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[Microman]

I'm new too, I used the clips. They are photoperiod, so I had extra time to play. These are my results...

Looks damn good if u ask me, man I wish I had a big enough area to grow more then one .

 

[WhatsHeDoingToday]

My man I appreciate you big dawg I just ordered hydroguard be here Tuesday, I do have a question about that I fed her, her 2nd Vega fed yesterday so I’m not do for another feed till Sat (feed once a week) I gave her 1/4 of what was called for next feed will be 1/2 my question is should I feed the hydroguard the week of feeding or should I do a micro feed of the hydroguard and the armor si! Or just wait to feed all that in the order u gave me earlier in 6 days? Thanks again bro I appreciate you more then u know and I’ll definitely keep u updated

 

[closettrapper217]

I tried training my apple fritter auto yesterday and I screwed the pooch. Snapped the main cola. It’s still together but I definitely bent it more that I should’ve. Hopefully she pulls through. View attachment 2485102I guess it didn’t hurt it too bad the top is already pointing up.

Happens to the best of us. I did this on a plant just the other day. Part of the learning curve but should heal up just fine.

Goes to show you how vigorous these plants are and how much they can take

 

[WhatsHeDoingToday]

So, I recommend to mix you nutrients into one batch all at the same time. You don't want nutrient lockout so take these steps when you mix your batch and do it in the right order every time. When you feed your plant alternate your nutrient batch to every other feeding session. Nutrient batch that is ph proper and then next feed just water that is chlorine free, and PH balanced. If your using tap water then give it 48 hours for the chlorine to evaporate before using it for Nutrient or plain ph water feed. When mixing add the armor SI first, stir and then cal mag 2nd, if using general hydroponics then add floramicro 3rd, floragro 4th, florabloom 5th, follow the dosage but you can cut in half at first and monitor the plants each week for signs of over or under nutrient feeding. If you have a ppm meter you should measure the ppm after you have mixed the half strength nutrient. Remember, to follow the exact order and mix thoroughly, YOU WANT TO AVOID NUTRIENT LOCKOUT! If you see the plant drooping heavily you can mix some hydro guard into the water feed and then ph it to proper range before feeding it. If your using fabric bags they breathe better than a pot but I have to say you are going to be fine with this grow... Your humidity is gonna rise when and when you lollipop is will provide much better airflow so that will help with too much humidity. There are other growers here with more experience than myself and I would ask then to chime in because more experience in the group the better the troubleshooting... Good Luck with Your Grow! P.S. check the date on your hydroguard when you get it...Keep in a cool dark location and use it within 6 months of the date on the container.

 

[closettrapper217]

U have some nice ladies bro, if u read back in this thread u will see me talking about the plant I have now that droops really bad pics included it happens every time at the same time since week 2 of it being out the ground it does this 2 hrs before lights are off and Jim was saying it could be my DLI light is too much my lights where at 18” I moved it up to 22-23” beings why we were talking about the inline fans going on the outside. My question for u is have u seen anything like this before? And if so what can be the issue? Think its a little early to tell lights only been up now 12 hrs but before light went off 40 min ago it dropped again so idk if it is or is not DLI issue or it just ain’t had enough time for it to stop the plant from dropping

It’s just the plant going to sleep. Some do it. Some don’t. But you can google it and read all about it. lol

Also when training keep your end goal on mind. I see a lot of people bending and straining plants for no reason. If it’s not going to expose a cola to the light or even out your canopy you’re stressing out your plant for no reason.

Honestly look at people’s pictures of the weed they are growing. If it looks like twigs or god forbid they are on a forum and never post pics of their plants because they probably don’t even grow don’t take their advice haha I literally learned to grow by looking at people’s pictures posts in here that grow fire and asking questions.

Also I agree that armor si is a game changer. All that other gh stuff should go in the bin though just my opinion lmao

 

[JIMKSI64]

After 4 of these Autos Apple Fritter a lot of the points on growing are a lot easier.
1. It's a nitrogen and light hog in veg. My nitrogen amendments are planned through week 9. It does not like higher heat.
2. The stretch is not a double. Not one time. Trying to train this pheno in an auto will strand your buds in space and leave you with weak stems.
3. This auto is just a tiny mini plant. Due to enforced flowering and a not great stretch you are not getting 3 foot plants with 5 oz a plant but it does have the fire. Well formed buds and longer stem runs but you must have the flower tops pointing up for a week before fur starts or your buds will be shorter and airy.
Steering node placement should work with this pheno and I am trying this on 2 plants next run. This is a process of higher light to light off a node and weaker light to stretch it for the next placement. Another grower found success with this but has not tested it on this AFAuto. He was able to get an average of 8 nodes up his plants and 4 of his runs were also double topped giving him a sh•t load of stems pointing up at flower.
This pheno responded well to curbing light the last 1-2 hours late in flower with no heat support. Reduction of 25% and allowing temp drop of 1/2 the nighttime landing temp. Bro science has this resulting in a resin response. All I know is the stems were clicking and snapping but the pot is so oily it climbs to 68% in a cure jars and has a nice smell developing as the internals dry and spread out through the flower. Daily burping bud weed to oily to burn well.

About 2 weeks left on the front one but a while left on the untopped missile. Just started retracting pistles and color change this am.

 

[franklygrown]

Looks damn good if u ask me, man I wish I had a big enough area to grow more then one .

It seems to me a tall skinny side lit plant might be productive for you. I've not seen it done, but I'm certain someone has tried, likely someone on this site. Perhaps that's a question for a new thread? Or something better achieved with a photoperiod plant?

 

[Microman]

It seems to me a tall skinny side lit plant might be productive for you. I've not seen it done, but I'm certain someone has tried, likely someone on this site. Perhaps that's a question for a new thread? Or something better achieved with a photoperiod plant?

I have some photo beans I may go photo next grow my issue is my grow area leaks a little light that will need to be addressed before I flip her.

 

[Microman]

After 4 of these Autos Apple Fritter a lot of the points on growing are a lot easier.
1. It's a nitrogen and light hog in veg. My nitrogen amendments are planned through week 9. It does not like higher heat.
2. The stretch is not a double. Not one time. Trying to train this pheno in an auto will strand your buds in space and leave you with weak stems.
3. This auto is just a tiny mini plant. Due to enforced flowering and a not great stretch you are not getting 3 foot plants with 5 oz a plant but it does have the fire. Well formed buds and longer stem runs but you must have the flower tops pointing up for a week before fur starts or your buds will be shorter and airy.
Steering node placement should work with this pheno and I am trying this on 2 plants next run. This is a process of higher light to light off a node and weaker light to stretch it for the next placement. Another grower found success with this but has not tested it on this AFAuto. He was able to get an average of 8 nodes up his plants and 4 of his runs were also double topped giving him a sh•t load of stems pointing up at flower.
This pheno responded well to curbing light the last 1-2 hours late in flower with no heat support. Reduction of 25% and allowing temp drop of 1/2 the nighttime landing temp. Bro science has this resulting in a resin response. All I know is the stems were clicking and snapping but the pot is so oily it climbs to 68% in a cure jars and has a nice smell developing as the internals dry and spread out through the flower. Daily burping bud weed to oily to burn well.
View attachment 2486146
About 2 weeks left on the front one but a while left on the untopped missile. Just started retracting pistles and color change this am.

She looks good bro u did a good job on her

 

[closettrapper217]

I tried training my apple fritter auto yesterday and I screwed the pooch. Snapped the main cola. It’s still together but I definitely bent it more that I should’ve. Hopefully she pulls through. View attachment 2485102I guess it didn’t hurt it too bad the top is already pointing up.

Here’s mine I broke a few days ago. Just let it ride lol didn’t even slow it down

 

[Microman]

It’s just the plant going to sleep. Some do it. Some don’t. But you can google it and read all about it. lol

Also when training keep your end goal on mind. I see a lot of people bending and straining plants for no reason. If it’s not going to expose a cola to the light or even out your canopy you’re stressing out your plant for no reason.

Honestly look at people’s pictures of the weed they are growing. If it looks like twigs or god forbid they are on a forum and never post pics of their plants because they probably don’t even grow don’t take their advice haha I literally learned to grow by looking at people’s pictures posts in here that grow fire and asking questions.

Also I agree that armor si is a game changer. All that other gh stuff should go in the bin though just my opinion lmao

Yea I agree with u I’ve seen that as well, my end goal is to make it look as much as a azalea bush as possible and as for the sleeping and leaves drooping that’s my thought too only thing is I’ve seen what these plants to raise relax raise relax but mine idk man she just looks so bad everytime she drops but she comes right back that’s what makes me think it’s just the genetics u know?either way I have stuff coming to take care of the roots rather I need it or not won’t hurt if anything will make it better.

 

[JIMKSI64]

I have some photo beans I may go photo next grow my issue is my grow area leaks a little light that will need to be addressed before I flip her.

if it's a door get some edge felt strips where the door closes. I just found a magnetic closing door blanket and am going to put it up at the top of the basement stairs to stop my AC going downstairs.

 

[Microman]

if it's a door get some edge felt strips where the door closes. I just found a magnetic closing door blanket and am going to put it up at the top of the basement stairs to stop my AC going downstairs.

Yea it’s a door it’s just a closet it’s a pain in the ass to work in lol but I’m managing and ok I’ll definitely look into it I have a new light coming one that has a dimble it’s the ac infinity s22 hear it’s one of the better grow lights better canopy penetrating power so we will see at the moment I have the mars hydro ts600 and I don’t care for it cuz I can’t turn it down so yea we will see

 

[JIMKSI64]

Ok if you look at the par map for the ts600 at 18 inches up it is at about 500 ppfd in the center. This would be ok for the start of flower but just doing a quick and dirty math it runs at 12 986 ppfd
14 660 ppfd
18 510 ppfd
You can see that the pattern at 18 inches falls off on the edges very quickly. You can use that. By moving the light up more for a weaker power or to the outward edge you can drop the power hitting your plant to safe levels.
Estimate center down to 325-400 ppfd at 22 inches from plant. Any higher and the energy level would not grow a good plant.
With an adjustable light you still need 2 things. One is a simple light measurement and at this point it does not have to be accurate. You can get the ppfd free app for a phone and as long as you take the time to set it up properly it will work for what you want to do.
I measure in lux with a $35 Bluetooth tool. It's fast and easy and I can build maps with it for different light levels and such but that's a waste of time with a single plant.
You are looking for a light energy that gets the plant to grow at a good rate but does not get stretched where the next node is 4 inches up. This grows weak stems. But you do not want to see a 1/2 inch between nodes cause fan leafs are hard to manage in a squat 5 node plant that never made it over 7 inches tall.
You WILL learn how to judge this by looking at the plant and comparing it to other growers. Hey it literally took me 9 seeds and 4 plants to figure out this one pheno auto where I think I got the next ones covered.
Cool hobby.

 

[Microman]

Ok if you look at the par map for the ts600 at 18 inches up it is at about 500 ppfd in the center. This would be ok for the start of flower but just doing a quick and dirty math it runs at 12 986 ppfd
14 660 ppfd
18 510 ppfd
You can see that the pattern at 18 inches falls off on the edges very quickly. You can use that. By moving the light up more for a weaker power or to the outward edge you can drop the power hitting your plant to safe levels.
Estimate center down to 325-400 ppfd at 22 inches from plant. Any higher and the energy level would not grow a good plant.
With an adjustable light you still need 2 things. One is a simple light measurement and at this point it does not have to be accurate. You can get the ppfd free app for a phone and as long as you take the time to set it up properly it will work for what you want to do.
I measure in lux with a $35 Bluetooth tool. It's fast and easy and I can build maps with it for different light levels and such but that's a waste of time with a single plant.
You are looking for a light energy that gets the plant to grow at a good rate but does not get stretched where the next node is 4 inches up. This grows weak stems. But you do not want to see a 1/2 inch between nodes cause fan leafs are hard to manage in a squat 5 node plant that never made it over 7 inches tall.
You WILL learn how to judge this by looking at the plant and comparing it to other growers. Hey it literally took me 9 seeds and 4 plants to figure out this one pheno auto where I think I got the next ones covered.
Cool hobby.

Yea I have it moved up to 22 plant seems to be thriving, however it still droops before lights off so idk I did buy a new light the AC infinity s22 read it’s a good light a little more watts I need for bud development and a dimple to turn the light back think it was a good move and definitely having fun learning. Thanks again my man.

 

[Microman]

Her this morning either way I think moving the light up to 22” made her over all health better she’s still dropping before lights off I’ll continue to monitor it. Thanks to everyone’s advice and pointers.

 

[Captspaulding]

Thank you both for your replies, and Capt thank you all the pics and videos will help alot. This lady however is a autoflower so I don’t believe or I read any how that anything other the LST is probably not the best thing for the plant with the recovery time and all. I tried using stacks bro and it’s way too loose in the soil I push it down and it pulls back up more then I like how do you control that issue? And yes since my grow area is so small we are talking 1.6 x 20x1.6 I have plenty head room at 60 inches it’s a closet converted into a micro grow so I want to shape it like a Azalea Bush if u know what they look like kinda short and bushy is what I’m attempting.

You just really need longer stakes if they pull right back up you just need them. They need to be longer that’s all.
Sorry for the late reply I’ve been out central shit the bed so I took the wife out of town for a couple days

 

[Captspaulding]

Aight moved the light up to 22-23 see what it does. Thanks ago for your advice my man, best wishes to you , that’s her now see how she’s popped back up? Crazy how they do this .

Yeah man, a lot of the time raising your light is the ticket. I keep every all of mine at 30 inches above canopy the entire friggin run.

 

[Captspaulding]

Yea I have it moved up to 22 plant seems to be thriving, however it still droops before lights off so idk I did buy a new light the AC infinity s22 read it’s a good light a little more watts I need for bud development and a dimple to turn the light back think it was a good move and definitely having fun learning. Thanks again my man.

If it’s still drooping before lights out and you have it set to 22 inches go ahead and raise it up to 30 and back down your output about 10%

 

[Newbgrower1]

Happens to the best of us. I did this on a plant just the other day. Part of the learning curve but should heal up just fine.

Goes to show you how vigorous these plants are and how much they can take

They definitely can take a beating lol. My main stem on one of my outdoor photos snapped in the wind. I should Say split in half. And she’s doing great now. Biggest plant I have going.