a idiotic assumption bye people that don't know a damn thing about other people but have to open their mouth anyway and voice their opinions upon them.. Again I'm very sorry it won't happen again at least from me... And remember I think you called yourself a Democrat I did not attack you and you had no right to attack me! And you also have no idea about anything I do or listen to maybe you should permabond your fingers and lips together
 

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