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It's time for a new journey & a new diary & i will be completely honest I was going to do this diary once I had reached harvested with pics and video and skip the all boring veg phase, but I soon found myself with a lot more work and a lot more content than Id like so I thought let me start this diary and update it on a monthly bases.



OK so what are we doing this time?



SETUP:

We doing 15L & 20L autopots

A side by side of organic and synthetic

Organics are setup using 12mm lead piping and valve 5s

Syntheic is setup using 6mm lead pipe with standard valves

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MEDIUM:

For synthetics we going with perlite & coco (washed and buffered a week before potting)



For organics with going with coco & perlite ammended with malted barley, kelp meal, guano, frass, dolomite, biochar, aloe, alfalfa & Bokashi

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STRAINS:

The strains will be Super Silver, K-2, Zkittlez & original glue by Nirvana



LIGHTS:

This time we pulling out the Mars Hydro SP 3000 from the start with the help from the Leon 200, that's more than enough power in the hood for this grow

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I started off germination with some water in a cup and after 2 days potted in coco on a heat mat for 2 weeks in the dome with very light feed every 4 days

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5 days later...

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All but 2 didn't sprout. Well.. One was very late to the party

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the other one never showed face so I decide to pop anther zkittlez seed

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At the end of 2 weeks they were ready to be transplanted into their final pots

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Right side synthetics. Left side organics. At this point I had to top feed for at least 2 weeks before the roots were established in the Autopot system

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After 2 weeks of top feeding its was finally time to turn on the systems

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Some nice socks for the ladies.. Looks more like a water tube.. (well they are going for a swim after all)

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sportyridr

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Nothing to report for this week.

Ladies entering their 2nd week of veg and they looking alright

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GG & Zkittlez in organic

Gave them some microbes aswel Over Here

That's it for this week 😅

Looking hearty and ready to grow man...

Man that's alot of coco in there, I guess that's a 5' x 5' tent. You have a reg grow room as well right?...or am I thinking someone elses thread 🤪 Looks like she's gonna be full...terrible problem to have I know 😄

What are you feeding the synth grow may I ask? pH, EC etc all that stuff cause I'm nosey lol.

Do you have any early on thoughts about the Autopots so far?

Looks like I'm not gonna make my "AP's on" by Labour Day Weekend next weekend due to my stupidity...going to push as hard as I can tho but not lookin likely 😒...
 
Marzcanna

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Looking hearty and ready to grow man...

Man that's alot of coco in there, I guess that's a 5' x 5' tent. You have a reg grow room as well right?...or am I thinking someone elses thread 🤪 Looks like she's gonna be full...terrible problem to have I know 😄

What are you feeding the synth grow may I ask? pH, EC etc all that stuff cause I'm nosey lol.

Do you have any early on thoughts about the Autopots so far?

Looks like I'm not gonna make my "AP's on" by Labour Day Weekend next weekend due to my stupidity...going to push as hard as I can tho but not lookin likely 😒...
Yea i have a reg room aswel. Got a few actually but wont be using none for this grow.

Im feeding the synth a local 3 part nute brand called NutriGold, they basically a copy of TA but way cheaper and works just as well. In addition to that, im giving them silica & cal-mag aswel

Ph is at 5.8 - 6.0, will pump it up to about 6.2 now and than for calcium uptake and only if needed

At this stage the EC range is at 1.0 & 1.2

Im enjoying the pots, seems like everytime i walk into the room the ladies have grown 5 feet lmao. That could also seem that way because I only see them once a week 🤣
 
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Nice... im liking your style easy reading and informative. Great for ppl watching to pick up some info.

Always like a little side by side. Can't really say which will out perform the other as they are seeds and different strains but I think it will be fairly even.

Maybe a slight edge to the organic if nutrients stay in check because of the small amount of triacontanol but I'm not sure how much it really contains.

I admire organic growers in the sense that for myself I would find it more challenging and less forgiving. Atleast until I found what works but some if you guys make it look effortless when things are in order.


Auto watering for the win. Once a week... I can safely guess you have done this before then I take it.

If I can pick out anything to change would be just to reduce the light a bit. But every grower has a slightly different comfort level on how hard they want to push them and what they can get away with so only my comfort zone there.

Looking like it's gonna be a fun grow to watch
 
Marzcanna

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Nice... im liking your style easy reading and informative. Great for ppl watching to pick up some info.

Always like a little side by side. Can't really say which will out perform the other as they are seeds and different strains but I think it will be fairly even.

Maybe a slight edge to the organic if nutrients stay in check because of the small amount of triacontanol but I'm not sure how much it really contains.

I admire organic growers in the sense that for myself I would find it more challenging and less forgiving. Atleast until I found what works but some if you guys make it look effortless when things are in order.


Auto watering for the win. Once a week... I can safely guess you have done this before then I take it.

If I can pick out anything to change would be just to reduce the light a bit. But every grower has a slightly different comfort level on how hard they want to push them and what they can get away with so only my comfort zone there.

Looking like it's gonna be a fun grow to watch
Thank you for stopping by and actually reading all the nonsense I post here @Aqua Man

Funny enough organics is pulling the synthetic away in growth rate. Which is actually very surprising since we know with organics it takes the microbes time to break down all the goodies in the soil before the plant can uptake it , compared to synthetics we know it's available to the plant right away.

I'm a coco and synthetic guy myself, I'm no where near as good as you but have a few grows under my belt compared to orgnics which I have only done 3 times. But it does seem like I have the organics dialed in now.

Things can really go bad with organics if we mess up on something

This is actually my first time with autopots but I have played around with DWC before so just applying some of that knowledge with the autopots in similar way

As for the light I totally agree with you but I'm only using the 200w light at the moment, I will use the mars hydro once I flip.

Once again thank you for stopping by and please do feel free to give any advise and feed back
 
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Thank you for stopping by and actually reading all the nonsense I post here @Aqua Man

Funny enough organics is pulling the synthetic away in growth rate. Which is actually very surprising since we know with organics it takes the microbes time to break down all the goodies in the soil before the plant can uptake it , compared to synthetics we know it's available to the plant right away.

I'm a coco and synthetic guy myself, I'm no where near as good as you but have a few grows under my belt compared to orgnics which I have only done 3 times. But it does seem like I have the organics dialed in now.

Things can really go bad with organics if we mess up on something

This is actually my first time with autopots but I have played around with DWC before so just applying some of that knowledge with the autopots in similar way

As for the light I totally agree with you but I'm only using the 200w light at the moment, I will use the mars hydro once I flip.

Once again thank you for stopping by and please do feel free to give any advise and feed back
I'm organically challenged but I believe the kelp and alfalfa contain a natural PRG called triacontanol. I was kinda wondering if this would give it an edge. I can't say for certain but after using it I can say it definitely increases internode spacing and growth.
 
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I'm organically challenged but I believe the kelp and alfalfa contain a natural PRG called triacontanol. I was kinda wondering if this would give it an edge. I can't say for certain but after using it I can say it definitely increases internode spacing and growth.
You might actually be on to something. I will have to do some research on it but what you are saying makes sense especially when I compared my last 2 organic grows.

Up until now I thought it was just faster genetics but now I've scretched that one out because I had strain from the same breeder in organic and one in synthetic and the organic one had slightly faster growth rate and huge fan leaves lol
 
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Yea i have a reg room aswel. Got a few actually but wont be using none for this grow.

Im feeding the synth a local 3 part nute brand called NutriGold, they basically a copy of TA but way cheaper and works just as well. In addition to that, im giving them silica & cal-mag aswel

Ph is at 5.8 - 6.0, will pump it up to about 6.2 now and than for calcium uptake and only if needed

At this stage the EC range is at 1.0 & 1.2

Im enjoying the pots, seems like everytime i walk into the room the ladies have grown 5 feet lmao. That could also seem that way because I only see them once a week 🤣

Ok so I wasn't crazy about the other rooms. :)

Interesting point about going up to 6.2 as it's the correct number for the Cal uptake, going to try and remember that at transition if they're all close enough. ty

How high are you planning on going with the ec?

I hope I feel the same way here in a few weeks and things are starting to rock (fingers, toes & eyes crossed) 🤞🤞
 
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Honestly @sportyridr I know some growers love to push those high EC ranges but i found out that most plants do very well with a EC of 1.0-1.2 veg and even flower. With Some strains you can push it up higher but for me I like a lower number

I feel that there's a lot more important factors that impact a plants growth and bud formation beyond just nutes, I feel that nutes actually play the smallest part compared to having your environment & co2 dialed in. That's why I stick to a lower number on those ECs. But nothing wrong pushing them higher if your strain can take it

Really cant wait to see how you grow comes along
 
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@Aqua Man I'm using a local organic product called Bio Boost Link HERE

If you have some spare time have a read in the description and gives us your thought on it
Really hard to tell with the info they give. I'm no expert on PGRs or organics but I have used tricantonal as it's in a product called massive and a few others.
 
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Honestly @sportyridr I know some growers love to push those high EC ranges but i found out that most plants do very well with a EC of 1.0-1.2 veg and even flower. With Some strains you can push it up higher but for me I like a lower number

I feel that there's a lot more important factors that impact a plants growth and bud formation beyond just nutes, I feel that nutes actually play the smallest part compared to having your environment & co2 dialed in. That's why I stick to a lower number on those ECs. But nothing wrong pushing them higher if your strain can take it

Really cant wait to see how you grow comes along

I was asking about the EC just to see what you we're going to try with the AP's :) I'm with ya on the 1.2 for sure. 👍

We'll see how it goes, been talking about it too long, need to get on with it 😉
 
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Week 3 veg and I going to be honest I have not seen growth like this with organics in awhile, so far I'm really enjoying the autopots with organics. The synthetics seem to be building salt on top of the coco and the growth somewhat seems slower compared to organic. I believe it might be due to the organics having a dosage of tricantonal which has been proven to boost growth

Some of the ladies also got FIM, topped & LST



Nothing else to report



Zkittlez

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GG

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K-2

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I was asking about the EC just to see what you we're going to try with the AP's :) I'm with ya on the 1.2 for sure. 👍

We'll see how it goes, been talking about it too long, need to get on with it 😉
Just go for it lol. I just upgraded my setup on the synthetics to valve 5s, the water flow was just too slow on the old system and what a pain it was having to wait for the water to drain from the tank for cleaning😫
 
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Just anther update, the k-2 & Zkittlez are growing fairly fast soz had to do some training on them, I must also add that supplementing silica has done wonders for training the plants, stems seem "rubber" like making it easier to push them at extreme angles without worrying to much about snapping.

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Applied some neem oil after the super cropping for the bugs and back in the tent they go for a week's recovery
 
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Anther week gone by and Im deceived to cut the veg time from the initial plan of 8 weeks to 6 weeks. So this weeks all about defoliation and recovery before we flip.

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I quickly found out that leaving your plants unattended for a week is a bad idea

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The Zkittlez started showing signs of deficiency. To me it seemed like either Potassium / Magnesium or Calcium. Since it's newer growth that's being effected I decided to give it some cal-mag. If anyone else knows what it might be feel free to share.


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All in all I'm happy with the overall health of the plants, gave them some lollipops for their good behavior and so will be flipping them soon


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That's it for this week cheeeeeers

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So its been some time since my last update

really enjoying the autopots, its really easy and growth rate is impressive


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End of week 2 since flip and it seems like the ladies have stopped their stretch (thank goodness)

So for the flip I gave the organics a top dress of Bloom nutes and worm castings, will reammend again in 4 weeks and for the synthetics I did my own ratio of bottle nutes by balancing the grow and bloom nutes in order to feed abit more nitrogen during the stretch phase. As from this week onwards it full strength of bloom.

I did some super cropping at the end of week 1 of flip just to build those nice "Knuckles" we like on the stems

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The synthetics have caught up with the organics during the stretch somewhat, I think it's mostly due to them being super slivers. The stretch on them is INSANE! One can only imagine how they do outdoors!

Also discovered a male Super Silver that I will be keeping for pollen, all the other super silver plants turned out to be females ✊

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So the boring part is finally over and now the interesting part begins. Next update we ll take a closer look at the ladies bud formation.


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Peace 🔥
 
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So its been some time since my last update

really enjoying the autopots, its really easy and growth rate is impressive


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End of week 2 since flip and it seems like the ladies have stopped their stretch (thank goodness)

So for the flip I gave the organics a top dress of Bloom nutes and worm castings, will reammend again in 4 weeks and for the synthetics I did my own ratio of bottle nutes by balancing the grow and bloom nutes in order to feed abit more nitrogen during the stretch phase. As from this week onwards it full strength of bloom.

I did some super cropping at the end of week 1 of flip just to build those nice "Knuckles" we like on the stems

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The synthetics have caught up with the organics during the stretch somewhat, I think it's mostly due to them being super slivers. The stretch on them is INSANE! One can only imagine how they do outdoors!

Also discovered a male Super Silver that I will be keeping for pollen, all the other super silver plants turned out to be females ✊

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So the boring part is finally over and now the interesting part begins. Next update we ll take a closer look at the ladies bud formation.


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Peace 🔥

Nice full house you have there...turning up the heat so to speak...you must have a killer DH to keep the RH down to somewhat manageable levels

are you planning on a deloliation at day 21 of flower? or schwazz as they call it...I am contemplating doing it but my grow style kinda keeps a reign on things all the way thru. I guess I'll see what I think next week at end of 3rd week flwr.
 

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