Its about time! Write down these guys names..And vote accordingly

[GreenThumbBill]

27:30-27:45 FTW!

 

[putembk]

As not to hi-jack the thread I might start a separate thread on what I do and how I do it..and some pics..if it's cool with Logic and the mods.

btw, I am fortunate to have internet, a satellite dish mounted on a tree...haha. I have some nice mountain views and can catch the phone and internet towers.

The banking cartels lured everyone into debt, therefore it is almost impossible to get off the merry-go-round. It took me some serious planning but I did it in little bites...a much easier transition, IMO. Trust me, it gets easier as you go....but the first year and first winter was a steep learning curve.

Start a thread, I want to hear how you do this. The mountains would be tough in winter. I have a cabin in the hills with all the amenities and there is now way I would last up there. Remember the shining? I would be just like Jack after a few months of minus 20 with nothing to do.

 

[caregiverken]

As not to hi-jack the thread I might start a separate thread on what I do and how I do it..and some pics..if it's cool with Logic and the mods.

If you start that thread Kolah, I will be subbed for sure.
Going off grid is a major life goal of mine. (or should I say Dream?)

I got my self heavy in debt building this house durning the RE boom here in cali..
Had some sweat equity....its all gone now...:(

But I hope to start small with "on grid" solar 1st....then try to save $$ for more panels, the battery banks and Massive inverter ...ect

 

[socalval]

yeah Kolah start an off the grid thread .

 

[marski420]

The more I think on this the more I go back to my roots based on simplicity. Fuck money and what it stands for. Why not create a society where things that hold value can be exchanged for other things of value?...aka barter and trade. Much like the settlers and Indians did and I am sure many other civilizations long ago. For example, everyone has something of value and say I have fresh tomatoes. I need some firewood. Ken has firewood. We work out and agree to a fair trade and off we go. The only people who would not like this idea are the lazy fucks. Because they would get nothing if they have nothing and were too lazy to make something of themselves. Survival of the fittest at work. This would make people PRODUCTIVE. This would make people feel as though they themselves are worth something. People who can take care of themselves and families are very proud people. Just look and talk to the old timers who survived on their own and were still happy as shit. They had no debt, they lived simple and were not forced to be slaves working some shitty-ass job being paid peanuts.

I always look at the Amish and Mennonites and adore the interesting way they live. I like it, except for the "religion" stuff. But they raise their children to be craftsmen and show them how to work with their hands. They are masters of all trades which is well-needed for them to survive and be happy. They are leather-smiths and black smiths, carpenters and farmers and well-round horsemen, and they keep it simple.

As far as gold, silver and precious metals go? I do not like how they mine for it. It's toxic to the planet and us. The extraction process and use of cyanide is deadly. Uranium mining is even worse. And in todays greedy and corrupted world, only the very rich elites have all the rights to mine for precious metals and us simpletons do not. Not cool in my books. So the rich will get richer and the rest of us will fight over the leftovers, the tiny crumbs of gold and silver and attempt to make a decent living off of it. But yes, as the modern world is today, the precious metals hold great buying power. I decided to put what little money I had elsewhere. I wished I had invested in some, but oh well. My focus was moreso on buying acreage and creating my own self-sufficient lifestyle. I was tired of the slavery that I was born into.

I would rather see people create a skill or two, advance their God-given talents and then have something to be proud of. Then use whatever that skill may be to barter and trade and to sustain a happy lifestyle. But as I have said before, I was born in the wrong g-dam era. I really don't feel like I belong here. But my crazy belief system and ideas could still be used today by anyone who dares to take a walk on the wild side. I live in a tipi, I have no running water. I have no electric but I do have some limited solar power. I buy my clothes at Goodwill and get pants and shirts for 3 bucks. I grow my own veggies and kill and butcher my own wild game. I have zero debt. I drive a beat up Jeep with 230,000 miles and love it. For what little money I need, I work doing oddjobs every now and then. When I make some cash I sit back and chill. I have time to talk with folks, take walks and just plain live. It gives me time to get ripped and sit around and think of anything that passes through my brain. I jumped off that crazy g-dam modern day merry-go-round a long time a ago and never looked back. People think I am absolutely nuts..and then there are a few who think what I am doing is cooler than shit. But mostly people call me "that crazy-guy living in the tipi." My way is not always the right way for other people, but it suits me just fine. As Chickenman says: "To each his own." :)

People who don't agree like you said are the lazy bastards who have nothing to contribute to society. I agree with every single thing you said and plan on saving up for my own land to sustain enough food / herb to trade for other skills / items like you said. Its the ONLY way to live fairly imo and if most people seen the benefits to this life style we could tweak our system to be the fair to all, live in peace and let innovation guide us through any hardships. I especially like when you said "It gives me time to get ripped and sit around and think of anything that passes through my brain" That is where all my innovativeness and creativeness comes from, being able to sit and think everyday for a while. Meanwhile mostly everyone is at work not thinking creatively or about what they want, rather taking orders from someone higher up in some dead end job they dont wanna be. I'm still a young guy in my early 20's and Im telling you people who trust the government or have any faith the government will do good by the people are the crazy ones. Its such a cliche but like Einstein said "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results" We are not the crazy ones, we believe in true freedom not this fake freedom everyone thinks they have.

We have seen the system fail its people time after time and cry out for everyone else to take notice but they seem to be either too asleep or just too unwilling to change the way their minds work.. People cant stand being wrong and that goes double if you tell people the way they live life isnt the right way. People can call that statement arrogant but its true, people are killing our earth to get rich and it isnt even you who's getting rich. The USA has more debt than there is resources in the world to pay the debt back with.. that should be the CLEAREST indication the financial system is broken and all the system was designed for was to enslave its people to mine the earth's precious minerals and build a society for the people who claim to be elite. Either people wake up to the truth and help people like Kolah,Ken or anyone who thinks like us to take this plane out of a tail spin. If we dont its obvious whats going to happen, we become further enslaved while the oceans and wild life die off due to the continual mismanagement of our earth. I have hope for humanity, I honestly believe the government will try and pull off something very very stupid sometime in the future that will fully expose them even to people who dont buy into how evil they are. One love everybody, freedom will prosper my friends.

 

[kolah]

Another "911 times 10" before the election would be the TKO.

 

[SoCal 420]

People who don't agree like you said are the lazy bastards who have nothing to contribute to society. I agree with every single thing you said and plan on saving up for my own land to sustain enough food / herb to trade for other skills / items like you said. Its the ONLY way to live fairly imo and if most people seen the benefits to this life style we could tweak our system to be the fair to all, live in peace and let innovation guide us through any hardships. I especially like when you said "It gives me time to get ripped and sit around and think of anything that passes through my brain" That is where all my innovativeness and creativeness comes from, being able to sit and think everyday for a while. Meanwhile mostly everyone is at work not thinking creatively or about what they want, rather taking orders from someone higher up in some dead end job they dont wanna be. I'm still a young guy in my early 20's and Im telling you people who trust the government or have any faith the government will do good by the people are the crazy ones. Its such a cliche but like Einstein said "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results" We are not the crazy ones, we believe in true freedom not this fake freedom everyone thinks they have.

We have seen the system fail its people time after time and cry out for everyone else to take notice but they seem to be either too asleep or just too unwilling to change the way their minds work.. People cant stand being wrong and that goes double if you tell people the way they live life isnt the right way. People can call that statement arrogant but its true, people are killing our earth to get rich and it isnt even you who's getting rich. The USA has more debt than there is resources in the world to pay the debt back with.. that should be the CLEAREST indication the financial system is broken and all the system was designed for was to enslave its people to mine the earth's precious minerals and build a society for the people who claim to be elite. Either people wake up to the truth and help people like Kolah,Ken or anyone who thinks like us to take this plane out of a tail spin. If we dont its obvious whats going to happen, we become further enslaved while the oceans and wild life die off due to the continual mismanagement of our earth. I have hope for humanity, I honestly believe the government will try and pull off something very very stupid sometime in the future that will fully expose them even to people who dont buy into how evil they are. One love everybody, freedom will prosper my friends.

 

[SoCal 420]

The amount of "Available" resources in the U.S. far surpasses our debt... That is Fact. Why do you think we can carry such A debt? Huge Collateral my friend! Natural Recorces, Realestate, Buildings, Planes, Trains, Autos, Trucks, Military Equipment (Highest Technology in the World) Land, Infastructure (Power, Transportation, Railways, Bridges) and of course People... 314,000,000 of us and counting... The biggest resource of all. The things that have come from the minds of our people alone have generated A stagering amount of money. You under estamate the Net Worth of the U.S. by A long Shot! Do you Really believe the "Net Worth" of the entire U.S. is only 10 or 15 trillion dollars? and we Can't come up with the Cash? Things are definately not so bright but the game is not over by any means. We the People are the Military and The Government and I find it hard to believe that Dr. Evil is going to collectively "Brain Wash" 314,000,000 of us simutaniously and were all going to follow his orders! I say Bull F*#%ing Shot!
I have my Foil Hat to protect me and last time I checked I can go any where in the world I choose and so can everyone else! (Maybe not Felons/Criminals... No Offense!) The Grass is not Greener on the other side of the fence bro... You are in the best place you can be (In my Opinion) The U.S.! If you think your odds are better somewhere else, your young, Take A trip around the world, If you can't afford it, do it Via. Google (Another of our Peoples Great Ideas by the Way, used world wide!) and I'll Personally Great you when you Return to This Sh*t Hole!
Have A Great DayBrother! Be All You Can Be, Maybe You Will Change the World, Who Knows. The Only Thing That Limits Us is Self! Treat Your Family, Friends and fellow Men with Respect and Kindness and You Will Reap What You Sow/Sew... Whatever, You get the Picture... (Unless the World Ends in December Like The Mayans Supposidly Predicted) Peace, Out:cool:

 

[marski420]

The amount of "Available" resources in the U.S. far surpasses our debt... That is Fact. Why do you think we can carry such A debt? Huge Collateral my friend! Natural Recorces, Realestate, Buildings, Planes, Trains, Autos, Trucks, Military Equipment (Highest Technology in the World) Land, Infastructure (Power, Transportation, Railways, Bridges) and of course People... 314,000,000 of us and counting... The biggest resource of all. The things that have come from the minds of our people alone have generated A stagering amount of money. You under estamate the Net Worth of the U.S. by A long Shot! Do you Really believe the "Net Worth" of the entire U.S. is only 10 or 15 trillion dollars? and we Can't come up with the Cash? Things are definately not so bright but the game is not over by any means. We the People are the Military and The Government and I find it hard to believe that Dr. Evil is going to collectively "Brain Wash" 314,000,000 of us simutaniously and were all going to follow his orders! I say Bull F*#%ing Shot!
I have my Foil Hat to protect me and last time I checked I can go any where in the world I choose and so can everyone else! (Maybe not Felons/Criminals... No Offense!) The Grass is not Greener on the other side of the fence bro... You are in the best place you can be (In my Opinion) The U.S.! If you think your odds are better somewhere else, your young, Take A trip around the world, If you can't afford it, do it Via. Google (Another of our Peoples Great Ideas by the Way, used world wide!) and I'll Personally Great you when you Return to This Sh*t Hole!
Have A Great DayBrother! Be All You Can Be, Maybe You Will Change the World, Who Knows. The Only Thing That Limits Us is Self! Treat Your Family, Friends and fellow Men with Respect and Kindness and You Will Reap What You Sow/Sew... Whatever, You get the Picture... (Unless the World Ends in December Like The Mayans Supposidly Predicted) Peace, Out:cool:

Sorry to have to break it to you, Americas TOTAL debt surpasses 200 trillion which is infinitely growing daily(by about 3+ billion per day). The national debt says 15 trillion but there are other factors at play here, the fiscal gap and other programs like medicare/social security being the main ones.I'm not discounting the fact there are hundreds of millions of people, people are the number 1 resource to the government because people do it all. Infact with the introduction of the birth certificate in the 30's they officially made live people into stock, thats all the certificate is... a warehouse receipt for a live human being so the government knows exactly know much stock in the country they have.
"We the People are the Military and The Government and I find it hard to believe that Dr. Evil is going to collectively "Brain Wash" 314,000,000 of us simutaniously and were all going to follow his orders! I say Bull F*#%ing Shot!" since 9/11 there has been 3 wars started which were started by the military and government.. the people are already brain washed and that's obvious by how far they have let the system rape them and leave them with nothing. Its as simple as this.. if you defend this system in any way you're already brain washed! What you have done is the typical American thing to do.. defend corrupt politics, corrupt economic/ financial systems all because you're so proud to be an American. Sorry thats not how being a proud American or any proud countrymen works. A true patriot faces the truth head on, doesnt ignore it to keep up a fake image of the country and thats what most people are doing. Psychology calls this mental block "World View". Most Americans "World View" is that America is #1.. America is the good guy,and anyone who says different is the bad guy. It literally goes on and on.. and what it comes down to is your ego cant handle the fact you may not be the best like you think so you deny any and all truth about the shady shit thats happening. If you do not agree the US government is a bunch of fascist crooks then you need to do some research on fascism, America currently defines it.
Here is a news article on the real debt situation, proven by an economics university professor from Boston.
http://abcnewsradioonline.com/business-news/is-real-us-debt-figure-211t-not-143t.html

I'm not in any way angry I'm just always so disappointed to read crap like "The Grass is not Greener on the other side of the fence bro... You are in the best place you can be (In my Opinion) The U.S.!"
When will people realize the imaginary boarder lines are just that.. IMAGINARY. You are not any better of a person for living in between some imaginary line, you are not any smarter for it either. Your home is not the USA it is planet earth and its time people start showing respect for the entire entity that gave you life and sustains it(Not just in between your imaginary lines).

 

[SoCal 420]

I never said anything to imply I back the Government or politics in any way shape or form. Most of it is Bullshit but you learn to work within the margin of what is. If your not living on the Edge Your Takeing Up to Much Space! The reason people got "Raped" as you put it is due in part to their own personal Greed/Envy. Hang your Ass out and someone is going to tap it, that is A fact. Who's falt is that! Finance what you can't afford to buy, gamble on the fact that your job will always be their, Use your Equity in an over valued house that you couldn't possibly afford in the first place and by A bunch more crap you don't even need to keep up with the the "Jonse's" and then say "Why Me" No one held A gun to anybodys head and forced them to do these things. That is what the true cause of what perpetuated all this that you speak of. Ever hear of the Realestate Bubble? I prefer to live within my means, very much off the grid. Pay little if anything in tax, work when I want, mostly for cash, If not I 1099 and pull all the deductions possible and pay little or nothing to State or Fed. Took the credit card companies for all they were worth and walked away with an ear to ear grin and one year latter they still want to give me more! Go figure!
All I am saying is people seem to think they are "Owed " something. That others should "Provide It" That is Not "Self Reliant" in any way, shape, or form Nor how this or any Country was started and if people believe that, then they most likely will become victoms to those that are more than willing to take what they have. People have been robbing , stealing, swindeling each other since the days of Cavemen. Those that "Evolved' learned from their mistakes... Hey, look over their while I steal your Fish Bro, You only fall for it Once! If it happens again who's fault is that? I am not "Brain washed" as you say, in any way, shape or form. I live in Ca. and anybody with half A brain cell could see all this coming A mile away. I spent Many years in the construction biz and I can build with the best or repair almost anything mechanical, so I really don't worry about domesdayers or the Government for that matter... I work and do what I want, when I want.

P.S. I'd love to see your 200 trillion defficit backed by tangible and verrifiable facts. That is what I deal with... and the link you provide dosen't have that supprisingly. It does however mention the fact that SSI is in part where this ballon figure comes from, forcast out in the future that is not set in stone. Probably includes Medicare/Medical. Personally I havent paid into that pipe dream for over twenty years... Because I always new it wouldn't be there. Why get your ass tapped, unless you like that kind of thing. Like you stated above, I could see the storm brewing, took it "Head On" and like A"True Patriot" Provided for myself, invested and saved, outside the "System" and live every day like it is the last. I don't wine, If I want, I Achive! Who the #uck wants to live forever? Live fast, Die Hard and if the fight comes to your door be willing and more than able to oblige. Nothing will ever be taken from me and I will not give what I have earned away... Have A Great Day and if You Don't Like It, Change It! I wouldn't try walking across that "Invisible Border" any time soon though... If your not in the U.S. that will get you "Dead" real quick ;)

 

[putembk]

Sorry you guys, you are both right and wrong. WERE FUCKED...THAT'S IT...NO SHIT!!

 

[SoCal 420]

The sky is falling, what will I do? Shout from the roof tops for all to hear, make A sign and yell at people to instill more fear, "Listen to me" Complain and blame others that the sky is falling? Hide my face (No True Patriot would stoop so Low)and destroy property and and create civil unrest because the sky is falling...
Or
Look foward,instaead of up. Things can and do change. Enjoy all that life has to offer because time may be short for things as they are. Blaze A big Fattie and crack A 24 and live life the way you desire instead of being A slave to the true propaganda that limits your full potential, the media!
Insulate your self from all the crap and your life will be better for that decison alone... Your decisions will be yours and yours alone instead of based on what you are spoon fed by those who control media. Don't be A F*#kin Puppet, Cut the strings!
Does A Bear shit in the woods, Yeah but if Im not there I dont have to smell it and I'm obviously not going to step in it! My comments made are not about Right or Wrong, more about playing the hand your delt! If you fall into the catagory of those that complain about how things are but do little or nothing to change their circumstance besides complain than we have nothing in common... To each their own and my sincere respect and best wishes to all who happened to step in this mess! Have A Good One! :cool:

 

[Freak]

If I get terminal cancer, Frank Wolf is first on my Bucket "Bullet" List.....lol