Looking For Advice On My Start (rdwc &a Led)

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Tent: 48" 48" 80"
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00H9O6UJ0/ref=ox_sc_act_image_1?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&psc=1

With ventilation and carbon filter

Light: LED 600w
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B01HYUO9VY/ref=ox_sc_act_image_5?smid=A1FIU912CDMNTR&psc=1

RDWC system:
https://h2otogro.ecwid.com/Complete-kit-05-~-4-site-Recirculating-Bubbler-p52769680

Was looking to grow three plants, I know that system is for four plants, but I won't use that 4th bucket. I just can't find a 3 bucket RDWC system. My main question is wether or not that light will suffice for 3 plants. I know it's it's not extravagant but I'd like to use LED. If that light is total shit, is there any LED that someone can advise around the $100-300(max) price range.
 
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Not sure on the HIGROW brand, but if its anything like my mars 600 led that draws 272 watts it will grow 3-4 medium plants nicely. If your growing in a 48"x 48" You might want to think about getting (2) 300 watt light's intead of (1) 600watt to spread the light out and fill that space.
 
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Polar510 said:
Not sure on the HIGROW brand, but if its anything like my mars 600 led that draws 272 watts it will grow 3-4 medium plants nicely. If your growing in a 48"x 48" You might want to think about getting (2) 300 watt light's intead of (1) 600watt to spread the light out and fill that space.
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https://www.amazon.com/MarsHydro-Mars600-Spectrum-Certificate-Hydroponic/dp/B00XC3LBIW

Is this the LED you use? I like this one.
Also, I was worried about that 48" 48" being so big, but I figured if I keep my number of plants around 2-3 (4max) and keep them directly under the light, I should be fine. Or maybe get a slightly smaller tent because I think that tent can handle like 6 plants.
 
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I can't edit my last post, but I noticed 2 300w are the same price is 1 600, so I'll prob take ur advice to make sure the plants are getting sufficient lighting.
 
mandalaman

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So, i wouldn't recommend that RDWC system. Below are my reasons why.

While rockwool is doable in RDWC it's not ideal (in my opinion). I wouldn't trust a preconfigured RDWC kit that utilizes rockwool.

You don't need the airstones. In fact, as a member @FooDoo has been kind enough to bring us along on his RDWC finding he has shown airstones likely cause more harm than good.

You could put a simple DIY together similar to that Setup for less money and without much work. Plus you'd become intimately familiar with how the system works and I believe become a better grower as a result.

My guess is you'll be disappointed with that light in a 4x4.

I'm a big fan of Apollo tents. In fact I have that exact tent.

How handy would you consider yourself?

I hope FooDoo chimes in, as he has been of tremendous assistance to me with some of my RDWC issues.
 
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Polar510 said:
Not sure on the HIGROW brand, but if its anything like my mars 600 led that draws 272 watts it will grow 3-4 medium plants nicely. If your growing in a 48"x 48" You might want to think about getting (2) 300 watt light's intead of (1) 600watt to spread the light out and fill that space.
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My thoughts too.. either get a kind k51000 to run over 3, or get 2 315w CMh lights. Just my opinion. But if you go Led.. you get what you pay for. Believe me. Also figure, what, 1/2-1 g per true watt... so if you're tripping on yield.. go bigger. $1400 will get you a badass light tho. I have k5 750, thinking about adding a k5 1000 tho. Amazing lights, easy to program, then just let them rage. :)
 
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I'd love to talk you out of airstones. But I'm not the one to do it. :D

Good to see you made your decision and are just going to start. That's the most important thing.
 
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Thx for the replies!
The K51000 is an amazing looking light, unfortunately it's out of my price range. I'd like to keep my set up within a reasonable price range of me, and upgrade as I become more experienced.
I seem to have my grow tent setup figured out, the only thing I'm missing is a reasonable light for that 3foot x 3foot grow room. I liked that mars LED, that was advised; however, you guys are correct when you say "you get what you pay for", it would be a shame to get started just to learn my light is shit.


Also, I figured you were against air stones in a RDWC system, not a DWC. What's the problem with air stones? How do the planets get oxygenated water without one?
 
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In a RDWC system 4 bucket system the splash of the water splashing back into the control bucket will provide plenty of aeration. I think FooDoo is running 16 buckets on just the return flow connected to a T to provide more splash (I believe).

Are you running DWC or RDWC?
 
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Also, if using just the splash in the control bucket you want your water level higher than if using a waterfall in each bucket, for example.
 
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mandalaman said:
This thread has tons of great information:

https://www.thcfarmer.com/community/threads/could-air-stones-be-doing-more-harm-than-good.86095/

Also I would consider a 315cmh for the 3x3. Have you looked into any yet?
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I decided to go with a DWC. I couldn't find a RDWC that I liked. And I really don't wanna make one. My original plan was to turn 5 gallon buckets into a simple DWC system, but I'm thinking of using a 10gal Walmart storage toter, and using that as a DWC for two plants per toter. Changing the water/adding water seemed like a pain in the ass for the buckets. At least with the toter I can make an attional hole to siphon water and check the levels.


Here is a 315 LEC I found that I seen a lot of people using.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00HBCV8T...UTF8&colid=2OEUMIEMRUYTI&coliid=IATQ0HO1WJYPE

I'm going to read that air stone link now.


Edit: the more research I do Toward that 315 LEC, the more I like it. Seems like a solid lighting system for a 3x3 grow room, perfect for 3-4 plants.
 
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That's too pricy in my opinion. @DemonTrich knows his CMH. I think he generally recommends a prism ballast and philips bulb (4200k veg, 3100k flower).


But it should be perfect for a 3x3.

You could always do a 1 plant RDWC and it's incredibly easy to make. They even have kits you can purchase. I have a two plant RDWC in my 3x3 now (under LED) and after harvest and converting it to a one plant RDWC myself.

Check out growershouse.com for the lights (and other things)
 
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Also, take a look at the hood they use when they post their specs. Different hoods react differently. I use big kahuna hoods. In veg I'm about 1' away. In flower, after stretch, I'm now about 1' away. No problems at all. I use big kahuna hoods.

This allows me.a closer distance with out frying the plants.
 
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Hey fellas, thx for the replies.
Soo I've been looking into that big kahuna hood, the ones that I found seemed pretty big and would need to be assembled with a ballast and lamps. I feel like the tent would be pressed for space with that giant hood with a vent w/ carbon filter. I also so other ppl saying they need more than that to get their lamp setups complete. I concider myself somewhat handy but I'd like to keep the handy work to a minimum.

I did find that same CLE fixture on that website for about 10$ cheaper than Amazon, and comes with a 4200 lamp, and I'll only need to buy the 3100 lamp for flowering. And this sun system brand seems pretty legit with other growers.

http://growershouse.com/sun-system-lec-315w-light-ceramic-mh-cmh-fixture-120v-4200k


Something I just realized is, if my grow tent is only going to be around 5'3, and that LEC lights needs to be around 18'-20' away from the canopy, won't I run out of room if I'm growing sativas? Or can use plant training (manipulate the stems) to make my plants grow sideways? Or should I just look for a 3 x 3 x and About 6 foot high?

As for RDWC kits I couldn't find any. I did find a nice little 4 plant RDWC on Home Depot
http://m.homedepot.com/p/Viagrow-Re...336niutxsy-JdDoehRhTVwzj5N7pIotmFchoCIW_w_wcB

Some ppl
Did say that it was missing parts thought.

I think until I become more experienced I'm going to make a 2 plant DWC system using 10 gal Walmart storage containers. That way I can easily change the water. Also if I'm growing 4 plants I'll
Only need to do 2 water changes instead of 4.
 
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