Issue, Blackberry Auto, Please Help

[Newty]

Man that's weird looking. Good going finding out early, sorry it's a auto though hopefully it won't bother the growth going forward.

I'm not afraid to admit that I'm definitely out of my element with Autos, first Auto i grew had issue in flower also. I was using only 2 gallon pot for that 1 so probably root problems also

Fast Buds is the only Auto strains I've grow so far, next will be RQS or freebies I got from North Atlantic Seed Co. so we will see if I have different results.

 

[Newty]

Well crap....
Biggest plant had a droop this morning, I came home from work and it's pretty sad now.....
Hopefully just stress, maybe overwatered
I'm hoping the roots in the pot are strong enough to keep her going, pot was a bit dry do to the roots inhibiting water uptake through the wicks so some root damage in the medium is definitely a possibility.

The smaller, bushier plant on the left side of the tent has really surprised me though, had such a rough start with slow, weird growth from the stuck membrane but she really impressed me with how she fought through it to become what she is now.

 

[Itscheese94]

Well crap....
Biggest plant had a droop this morning, I came home from work and it's pretty sad now.....
Hopefully just stress, maybe overwatered
I'm hoping the roots in the pot are strong enough to keep her going, pot was a bit dry do to the roots inhibiting water uptake through the wicks so some root damage in the medium is definitely a possibility.

The smaller, bushier plant on the left side of the tent has really surprised me though, had such a rough start with slow, weird growth from the stuck membrane but she really impressed me with how she fought through it to become what she is now.
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must be kinda root bound then newty, with the roots growing out like that. maybe try a ph adjusted nutrient mix next when the soil drys out. at like 6.4 ph. run it through the pot to little run off. like 10 percent run off. if the soil ph is off in the pot there this will bring it back in range.

 

[Newty]

must be kinda root bound then newty, with the roots growing out like that. maybe try a ph adjusted nutrient mix next when the soil drys out. at like 6.4 ph. run it through the pot to little run off. like 10 percent run off. if the soil ph is off in the pot there this will bring it back in range.

I need to get something to test ph. Once I can test soil ph, I have phosphoric acid to lower it if needed.

On another note, I used Armor Si (Silica) in both auto grows with issues. Maybe that is also having a negative effect
I use Silica for my photoperiods also but a different brand.

I'm almost thinking the root system was in the bottom of the pot.
I didn't top water much so the roots probably grew right to the bottom 1/3 or the pot rather then growing throughout the whole pot like when top watering.
I kind of want to dig down a little and see but don't want to cause anymore stress.
The pot was dry and possibly for a few days, the roots kept the wicks from soaking up water.
Idk what kind of damage the roots in the pot have from being dry and the fact I removed the roots from the base means I could of cut off the main feeding roots. Hopefully there's enough healthy roots to get her going again.
If the top of the pot is lacking roots, they should be able to grow back up into the medium.

 

[Itscheese94]

I need to get something to test ph. Once I can test soil ph, I have phosphoric acid to lower it if needed.

On another note, I used Armor Si (Silica) in both auto grows with issues. Maybe that is also having a negative effect
I use Silica for my photoperiods also but a different brand.

I'm almost thinking the root system was in the bottom of the pot.
I didn't top water much so the roots probably grew right to the bottom 1/3 or the pot rather then growing throughout the whole pot like when top watering.
I kind of want to dig down a little and see but don't want to cause anymore stress.
The pot was dry and possibly for a few days, the roots kept the wicks from soaking up water.
Idk what kind of damage the roots in the pot have from being dry and the fact I removed the roots from the base means I could of cut off the main feeding roots. Hopefully there's enough healthy roots to get her going again.
If the top of the pot is lacking roots, they should be able to grow back up into the medium.

yeah makes sense on the roots growing down bud. silica normally does raise the ph. yeah i cant see why the roots wouldnt start filling the top soil up. just after make sure you keep nutrients going. like water nutrients water. you can get the ph test kits.

 

[StanM]

If you can hang in there and grow them out they aren’t bad. This was the first plant I grew after switching to organic growing and top dressing nutrients. It finished back in June and got me started in that grow routine.

I used a 3 gallon grow bag and amended soil from Coast of Maine. With Autos in 3’s I top once with veg nutes at week three and once with flower nutes at week seven. That’s it, two feedings, hand watering and individual TLC. Since this first organic experiment I have a few more plants under my belt. Compared to liquid nutes this is a much easier grow routine and I am lazy so it fits my style.

I hated liquid nutes and having to monitor runoff ppm and estimating how much to feed. Knowing the lifecycle of autos and when to feed has made a big difference. Photos are similar but I transplant those and feed four times per grow instead of two.

This strain smells like berries right out of the drying tent. Organics make it easier as flushing isn’t much of a thing either.

 

[Sunasun]

Well crap....
Biggest plant had a droop this morning, I came home from work and it's pretty sad now.....
Hopefully just stress, maybe overwatered
I'm hoping the roots in the pot are strong enough to keep her going, pot was a bit dry do to the roots inhibiting water uptake through the wicks so some root damage in the medium is definitely a possibility.

The smaller, bushier plant on the left side of the tent has really surprised me though, had such a rough start with slow, weird growth from the stuck membrane but she really impressed me with how she fought through it to become what she is now.
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Oh hell, did you kill her? Where's the update?

 

[Newty]

Oh hell, did you kill her? Where's the update?

I'll post a pic when I get home but she still looks like she did before.

If she was dying, I would expect everything to be getting worse.
The pistils are really white like they should be so maybe I'll get lucky.
It's definitely going to hurt harvest if she does make it.

I'll have a ph tester Sunday.

 

[Newty]

I stopped by my local supply store and they had 2 ph style tests, 1 for soil and 1 for water, I bought both.

Soil samples were taken in several different spots.

I mixed up the soil one with distilled water and it looks like ph of around 7.

The water one is General Hydroponics.
I mixed soil to distilled water using 1:1 ratio.
Stirred every 5-10 minutes for 1.5 hours.
Strained through a coffee filter.
Test looks to be a ph of about 6.5

Each test was repeated with same results.

 

[Newty]

Bumping this because I need to water these plants and don't know if I should be adding Phosphoric Acid to lower ph since the tests in my last post show 6.5 - 7.0 ph and proper soil ph range is 6.0 - 6.8

I was thinking the plant was showing Calcium toxicity and had Alkaline Soil.
6.5 - 7.0 is the higher of the ph range for soil so availability of CalMag is higher, maybe lowering will be beneficial so the availability isn't as high

 

[BearWater]

Bumping this because I need to water these plants and don't know if I should be adding Phosphoric Acid to lower ph since the tests in my last post show 6.5 - 7.0 ph and proper soil ph range is 6.0 - 6.8

I was thinking the plant was showing Calcium toxicity and had Alkaline Soil.
6.5 - 7.0 is the higher of the ph range for soil so availability of CalMag is higher, maybe lowering will be beneficial so the availability isn't as high

Hey Newty if you dont get any hits here, you can jump over to the train wreck and do an “all call” for help lol. I did that once as apposed to waiting for help in my other thread. I can get a little “antsy in my pantsy” some times hahaha!

Thats all I can help with at this point.

 

[Newty]

Hey Newty if you dont get any hits here, you can jump over to the train wreck and do an “all call” for help lol. I did that once as apposed to waiting for help in my other thread. I can get a little “antsy in my pantsy” some times hahaha!

Thats all I can help with at this point.

I appreciate the tip man.

Not really antsy, I didn't really get the help I needed for the 1st auto I had issues with so now it's happening again.
I see members get the help they need to correct deficiency and toxicity issues all the time but I guess maybe I'm posting something wrong?

I did get a couple extra insights on this thread this time (thank you to those members) but still feel like I'm hanging...

 

[BearWater]

I appreciate the tip man.

Not really antsy, I didn't really get the help I needed for the 1st auto I had issues with so now it's happening again.
I see members get the help they need to correct deficiency and toxicity issues all the time but I guess maybe I'm posting something wrong?

I did get a couple extra insights on this thread this time (thank you to those members) but still feel like I'm hanging...

im sure you’ve spent some time reading through auto threads : )

 

[Newty]

im sure you’ve spent some time reading through auto threads : )

Sure have.

When I took the soil samples last night, the roots ball only came out from the center of plant a few inches, no roots to the edge of the pot, was like that all the way to the lower 1/3 where the most of the roots are.
1st Auto try was a 2 gallon pot.
Maybe root bound issues

I still had that soil slurry I made last night, I stirred it up and tested again this morning and said 6.5 again.
I decided to test some other solutions to make sure the color actually changes with different ph levels.
My tap water comes in around 7.5 - 8.0
My plants get tap water filtered through a Zero Water filter, I tested the tap water ph after going through filter and it sits around 6.0-6.5.
I then tested the water I mixed up and gave them a few days ago that only has Liquid Karma and Pure Blend Tea into it, ph test was around 6.5.

If I were to try and lower my ph to see if it helps, idk what ph level to adjust my water to with phosphoric acid to lower the soil ph.
If I want my soil ph to drop to around 6.0, do I just ph to like a 5.5 since my nutrient mix is already around 6.5?

 

[BearWater]

Sure have.

When I took the soil samples last night, the roots ball only came out from the center of plant a few inches, no roots to the edge of the pot, was like that all the way to the lower 1/3 where the most of the roots are.
1st Auto try was a 2 gallon pot.
Maybe root bound issues

I still had that soil slurry I made last night, I stirred it up and tested again this morning and said 6.5 again.
I decided to test some other solutions to make sure the color actually changes with different ph levels.
My tap water comes in around 7.5 - 8.0
My plants get tap water filtered through a Zero Water filter, I tested the tap water ph after going through filter and it sits around 6.0-6.5.
I then tested the water I mixed up and gave them a few days ago that only has Liquid Karma and Pure Blend Tea into it, ph test was around 6.5.

that sounds like a mess im not ready for that with my auto! hope you get it figured out man!

I just got done “spritzing” mine lol! Still nothing out of the soil though : ) thats not saying much though, I’ve had a harder time this run getting seeds popped anyways.

 

[Sunasun]

I stopped by my local supply store and they had 2 ph style tests, 1 for soil and 1 for water, I bought both.

Soil samples were taken in several different spots.

I mixed up the soil one with distilled water and it looks like ph of around 7.

The water one is General Hydroponics.
I mixed soil to distilled water using 1:1 ratio.
Stirred every 5-10 minutes for 1.5 hours.
Strained through a coffee filter.
Test looks to be a ph of about 6.5

Each test was repeated with same results.
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Maybe I should have been more specific. I meant a pic of your plant.

 

[Sunasun]

Have you been saturating all of the medium with each watering? Roots won't grow into dry soil.

 

[Newty]

Have you been saturating all of the medium with each watering? Roots won't grow into dry soil.

I believe roots are my main issue at this point.
I'm using AC Infinity Self-Watering Bases and I don't think I was top watering enough in addition to the bottom watering.
Roots grew down the wicks and started spreading in the bases.
Major issues observed.
Removed wicks and roots in bases, pulled right off the bottom without effort.

Another member suggested I tested soil ph and why I did and posted results.

Started top watering, not using bases anymore.
Did not use a base for the 1st auto I grew but it was in a 2 gallon pots, bit under sized.

I've used the same bases with the same watering habits for photoperiods no issues.
Also have used the 2 gallon pots on several occasions for photoperiods, no issues.

Veg I have pretty much no issues, once flower comes is when everything changes.
I thought a lot of my experience with photoperiods was going to transition over to Autos but that sure isn't the case lol
Frustrating but I'm eager to learn if and how I can fix it and prevent it from happening again.

Here's their current state

 

[Galgrows]

Hmmm this is odd and a tough one. Did you super crop that center one do some hard LST or something? Like you i've never " wicked" autos just photos. But this started at the beginning of flower it just looks like overwatered at the base of the roots. Was there any green slime under those pots?

 

[organicbr016]

could that be some kind of contamination or fungus?
might be some of these.. ph, watering, light, feeding