Indoor/Happy Frog: Fungus Alternaria Maybe

[C0pperh3ad]

Ok, good morning, here is the update to what was done and the way forward.
- fungus nats: when the feed reproduce etc they do bring a fungus but not the fungus I was talking about.
- Black spots: is a fungus, it is more noticeable on tomatoes when the fruits turn with black spots
- @Gmix had mentioned there was no issue, I had to believe him and research further. (By research i mean stare at them) and figgure out what i saw and how it got there.

- first, took the neem cake in powder form and scratched in 3 tablespoons spoons per 3gal cloth pot into the soil. It was still kind of moist from the weekly watering so just left it alone , didn’t water it in since soil was a still moist. Replaced sticky traps. The neem oil spray is a 3-1 for insects fungus and miticide so i gave the foliage on both plants a trial misting to set up the spray. Don’t want to use the stream option.
Results were excellent, still have one or two buzzing around but they will soon meet their demise.
Next , at the next watering they will get another scratch of cake each followed by the MOSQ BITS (might not need) the following week. That should do the trick, after that followed up with the LALstop K61, @cooperhead posted here the LALstop G46 i think both are good.
Since I don’t plan on smoking leaf not really worried about spraying foliage and will stop long before going into flower. By then the LALstop K61 will be ready to use and will consider the flower flip.
Question here is has anyone ever used LALstop k61 and how where the results.

Black Spots: For the leafs, as they unwind and grow they grow clumped and cramped, I guess that will soon fade or not happen again. As other leaves grow and rest on others they create touching shadowing maybe create an environment for fungus when they touch like that.

What was done: remove the effective foliage and discard.
Monitor the issue, if it returns use the 3–1 CPT Jacks neem oil spray.
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Next issue:
A little tan-ish on the tips and and blistering “Baby Yoda”.. made the correction since it only happened when i added the extra hose for the heater over night, might have been pointed at the oscillating fan. Enclosed are some pics to illustrate how the plant might be doing. Might also be its chowing down a little faster than anticipated.
PAR roughly 600
Height roughly 12”

OG K: doing great, nice green leaf, needs another 2 sites per, no concerns at this time. (No pics)

Would like to start watering from the bottom with a tray or saucer, I’ve seen the auto pots with the wick and I’m not feeling the roots attaching to the wick its self. Then elevate as to get air underneath. Not sure what they are called otherwise I’m gonna have to home rig.

Thanks for all the input, thanks for reading
BB

I use both lalstops,46 and 61, mostly as a soil drench as a preventative. I couldn't tell you which one is better, I've always used them together. We've also used it to hold back a fusarium outbreak from occuring long enough to get a decent yield. It doesn't kill it outright, but does suppress it. Fusarium is almost impossible to eradicate. Not saying you have fusarium, just an example of it's effectiveness.

 

[BeefyBully]

I use both lalstops,46 and 61, mostly as a soil drench as a preventative. I couldn't tell you which one is better, I've always used them together. We've also used it to hold back a fusarium outbreak from occuring long enough to get a decent yield. It doesn't kill it outright, but does suppress it. Fusarium is almost impossible to eradicate. Not saying you have fusarium, just an example of it's effectiveness.

Fusarium …? Interesting

Ok , lets do this.. i know the issues are coming one already made an introduction. I don’t want to get ahead of myself going into flower.

The flip/the stretch:
Once i go into flower is there any steps i need to do to deal with these pests, like before switching into flower so it has a fighting chance all the way to the end.?
That’s why I’m happy to have heard of this product prepping to take the LALstop in a few weeks since I didn’t have some at the beginning, I’ll have to scratch it in.

By drench do you mean water ? Im gonna start watering from the bottom and I’m wondering what about the nutrients that got scratched in as top dressing? Is that all you use or do you have lots and use as needed?

Enclosed is a leaf that had same looking issues, its very small and really young so I believe its what i saw and was self induced and might of been stressed..

BB

 

[Gmix]

I can’t comment on the pic “like” yours

Kinda wish you hadn’t cut off what you did then I might have a better idea

The pic above just shows normal growth for a plant getting lst-ed

As for the neem oil
Yes you add it to water it’s highly concentrated & should be watered down

You might be better off watering normally as you’ve top dressed.

What do mean by “ Is that all you use or do you have lots and use as needed “

Are you talking about food ?
If so what did you top dress with

 

[BeefyBully]

I can’t comment on the pic “like” yours

Kinda wish you hadn’t cut off what you did then I might have a better idea

The pic above just shows normal growth for a plant getting lst-ed

As for the neem oil
Yes you add it to water it’s highly concentrated & should be watered down

You might be better off watering normally as you’ve top dressed.

What do mean by “ Is that all you use or do you have lots and use as needed “

Are you talking about food ?
If so what did you top dress with

Ok first I want to thank you for nocking me back straight ahead of time. It seems as kids and growing up its the one thing I never done is grow canabis and now that I’m doing it, well lets just say i have a lot of questions. Just like the unplanned germination and grow set up, its been “ Oh snap i need this now HURRY” ..non-stop.

Nutrients: the only thing I’m using that has gotten me this far is the Terp Tea Grow and the Bloom is on stand by. Neem cake powder was added to the soil, it has some NPK as well.
So far thats the only thing it has. Everything has been top dressed to this point, nothing has ever been
“soil built”

Normal growth: yea just like you said how it looks normal and it’s from the LST, yes I think I had a heavy hand while pulling and tugging on leaf… yes it was my own doing. What I need is how to train better. When I pinch to bend, dudes make it look easy..

Neem Oil: Not actually using it, its on stand by should I get freaked out again..lol
The cake is what was needed and did the trick. I just top dressed it like everything else. And opted to water later after I get some saucers for the top watering (still haven’t watered yet, gonna let it dry some more)

All that is used: I guess my question is..

I have never grown flowers before, when I found out all you had to do to switch to flower is change the light cycle I was intrigued, when I found out there’s a stretch.. DUDE!… even more

So this is what I think.

Before going into flower:
I think all the pests need to be eradicated before going into flower so as to give a fighting chance and not have to react to pest while in flower.
The last thing I want to do is spray/use anything on any type of growing buds. I understand that all pest will never be eradicated. That’s why when someone said Lalstop read some stuff about it , seen some videos and I like it and its just what I need
(just need to find out how it effects the fruit which in our case flower) before moving on.

So my question here is what do you use while in flower before or during should any issues arise. Or do you react when an issue comes up..?
Because if your automation settings are spot on and all you need is practice then the only thing left is the IPM

Was reading on here and apparently there’s a water guy on here. Is he the SME ?
Is there an IPM guy on here ?

Thanks again
Sorry it was just a scare
BB

 

[Gmix]

No problems if I helped in anyway that’s good news.

I only come here as I love help folks grow their own & not have to rely on doggie Dave & he’s chemical Induced high
Albeit I do come here for the social aspect

growing your own is so much better & tastier

Every you say sounds good spraying in flower is to be avoided at all costs.

Personally the few times I had bugs I used nematodes for the gnats & predator mites when I once got spider mites & eliminated the problem that caused the infection

In my case the gnats from next doors I found a way to close that window.
I also got spider mites because I let the hydro shop guy in my room ; he insisted on wearing on yellow hi viz shirt & bugs are attracted to yellow & as well as visiting lots of grows he couldn’t grow for love nor money & always had bugs witch I found out after the fact

I’m all out organic so I would deal with bugs via there predators

Ever since I eliminated the two factors him & the window I haven’t got bugs

I don’t run a preventative program as such I do follow a preventative approach as do most.

That’s not letting folks visit your grow room
Don’t let pets in the grow room
If you want to work outside especially in the garden change clothes & have a shower before you look in on your plants

For fungi don’t let your humidity go over 65%
at 70% it can take hold & make sure you’ve plenty air flow

Seedlings prefer a high humidity & you can run it higher till they germinate & root however.

It’s mainly in flower you could get fungi from high humidity also don’t leave dead leaves around & keep your grow clean

Just run a good approach & you shouldn’t get bugs in the first place

 

[C0pperh3ad]

The lalstops are not for pests. They fight off bacterial and fungal infections. Maybe viral, but don't quote me on that. For soil pest issues during flower, I agree with @Gmix, nematodes are the way to go. I use both rt at beginning of transition and generally have no issues to have to deal with later on. Hope that clarifies.

 

[BeefyBully]

No problems if I helped in anyway that’s good news.

I only come here as I love help folks grow their own & not have to rely on doggie Dave & he’s chemical Induced high
Albeit I do come here for the social aspect

growing your own is so much better & tastier

Every you say sounds good spraying in flower is to be avoided at all costs.

Personally the few times I had bugs I used nematodes for the gnats & predator mites when I once got spider mites & eliminated the problem that caused the infection

In my case the gnats from next doors I found a way to close that window.
I also got spider mites because I let the hydro shop guy in my room ; he insisted on wearing on yellow hi viz shirt & bugs are attracted to yellow & as well as visiting lots of grows he couldn’t grow for love nor money & always had bugs witch I found out after the fact

I’m all out organic so I would deal with bugs via there predators

Ever since I eliminated the two factors him & the window I haven’t got bugs

I don’t run a preventative program as such I do follow a preventative approach as do most.

That’s not letting folks visit your grow room
Don’t let pets in the grow room
If you want to work outside especially in the garden change clothes & have a shower before you look in on your plants

For fungi don’t let your humidity go over 65%
at 70% it can take hold & make sure you’ve plenty air flow

Seedlings prefer a high humidity & you can run it higher till they germinate & root however.

It’s mainly in flower you could get fungi from high humidity also don’t leave dead leaves around & keep your grow clean

Just run a good approach & you shouldn’t get bugs in the first place

These are some hot tips .. i thank you

 

[BeefyBully]

The lalstops are not for pests. They fight off bacterial and fungal infections. Maybe viral, but don't quote me on that. For soil pest issues during flower, I agree with @Gmix, nematodes are the way to go. I use both rt at beginning of transition and generally have no issues to have to deal with later on. Hope that clarifies.

I thank you , and yes thats what I’m asking for.. DAM! I knew the Ntoads was the way to go. The tent is right next to where I sleep and I don’t think the wife is going to be thrilled about bugs being brought in.
I guess I better ask which type of Ntoads do I need.
I guess I should of asked for help building an IPM..live and learn (more to follow)
Thanks a bunch
BB

 

[BeefyBully]

Can I safely say that Nematoads and Lalstop will be the go to when switching to 12/12..?
How are you guys dealing with mold (PM) when in flower. Or is it something you deal with when it shows ..?

 

[Gmix]

I get mine from here

Fungus Fly Killer Nematodes

What are Fungus Flies? The Fungus Fly, also known as the Sciarid Fly, can cause severe damage to plants. These tiny flies will lay eggs in compost or soil, from which larvae will develop. The larvae feed on young plants and seedlings at propagation. Fungus Fly are also a common pest in...

dragonfli.co.uk

The send direct or you can order from Amazon & eBay

There probably plenty other sellers

Your wife wouldn’t notice them the are microscope & live in the soil you can use at anytime

Pm indoors isn’t normaly a issue
It’s mainly attacks outside where it’s been raining for days/ the seasons come to a end

You’d deal with it with milk albeit once it’s got hold it’s a killer

Inside there’s no rain & as we control the humidity it’s not lighty unless you over crowd the room don’t have enough air flow & have a high humidity

 

[BeefyBully]

Gmix and Copperhead, hey I have an update to my grow, some un-controllable things happened.
Grow is doing good but have some updating to do here. Once I have more time, I'll full blown update the first grow. I also have some pics to show with questions.

 

[BeefyBully]

Good morning gentlemen, To start thank you for the support.

question, during late flower, is it normal to have what looks like seed sacks mixed into the bud, they look like mini brussels sprouts. I know they're not seeds. I'm assuming they will turn to little flowers, is this true?
I'm including a pic from the internet to reference.