EventHorizan
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cool beans.. Im leaving now.. Should be there soon :(
cool beans.. Im leaving now.. Should be there soon :(Hahahaha
That is the main thing. What works for one might not work for another. It's all about what benefits you.
And like I said before this is about gaining small advantages. I don't think a plant that harvested 1/2 lb could have harvested 3/4 if defoliated. Not at all. But any small advantages YOU can gain and imply to YOUR Grow is the idea. It's the small details. It could prove to be worthless or even detrimental TO ME. or it could prove to add a small amount to MY bud production. And if it does I want it to be shared with others so they can decide if it's something that would help THEM.
My feeling is that in my situation it will help. with 1 1k light I don't want to go outside a 4x4 area. It will allow more budsites to thrive and receive more light and much more airflow.
I'm jumping over to your thread to bug you now. I don't want to annoy anyone on here. I enjoy discussing this stuff I hope nobody got annoyed. Lol
Yes I have read a few things and like I was saying earlier it is hard to find marijuana specific studies because they do not have the resources or funding to do a real study.I defol for many reasons and actually light is pretty far down the list
to me it stops the plant from stretching and redirects its energy into focusing on flowers
causes certain hormones to kick in
it knows that it is in flower and wants to procreate and when all the leaves are gone it knows it has to push those flowers out to finish
if you have all your canopy even
it will redirect to all tops recieving light
I also notice that whether you defol or not
depending on the genetics
the plant will either grow good buds all the way down or it wont
with my Landrace she is producing buds all the way down
that are as big as my top colas on my indica
and I would have to reiterate that differ strokes for differ folks
for instance
I very much Dislike DWC/RDWC
but I began helping @EventHorizan and have tried to help him along as much as my knowledge base can
liking the grow style he likes is not the main focus
the main focus is building his knowledge and experience in what he wants because the end product is always the same
Cannabis
lest we not forget this
we need to stop bashing people for our disagreements
and by the way
I think that many good scientific pappers were posted on the subject of defol on differ crops
and they have always been positive
every large scale grower defols *shhhh*
the dude that I learned from used to strip leaves once a week from veg to about day 21 of flower....in the early 90's
I do it at day 14 of flower to stop stretch and distribute auxins
but this is me
there you go again lol...I very much Dislike DWC/RDWC
but I began helping @EventHorizan and have tried to help him along as much as my knowledge base can
and I have givin him all the knowledge I have......and he has choosen his destinythere you go again lol...
He is right,,, im am a Right Wing RDWC extremist.......
Father,, it was my destiny!
root rot loland I have givin him all the knowledge I have......and he has choosen his destiny
What's this about bro? Chill out. Yah I've done my research. Here ya go. It's science bro not opinion. I literally laid out the science and told him to draw his own conclusion.Oh slow down on going there! Demon is a great grower yes, but a potm picture isnt shit nor is winning an online pic contest. I won grower of the month! Really! Get the truck out of here with that bs!
Hell a new grower got top 3, with a bum ass pic.. This is a retarded ass conversation because of a lot of innuendos for personal gain. There aint one mutherfreaker here with a degree!
To defol or not to defol, who gives a fuck? None of us have the same setup, lights, environment. As for the opinions of more than just this thread, Some of them commenting use hid lights, some use c02, and some cant even spell c02..
I see members that just made it thru there first grow commenting...Oh great you made it to harvest with a plant in ffof feeding water and tea! Well son of a beach you ought to join nasa, and end the food shortage problem... I can take demon and put him in an RDWC system, and I guarantee he is gonna stub his toe! So anybody here that thinks there smarter, or better, is bullshit.. And what are we talking? Another 100 grams? 200? Most of them commenters are prob losing more than that in their showty setup... So many diff things go into this...
And just for the record i stripped all the fans off, and with in a week it was so full I had to do it again!
What was my thoughts on it? A lot more investigation into WHY IT WORKS FOR SOME AND NOT FOR OTHERS, BECAUSE THE TRUTH IS
IT DOES WORK FOR SOME, AND NOT SO WELL FOR OTHERS..
So a real seeker of knowledge would not hurl insults at someone for experimenting, instead he would lay out the ways to help pull that info from the experiments..
Oh and I got 20000 likes for my posts, so I must be super Paw Paw Zan the growing machine...
Ya sure Bo.....
cmon brothers, Are we brothers together in the struggle, or are we all just a bunch of self righteous assholes who are trying to outshow one another...
If someone wants to defol, urge them on, and help them make good decisions when!
See that is what this thread should be about.
When, and why, and your opinion on that!
Just taking demons word for it, wtf is he, Ed Rosenthal?
Just another grower... that doesnt even have the experience of rdwc to even quote on, so how can somebody who hasnt used all effective growing parameters be able to honestly comment about the effects of defol in DWC, where growth and new fan growth is exponentially higher!
Dont take that to hard deamon, I needed someone to use as an example and since he thew you out there, i used you as the example.. My point isnt that you dont know what your doing, my point is that ppl instead of doing their own research, instead just take someones word for it... and then repost it when someone else is asking for previous advice to do their own experiment, and make their own decision!
AND YOU KNOW I JUST GAVE YOU PROPS ON YOUR POTM WINNER IN WHICH I VOTED FOR YOU :)
I see a lot of times on here when someone shoots down somebody else for experimenting...
Here is ther truth for all of us..
Aint none of us special!
This isnt some great thing to accomplish.
Its pretty simple to be honest and all the bs repeated in these forums is what makes it hard...
Rant over...
You can continue with your ORIGINALLY SCHEDULED PROGRAMMING :)
What's this about bro? Chill out. Yah I've done my research. Here ya go. It's science bro not opinion. I literally laid out the science and told him to draw his own conclusion.
"Manipulation experiments
Manipulating the source:sink balance shows that source and sink strengths often operate below their full potential, due to the limitations imposed by environmental and developmental changes discussed above. Historically, such manipulations involved physically manipulating the plant or its environment: for example, source activity may be altered by elevated CO2, defoliation, or shading, while sink activity may be altered by sink removal or sink chilling. However, modern genetic approaches may now be used to alter source and sink activity with greater elegance. Table 1 outlines a range of source:sink manipulations and summarizes their results. Broadly speaking, increasing either source or sink may increase growth, suggesting that both can limit growth to a certain extent. Sources and sinks regulate each other by molecular feedback mechanisms (discussed later), and evidence for these is seen at the whole-plant scale when manipulation of the source affects sink activity, and vice versa."
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My bad,,, I hadnt smoked yet...What's this about bro? Chill out. Yah I've done my research. Here ya go. It's science bro not opinion. I literally laid out the science and told him to draw his own conclusion.
"Manipulation experiments
Manipulating the source:sink balance shows that source and sink strengths often operate below their full potential, due to the limitations imposed by environmental and developmental changes discussed above. Historically, such manipulations involved physically manipulating the plant or its environment: for example, source activity may be altered by elevated CO2, defoliation, or shading, while sink activity may be altered by sink removal or sink chilling. However, modern genetic approaches may now be used to alter source and sink activity with greater elegance. Table 1 outlines a range of source:sink manipulations and summarizes their results. Broadly speaking, increasing either source or sink may increase growth, suggesting that both can limit growth to a certain extent. Sources and sinks regulate each other by molecular feedback mechanisms (discussed later), and evidence for these is seen at the whole-plant scale when manipulation of the source affects sink activity, and vice versa."
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It's cool. You caught me way off guard. You have to understand that I research everything because listening to what a guy tells you grows the best bud ever ends up being a waste of money. NTG is about cutting out any bottles so we don't research the newest nute line. We research a better way to get worm poop in your plant. Our goal is to get to a closed loop. That's what i research. You can probably tell me the best new hydro pump....i know zilch about hydro. I would hit a wall at 100mph. Not just stub mah toeMy bad,,, I hadnt smoked yet...
It did come off a lil more harsh than my intentions...
My apology!
U might say I was low on the SOURCE
and high in the sink :)
I understand. I know pretty much nothing about organic.It's cool. You caught me way off guard. You have to understand that I research everything because listening to what a guy tells you grows the best bud ever ends up being a waste of money. NTG is about cutting out any bottles so we don't research the newest nute line. We research a better way to get worm poop in your plant. Our goal is to get to a closed loop. That's what i research. You can probably tell me the best new hydro pump....i know zilch about hydro. I would hit a wall at 100mph. Not just stub mah toe
I've wasted enough money
I also want.to mention you don't want your plant focusing sugars on growing leaves. The stretch happens to your roots too. Save you sugar for the growth that isn't already there...lol
I am not trying to be a dick but your science papers literally have nothing to do with defoliating cannabisWhat's this about bro? Chill out. Yah I've done my research. Here ya go. It's science bro not opinion. I literally laid out the science and told him to draw his own conclusion.
"Manipulation experiments
Manipulating the source:sink balance shows that source and sink strengths often operate below their full potential, due to the limitations imposed by environmental and developmental changes discussed above. Historically, such manipulations involved physically manipulating the plant or its environment: for example, source activity may be altered by elevated CO2, defoliation, or shading, while sink activity may be altered by sink removal or sink chilling. However, modern genetic approaches may now be used to alter source and sink activity with greater elegance. Table 1 outlines a range of source:sink manipulations and summarizes their results. Broadly speaking, increasing either source or sink may increase growth, suggesting that both can limit growth to a certain extent. Sources and sinks regulate each other by molecular feedback mechanisms (discussed later), and evidence for these is seen at the whole-plant scale when manipulation of the source affects sink activity, and vice versa."
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Perhaps...in organics our plant regulates nitrogen uptake as long as everything else is in check and they don't like it at all in flower because our sources are full. I don't get much above ground stretch. I need my stretch in the roots. You can tune your feeds. See there's my lack of hydro knowledge. We dont really get much leaf regrowth. I would basically stunt all aspects of the plants process.I understand. I know pretty much nothing about organic.
Its all good..
Maybe tho, in hydro, I grow them leaves back in a few days where it takes soil over 2 weeks... Knowing that would u consider that we both might have 2 different outcomes?
And if you agree with that, do you also think it a dumb statement to tell another grower that if he tries that, he might as well pack his shit up. and buy from a dispensary? I just thought that was kind of harsh, and then Mcds ran out of lettuce, and it went down hill from there!
I'm not seeing how it has nothing to do with the topic. It literally states the exact topic. It had negative effect on crops across the board. I don't want to argue about it. It is what it is.I am not trying to be a dick but your science papers literally have nothing to do with defoliating cannabis
not only did they not test on cannabis but they were testing specifically for speed of production which has nothing to do with defol cannabis
as well
Large fan leaves store nutrients for plant growth *taller/more branches/thicker stalk*
bud sites have their own fan/water leaves that solely consentration on growin flowers
your arguement is completely mute
earlier in this thread there were science papers posted about defol upping crop production
not specifically speeding up production
see what pisses me off about arguements like these are the "Anti's"
always bring out papers that have nothing to do with the topic at hand but they always try to corolate it with much stretch...to the topic at hand
which is upping flower production by defoliating
has nothing to do with Sinks and faster growth
yeah....if I Want to slow down my plants in veg....heavy defol
sets them back about a week
day 14 of flower defol
sets them back maybe a few days to a week depending on CO2 enrichment or not
but then you will notice you just grow buds....heavy buds
bottom line
if anyone on this message board can show me a grow....equal to say "The Jungle Boys"/TLC collective not being defoled I will eat crow
every single commercial grower
from Nevada to Washington Stae and right here in Cali......to A-dam all defol
they either are doing it wrong or.........
again please dont take this the wrong way....I am not trying to bash you
but what I noticed is you have a preconceived notion of your belief system and you go find science that may back it....if you stretch it a little
show me a paper that is a pier reviewed blind study specifically conducting defol techniques on cannabis plants and I will bow to your Science.....until then it is all junk science.....
Well idk about that.. What I do know is that im a rookie, but you better bring the whole damn science department from UCLA if you want to debate this with wisher.. The boy has done his homework!Perhaps...in organics our plant regulates nitrogen uptake as long as everything else is in check and they don't like it at all in flower because our sources are full. I don't get much above ground stretch. I need my stretch in the roots. You can tune your feeds. See there's my lack of hydro knowledge. We dont really get much leaf regrowth. I would basically stunt all aspects of the plants process.
I'm not seeing how it has nothing to do with the topic. It literally states the exact topic. It had negative effect on crops across the board. I don't want to argue about it. It is what it is.
This is what growers such as Clackamas coot and those guys used to perfect their grows. They have developed a tried and true system by researching agricultural science papers.
It's the best comparison we as cannabis growers have as of yet but I think it worked for coots....people buy his soil for the cost of fox farms.
Have you heard of a seed sprout tea? That concept came from agricultural research studies. Cannabis is not some Martian plant. Its life cycle most closely resembles a.fruiting plant.
Thats right! Show dem homie, Tupac aint dead :)I think I will do an experiment for the *organic* growers
I will defol completely an in ground "No Till/No Feed/No Water" plant
I will take a pic every day and post it here
that is why you lollipop..You can see how tiny the buds are on the bottom half of the plant.
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