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Looking For A Strain That Can/may Feel Like An Opiate High

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Looking For A Strain That Can/may Feel Like An Opiate High

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Yes dabbie your 100% right.beating withdrawals is the easier bit.the hard bit is having to go back and face the real world without useing.the old saying always applies."take one day at a time".just try not using for that day.think about tomoro wen it gets here.
 
Yes dabbie your 100% right.beating withdrawals is the easier bit.the hard bit is having to go back and face the real world without useing.the old saying always applies."take one day at a time".just try not using for that day.think about tomoro wen it gets here.

I bought my self a sobriety coin to remind me how far ive come, I play with the token every day as a good reminder of why i quit drinking in the first place.. 1 day at a time is right! :D
 
she won't want psychedelics and that's really no garuantee anyhow especially in an unsupervised situation it really spells disaster when trying this at home along with ibogaine its best left to the pro's. as for the vicodin she's taking with the suboxone it's only prolonging her withdrawal. Benzodiazapines are also extremely dangerous while on suboxone or methadone maintenance treatment always a big no no. as for cannabis it's really only going to work in conjuction with sub or m-done treatment possibly increasing there effects some but being there's no opiates it'll never work on its own unfortunately especially with that long of a usage history.
treatment of any kind only works when that person is ready to make the sacrifices it takes to become sobre and live a sobre life and for an opiate addict this is a long road. i wish everybody who's struggling with an addiction the best of luck and that they can live a happy life sobre or even in a long term maintenance program.
 
Shrooms: not only does it let the person escape the pain (mental and physical) from withdrawals but it also gets to the root cause of the addiction. There are tons of research papers proving great benefits using LSD for addictions. The only concern is mixing LSD with any SSI (anti-depressant meds like Zoloft, Prozac etc) and in that case a person should cut their LSD dose in half. Substituting more pharma drugs in not the answer.

Another option is low dosing LSD, maybe just a gram or so to take off the edge off the turkey. It will also give her a taste of what it can do..then if she chooses she can take it to the next level. I went cold turkey getting off benzo's (by myself...young and stupid) and ended up in cardiac arrest and ER. I would have gladly chosen LSD had I known about it. When going through withdrawals you are pretty damn desperate for any type of relief...and it really can't get any worse...it's fucking like living in hell-x100.

I am not saying that using LSD is the best solution for this particular case...it's just an option...and IMO a very good one. Also, a good option is the Gerson Therapy and coffee enemas ( used by Pete Townsend and many other rocker addicts) But hey...lots of ways to skin the cat.

I've dealt with a lot of addicts. When they are ready to clean it up, they do it. When the student is ready, the doctor appears.
 
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i said this somewhere else recently.. ill say it again

AYAHUASCA

i first handed saw a homie THROW UP his heroine addcition into the toilet.. he said he saw a demon then come out of the toilet and disintegrate. he has not done it since

however this consists of natural MAOI's and you have to stop taking all pills for about 3 days

all other psychedelics pale in comparison..

except for when i ate a oz of penis envy mushrooms... that was kinda similar

after all dmt and psilocin are very similar

or at least do a natural maoi + mushrooms... thats kind of similar to ayahuasca
 
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if one were to use psychedelics i would think DMT would be the best choice for a multitude of reasons. as long as its pure dimethyltriptymine and the mind is ready and open it can truly be a quick fix.
 
if one were to use psychedelics i would think DMT would be the best choice for a multitude of reasons. as long as its pure dimethyltriptymine and the mind is ready and open it can truly be a quick fix.
sorry gonna have to disagree with you in the nicest way possible. unless your talkiing about ingesting it orally (pharmahuasca) which is eating pure nndmt and a natural maoi

google it.

but nothing is to be learned from smoking dmt.. its to fast up and down.. no time to comrehend anything.. its recreational not very spiritual.. theyll just b like wtf just happened

on that note and slightly irrelevant i think 5-meo-DMT is of more use the NN-dmt.. its very "deathy" lol
ik that sounds bad but.. theres something comforting about knowing your still alive after your morph into the cosmic sludge.. and makes you appreciate things more
 
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AYAHUASCA Needs to be taken under the guide of a trained professional shaman not something you going to just find around the block standing on the corner waiting to treat your addictions.. Same with ibogaine...

*chants Mushrooms* The most non harmful psychedelic you can subject your self too! which leaves you with a very long and lasting impression.

Ok with that said ive beat this topic to death so .. carry on :D
 
didnt u just quote mckenna?

thats some basic programming right there ;)
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swim has done ayahuasca about 7 times... mostly to go thru the experience with people that he knew need it

you dont have to pay 1000's of dollars to go to some cheeseball camp in the amazon

swim a trained shaman, hit swim up ;)
 
didnt u just quote mckenna?

thats some basic programming right there ;)
we be runnin beta



swim has done ayahuasca about 7 times... mostly to go thru the experience with people that he knew need it

you dont have to pay 1000's of dollars to go to some cheeseball camp in the amazon

I never said go pay 1000's of dollars to drink the puke juice.. I just said it needs to be done under the guise of someone who knows what the fuck is happening to you and can help guide you thru the experience..

and yes i quoted one line of mckenna regarding mushrooms ;)
 
@Shamus i think my swim and your swim have something in common:) I had suggested the ibugane only because its being treated professionally for this exact situation that being said swim most certainly knows when going through serious withdrawals you kinda aint scared of anything and want any sort of escape from the pain, wether that be shrooms lsd etc... death seem ever so nice when your really going through it. Swim was on a year of a serious poppy pod addiction, a lb a week at least and perfected the tea to the utmost echelons:) this was after 2 yrs of opiate abuse and 5 yrs suboxone use. Swim spent a week in jail learning first hand the pain of withdrawal, to get out and have it get worse! bottom line is opiates are the greatest feeling on the planet to those who use them, never really wanting to be off them, just not wanting the dependency is what it comes down too. To think swim used to travel around with a fuckin tea pot and coffee grinder lemons and rolaids:) people on airplanes thought swim was a looney. swim is back on the suboxone with plans to do the ibugane trip in the near future to kick the subs.... Also the use of benzos and subs is dependent on each person, swim was sure as shit prescribed xanax while the DR. was fully aware of the suboxone treatment. best advice is up the subs and then research the proper way to get off those fuckers, that may be the worst of them all, if she already aint having the subs work she might as well tray and kick the habit without them if she's a few days inn already...
 
Like dab said Definitely research Kratom, it acts on the same receptors but is not physically addicting. It also has a spectrum of other alkaloids that are very beneficial. In other forums there's a lot of people who have tapered off by migrating to Kratom.
 
There are several strains of Kratom, Thai "Ma Deng" and Indonesian Bali. The Bali has a very opiate like effect were the Thai is a little more racy.

Congrats to all your brothers doing the right thing in staying away from the opiates. A few hours of bliss is not worth a lifetime of heartache.

I've only been prescribed opiates a few times of my life and the high is the probably the most incredible blissful thing. Opiates is often the only thing that works for people with truly chronic physical pain. God put the poppy plant on earth for a reason, but I do not think it was for man to process it with chemicals and turn it into opiates..... It's here for a reason, but should not be abused.

Shamus wow l I just watch the video thanks for sharing that. I heard the name but never seen anything or read about it. Awesome stuff.
 
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Good info here. Having kicked opiates myself over years of battling it... what personally helped me was:

Ice
Medibud/Medijuana
Herijuana
Cataract Kush
La Confidential
Larry OG/ Deep Sleep
Sour Diesel/Chemdog

Anything generally high in CBD and/ or the terpenes myrcene and humulene should really help. All of those can generally give a strong narcotic type of buzz, heavy behind the eyes and just pretty intense in general. There are some high CBD strains like harlequin, harle-tsu, cannatonic but they can sometimes not be psychadelic which really helps with the mental aspect of recovery.

Overall though, once u go down that rabbit hole, its a long step in the opposite direction and most things (especially substitutional therapy aka methadone, suboxone, subutex) are only putting a temporary band-aid on a re-occurring wound. Best of luck to your friend and One Love :)
 
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Have her try eating a strong thc dose 80 mg or so of a thc edible (or some wax) along with her methadone or whatever opiate shes winding down on. And keep eating the edibles along with her pills, for a bit, and slowly ween the opiates out and continue eating the edibles. It works, I promise. Its a stoner/junkie science... there is something about the opiate receptors and thc receptors replacing the other. I know of 4 success stories, using this method. Good Luck to your friend.
 
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