Joe's Grow Show Pt. 1: The Coco Diaries

[EventHorizan]

I agree with this statement 100%
I would condense your area for growing to a 4x4 area and hone your skills
push yourself in that section to maximize your output
then build out from there to 2 4x4 areas
or just the 4x4 for flower and section it out to 2 4x4 areas
1 for veg
1 for flower
in the veg area you can keep a mom or 2 as well as a little spot for cloning
much more effecient

Most deff! As you can see im down sizing, or i should say, im compartmentalizing my area..

And when you have mastered your first area, then build you the second 4x4 bloom area.
That way you can flower out a diff strain in each one, and you can stagger them so every month you get a harvest. And 2# a month at $2700 to 3200 a peacey, is more than enough... Anything more than that, well,, you know what they say about greed...

 

[Wisher619]

Most deff! As you can see im down sizing, or i should say, im compartmentalizing my area..

And when you have mastered your first area, then build you the second 4x4 bloom area.
That way you can flower out a diff strain in each one, and you can stagger them so every month you get a harvest. And 2# a month at $2700 to 3200 a peacey, is more than enough... Anything more than that, well,, you know what they say about greed...

yup

and if you can dial the room and find "That Strain"
you can really push the #'s

 

[Thejoeybrown]

no problem
ask away
once you set everything up.....you will realize how super easy it is
yeah as for the bubbling
everyone thinks you need oxygen
but in reality
when you top feed
your plants are getting oxygen nomatter what
the action of feeding from top forces O2 down into the root zone
and bubbling dosnt help to keep your res mixed
but a pump can both keep your res mixed and add a little dissolved oxygen
but an air pump takes oxygen in and it is heated before it reaches the res potentially heating the res as well adding CO2 along with the O2
which spells trouble

I like experimenting when I have the cash

but once I find the most effective at the cheapest price
I dont care how it looks really
I only care about money and end result
and since all my grows are personal with no cash inflow....so basically all out of pocket
After finding the right equipment
I stick to it unless I find something cheaper and as or more effective

bere is what I have going right now
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You could put a de in the middle, along with your 1k, and you gonna have more bud than you can shake a stick at, AS LONG AS YOU CAN COOL THE ROOM! I could pull $10k every 2 months with that.
Im gonna rain on your parade a little bit tho...
You are kind of making the same mistake as I did.
Your thinking more lights, more area, more bud,
when really its about refining 4x4 sections at a time.
When you can pull 2 per 4x4, then expand.
Its cheaper up front, and electric, and you can
use what you have now..
You want some real help, tell me what your rooms ventilation/exhaust/environment controls are and i show you how to make your equipment give you what you want that other light to do...

I agree with this statement 100%
I would condense your area for growing to a 4x4 area and hone your skills
push yourself in that section to maximize your output
then build out from there to 2 4x4 areas
or just the 4x4 for flower and section it out to 2 4x4 areas
1 for veg
1 for flower
in the veg area you can keep a mom or 2 as well as a little spot for cloning
much more effecient

Ya for sure guys that EXACTLY what I was thinking and exactly why I am only using my 4x4 tray and running full term grows. Not trying perpetual or expanding until I hone my skills. I knew I would have different ideas and more experienced people giving me advice. I hope I don't sound like that guy who is trying to do too much too fast. First thing is to get my watering in place and dialed in. Get this run to push out some quality on par with my first (go back a few pages if you haven't checked it out). I have No set deadline to reach my ultimate goal it will take time. I will continue to upgrade as I go and eventually reach my goal. At the same time I know what I'm capable of and I'm not scared to give things a shot. With your guys help we're gonna have this thing locked in in due time.

Event I will take some pics when I eat home to show you the layout and what all I'm working with

 

[Thejoeybrown]

No problem bro! I appreciate saying I learned under you!
Lmao, I know this is silly, but in my mind, your cali born and breed,
and so are your skillz,
And so in my mind, Im cali taught!
Lmao, Im Cali bitches!!!
We know where the growing capital of the world is!
And honestly its been a pleasure to learn from you!
And you have made it pretty easy to be honest..

Cali born and breed baby. East bay boy all day

 

[EventHorizan]

You could put a de in the middle, along with your 1k, and you gonna have more bud than you can shake a stick at, AS LONG AS YOU CAN COOL THE ROOM! I could pull $10k every 2 months with that.
Im gonna rain on your parade a little bit tho...
You are kind of making the same mistake as I did.
Your thinking more lights, more area, more bud,
when really its about refining 4x4 sections at a time.
When you can pull 2 per 4x4, then expand.
Its cheaper up front, and electric, and you can
use what you have now..
You want some real help, tell me what your rooms ventilation/exhaust/environment controls are and i show you how to make your equipment give you what you want that other light to do...

I agree with this statement 100%
I would condense your area for growing to a 4x4 area and hone your skills
push yourself in that section to maximize your output
then build out from there to 2 4x4 areas
or just the 4x4 for flower and section it out to 2 4x4 areas
1 for veg
1 for flower
in the veg area you can keep a mom or 2 as well as a little spot for cloning
much more effecient

Most deff! As you can see im down sizing, or i should say, im compartmentalizing my area..

And when you have mastered your first area, then build you the second 4x4 bloom area.
That way you can flower out a diff strain in each one, and you can stagger them so every month you get a harvest. And 2# a month at $2700 to 3200 a peacey, is more than enough... Anything more than that, well,, you know what they say about greed...

And here is the thing, Me and Wisher, we will help you all along the way..
If you want to listen, and follow the lead, we can get you there..
You already are doing a good job with your mainlining, so you have some accomplishments under your belt.. Getting this weight, is about Environment, and technique.
Sealed is what you want for 2+....... C02 enrichment
But intil then you need to get control of your temp and humidity, and not leave it to chance. What equipment you have?

 

[EventHorizan]

Ya for sure guys that EXACTLY what I was thinking and exactly why I am only using my 4x4 tray and running full term grows. Not trying perpetual or expanding until I hone my skills. I knew I would have different ideas and more experienced people giving me advice. I hope I don't sound like that guy who is trying to do too much too fast. First thing is to get my watering in place and dialed in. Get this run to push out some quality on par with my first (go back a few pages if you haven't checked it out). I have No set deadline to reach my ultimate goal it will take time. I will continue to upgrade as I go and eventually reach my goal. At the same time I know what I'm capable of and I'm not scared to give things a shot. With your guys help we're gonna have this thing locked in in due time.

Event I will take some pics when I eat home to show you the layout and what all I'm working with

Sounds good bro..

 

[EventHorizan]

Well im gonna run down and check the girls

 

[Thejoeybrown]

@EventHorizan you said it brotha. Once I can pull 2 in my 4x4 then we'll expand. Still I'm always planning and plotting. Like we say at work. Constantly working, never "rushing"

 

[Thejoeybrown]

And here is the thing, Me and Wisher, we will help you all along the way..
If you want to listen, and follow the lead, we can get you there..
You already are doing a good job with your mainlining, so you have some accomplishments under your belt.. Getting this weight, is about Environment, and technique.
Sealed is what you want for 2+....... C02 enrichment
But intil then you need to get control of your temp and humidity, and not leave it to chance. What equipment you have?

I'll put pics up later and any info I forget but a quick run down

You got the room size. Tin stud fully insulated.
12000 btu portable AC hooked up with the ducting cut permanently into the wall.
Commercial deHuey only needed during flower and drying
1000w dimmable mh/hps
Room wrapped in panda (one side in that silver bubble insulation)
4x4 tray.
3 gal Coco
Running AN line (I know you guys hate them hahah)
Temps stay where I want 71-75. Rh 65-70 veg and gradually lower in flower down to about 30.
Current strains 4 Jack Here and 3 White Widow from seed from Growers Choice seeds

I know I'm forgetting stuff but a basic rundown. Pics soon.

 

[Wisher619]

@EventHorizan you said it brotha. Once I can pull 2 in my 4x4 then we'll expand. Still I'm always planning and plotting. Like we say at work. Constantly working, never "rushing"

my idea....and I have a lot
you build 2 4x4 areas from 1 corner of the room out
so it would be basically 1 closet seperated by a wall
with a door for each space
fitting 1 4x4 tray in each
so basically 1 wall would be 2 4x4's enclosed
1 for veg and 1 for bloom
not getting into specifics of the details
but that would leave more space in tour room for a nutrient/work station
build a little shelf for clones
and a dry space for drying/curing
that is what I would do with the available space
and since you are construction
it would be really basic and quick to throw up some walls and doors and seal everything up

 

[Wisher619]

I'll put pics up later and any info I forget but a quick run down

You got the room size. Tin stud fully insulated.
12000 btu portable AC hooked up with the ducting cut permanently into the wall.
Commercial deHuey only needed during flower and drying
1000w dimmable mh/hps
Room wrapped in panda (one side in that silver bubble insulation)
4x4 tray.
3 gal Coco
Running AN line (I know you guys hate them hahah)
Temps stay where I want 71-75. Rh 65-70 veg and gradually lower in flower down to about 30.
Current strains 4 Jack Here and 3 White Widow from seed from Growers Choice seeds

I know I'm forgetting stuff but a basic rundown. Pics soon.

nothing wrong with AN
just overpriced

 

[Thejoeybrown]

@EventHorizan i have some more of the Widow and Jack and want to find a keeper from each between these and the next seeds and then run 2 more strains and find a keeper. Then I will (ideally) have 4 moms and 2-3 more runs under my belt before I go perpetual. I'm not one to rush but I do want to get it together slowly so when I'm ready everything is ready

 

[EventHorizan]

my idea....and I have a lot
you build 2 4x4 areas from 1 corner of the room out
so it would be basically 1 closet seperated by a wall
with a door for each space
fitting 1 4x4 tray in each
so basically 1 wall would be 2 4x4's enclosed
1 for veg and 1 for bloom
not getting into specifics of the details
but that would leave more space in tour room for a nutrient/work station
build a little shelf for clones
and a dry space for drying/curing
that is what I would do with the available space
and since you are construction
it would be really basic and quick to throw up some walls and doors and seal everything up

Exactly.. Ventilation can and will be a problem when you finally run good genetics. These gsc x urkle crosses bout got me in a wringer.. Seal it up! Room inside a room is the best way. c02 enrichment...

 

[Thejoeybrown]

my idea....and I have a lot
you build 2 4x4 areas from 1 corner of the room out
so it would be basically 1 closet seperated by a wall
with a door for each space
fitting 1 4x4 tray in each
so basically 1 wall would be 2 4x4's enclosed
1 for veg and 1 for bloom
not getting into specifics of the details
but that would leave more space in tour room for a nutrient/work station
build a little shelf for clones
and a dry space for drying/curing
that is what I would do with the available space
and since you are construction
it would be really basic and quick to throw up some walls and doors and seal everything up

With that set up I would already have the shelves for clones and storage. That's ideal. I guess I WAS underplaying what can be accomplished in a 4x4. Also by then I plan on getting a mini split. (I'm buying the house and have 4 young kids so I plan on being here the next 20 years or so) I was talked out of the mini split before but I'm realizing the person was just jealous that he doesn't have a permanent set up and the income to do it. That was my main reason for not dividing the room as the ac would only be on one side.

@EventHorizan sounds like you are running sealed. I will be watching closely k would love to run co2 in a sealed room just all the guys I've learned from don't run that so I'm virgin in that area. Gonna be going thru your runs with a fine tooth comb. Hahha

 

[Wisher619]

With that set up I would already have the shelves for clones and storage. That's ideal. I guess I WAS underplaying what can be accomplished in a 4x4. Also by then I plan on getting a mini split. (I'm buying the house and have 4 young kids so I plan on being here the next 20 years or so) I was talked out of the mini split before but I'm realizing the person was just jealous that he doesn't have a permanent set up and the income to do it. That was my main reason for not dividing the room as the ac would only be on one side.

@EventHorizan sounds like you are running sealed. I will be watching closely k would love to run co2 in a sealed room just all the guys I've learned from don't run that so I'm virgin in that area. Gonna be going thru your runs with a fine tooth comb. Hahha

I dont run CO2 either but it is ideal
and a dual sealed room with CO2
you can murder it
you can easily push 2# out of a 4x4 with CO2

 

[Thejoeybrown]

Exactly.. Ventilation can and will be a problem when you finally run good genetics. These gsc x urkle crosses bout got me in a wringer.. Seal it up! Room inside a room is the best way. c02 enrichment...

Definitely bro. That's what I'm hearing is everyone is going sealed. I have really good ventilation but I'm the type of person that gets all giddy when I can tell you EXACTLY how much co2 is in the air. The whole reason I don't do soil is I need to be in complete control. Lol. Only way to do that is seal it up. Buuuut, baby steps. Hahah.

 

[EventHorizan]

I'll put pics up later and any info I forget but a quick run down

You got the room size. Tin stud fully insulated.
12000 btu portable AC hooked up with the ducting cut permanently into the wall.
Commercial deHuey only needed during flower and drying
1000w dimmable mh/hps
Room wrapped in panda (one side in that silver bubble insulation)
4x4 tray.
3 gal Coco
Running AN line (I know you guys hate them hahah)
Temps stay where I want 71-75. Rh 65-70 veg and gradually lower in flower down to about 30.
Current strains 4 Jack Here and 3 White Widow from seed from Growers Choice seeds

I know I'm forgetting stuff but a basic rundown. Pics soon.

I dont know one way or the other about AN.
4x4 tray is awesome. If you want some of my opinions, understand that is what this is..
I would build your box, just like wisher said, as a closet 4x8... partition the middle to give you 2 - 4x8 areas...
I would set up the drain to waste system.
I would use your money to purchase c02 equipment
AND
Genetics...
I would get you a couple packs of really good genetics and pheno hunt/ plus find a mom and a dad/ procure you some seeds.
IMO I would also drop the 3 gal pots for 1/2 gal square pots( they dry quicker) more watering)
and stuff as many pots as you can in that 4x4 tray. Hit them with c02 and maintain your room environment. When you find your males, cull off all of them but the best one. Take your best female and move them over to the other 4x4 side(put hepa filter over intake and extraction holes) and breed for seeds.
Flower out the other side...

 

[Thejoeybrown]

I dont run CO2 either but it is ideal
and a dual sealed room with CO2
you can murder it
you can easily push 2# out of a 4x4 with CO2

See this is what I'm talking about when I say this is a long term project. I'm not the guy who is gonna move or disappear and tear it town every year. I have a family, a career and finally at a point in my life where I can put my passion to fruition. Like all of us I didn't just wake up one day like "eh I feel like growing some pot today,". I've been helping people and trying to learn and now I'm at a place I can do the things I want the way I want them. The last thing I'm gonna do is short change myself but it will be a process to get to where I want to be

 

[EventHorizan]

With that set up I would already have the shelves for clones and storage. That's ideal. I guess I WAS underplaying what can be accomplished in a 4x4. Also by then I plan on getting a mini split. (I'm buying the house and have 4 young kids so I plan on being here the next 20 years or so) I was talked out of the mini split before but I'm realizing the person was just jealous that he doesn't have a permanent set up and the income to do it. That was my main reason for not dividing the room as the ac would only be on one side.

@EventHorizan sounds like you are running sealed. I will be watching closely k would love to run co2 in a sealed room just all the guys I've learned from don't run that so I'm virgin in that area. Gonna be going thru your runs with a fine tooth comb. Hahha

We can split that ac off any way we need! We could even make the big room a lung room, and use carbon filters extracting out the 4x4 grow chambers, and intaking from the room thats ac/rh/c02 controlled..

Definitely bro. That's what I'm hearing is everyone is going sealed. I have really good ventilation but I'm the type of person that gets all giddy when I can tell you EXACTLY how much co2 is in the air. The whole reason I don't do soil is I need to be in complete control. Lol. Only way to do that is seal it up. Buuuut, baby steps. Hahah.

Oh I understand perfectly.. Ask wish, im the same way. I have control issues :)
Lol but i totally understand!

 

[Thejoeybrown]

I dont know one way or the other about AN.
4x4 tray is awesome. If you want some of my opinions, understand that is what this is..
I would build your box, just like wisher said, as a closet 4x8... partition the middle to give you 2 - 4x8 areas...
I would set up the drain to waste system.
I would use your money to purchase c02 equipment
AND
Genetics...
I would get you a couple packs of really good genetics and pheno hunt/ plus find a mom and a dad/ procure you some seeds.
IMO I would also drop the 3 gal pots for 1/2 gal square pots( they dry quicker) more watering)
and stuff as many pots as you can in that 4x4 tray. Hit them with c02 and maintain your room environment. When you find your males, cull off all of them but the best one. Take your best female and move them over to the other 4x4 side(put hepa filter over intake and extraction holes) and breed for seeds.
Flower out the other side...

One of the main reasons I wanted to get this automated watering was to do smaller pots with more often feedings and like you said squeeze more in. With hand feedin and my busy work schedule it's too much to water twice a day. That's why that is priority number one.

Other than that you guys are basically drawing a portrait of my dream setup. Your guys' guidance is what I needed. Im stubborn and sometimes don't want to admit I need to ask questions. Better get used to me tho hahah you're gonna help me see this through the long haul. Hahaha.