Mimed’s Perpetual Thread

MIMedGrower · May 23, 2020

Moshmen said:
Yes it used to however that’s been 30 years ago for me I’m sure it’s more commercial now. I’m sure still a blast though. I’ve been on the manatee as well

Pine has that massive dune i see videos of people kayaking down the sand. I want to go there pretty bad.

And the manatee is busy cause they allow motorboats. Plenty of DNR agents too.

Our local river is tight and almost never packed. Half in town in the neighborhood and then goes into deep wilderness and our run ends at a beautiful hilly campground.

I am glad it is kind of off the radar. 4 hour trip and never leave our area. 15 minutes max to drive back to get the van.

MIMedGrower · May 23, 2020

Here is the dune at the pine river @Moshmen

DreamsOfDiesel · May 23, 2020

MIMedGrower said:
Here is the dune at the pine river @Moshmen

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Gorgeous, I want a piece of land like that (without the people on it lol), build partial underground into side of hill, views for miles. If I cant find it in mo, I may have bf look at mi stuff for me.

MIMedGrower · May 23, 2020

DreamsOfDiesel said:
Gorgeous, I want a piece of land like that (without the people on it lol), build partial underground into side of hill, views for miles. If I cant find it in mo, I may have bf look at mi stuff for me.

Well you cant build on sand dunes too safely but river and lake front property and nice existing houses with barns and docks can be had under 150k still.

DreamsOfDiesel · May 23, 2020

MIMedGrower said:
Well you cant build on sand dunes too safely but river and lake front property and nice existing houses with barns and docks can be had under 150k still.

Currently looking in ozark "mountain" area, trying to stay in mo, will not buy built house lol, I'm building partial underground with A-frame on external part, buried storage containers behind underground part for grow, too much love of my architecture classes to buy prebuilt, good at building stuff anyway so I'll do most of work myself with help from friends

MIMedGrower · May 28, 2020

This is interesting. I contacted dyna grow and asked why if the president knows cannabis only needs foliage pro and protect for proper growth why do they include bloom bottle in their cannabis directions. I got his info from the Dude Grows Show interview with the president of dyna grow.

His response was interesting. @Dirtbag @Aqua Man @Beachwalker

Sorry if i didnt tag others interested in this. We have all talked pretty extensively about nutrients on our threads.

From the president of dyna grow.

When growing outdoors, bloom is not necessary. The gradual shortening of day length forces flowering. When growing indoors under lights where photo period is reduced to force flowering, bloom (high phosphorus) chemically reinforces the message of shorter days to accelerate the switch from vegetative growth to reproductive growth (flowering). Technically, it is not essential nutritionally but serves as a chemical messenger.

Dave Neal, CEO
Dyna-Gro Nutrition Solutions
2775 Giant Rd
Richmond, CA 94806
p: 800.396.2476
f: 510.233.0198
david@dyna-gro.com
www.dyna-gro.com

I have longer flowering times running a grow ratio to the end. But also higher yield and i think quality. The times were a bit shorter when i used to switch to bloom nutes. But also plants yellowed prematurely and yield and maybe quality suffered.

This fact has me thinking about Dirtbags term he used “crop steering”.

Thoughts anyone?

RustyHillbilly · May 28, 2020

MIMedGrower said:
Here is the dune at the pine river @Moshmen

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Nice brother ~ its weird how diff parts of the country kinda look the same, but not.... cool sht man ~

MIMedGrower · May 28, 2020

RustyHillbilly said:
Nice brother ~ its weird how diff parts of the country kinda look the same, but not.... cool sht man ~

Michigan sand dunes were accidentally man made. The loggers cut the trees down at the shore of lake michigan 120-150 years ago and the sand keeps coming...

RustyHillbilly · May 28, 2020

off the grid, TN lookin at NC .....

Aqua Man · May 28, 2020

MIMedGrower said:
This is interesting. I contacted dyna grow and asked why if the president knows cannabis only needs foliage pro and protect for proper growth why do they include bloom bottle in their cannabis directions. I got his info from the Dude Grows Show interview with the president of dyna grow.

His response was interesting. @Dirtbag @Aqua Man @Beachwalker

Sorry if i didnt tag others interested in this. We have all talked pretty extensively about nutrients on our threads.

From the president of dyna grow.

When growing outdoors, bloom is not necessary. The gradual shortening of day length forces flowering. When growing indoors under lights where photo period is reduced to force flowering, bloom (high phosphorus) chemically reinforces the message of shorter days to accelerate the switch from vegetative growth to reproductive growth (flowering). Technically, it is not essential nutritionally but serves as a chemical messenger.

Dave Neal, CEO
Dyna-Gro Nutrition Solutions
2775 Giant Rd
Richmond, CA 94806
p: 800.396.2476
f: 510.233.0198
david@dyna-gro.com
www.dyna-gro.com

I have longer flowering times running a grow ratio to the end. But also higher yield and i think quality. The times were a bit shorter when i used to switch to bloom nutes. But also plants yellowed prematurely and yield and maybe quality suffered.

This fact has me thinking about Dirtbags term he used “crop steering”.

Thoughts anyone?

Oh you have just put the puzzle together in my brain. That;s why faster bud onset and I have been seeing reports of PK used 1 week before flip for about 3 weeks having good results in more than a couple places. So WTF do ll the nutrient companies direct it after flip and for the whole duration of flower??? I'm gonna say $$$

Aqua Man · May 28, 2020

@MIMedGrower @Dirtbag Thoughts on going back to grow nutrients after 3 weeks of PK starting 1 week before flip... Best of both worlds?

I know that what I plan on doing. Only thing I will be changing is adding PK for 3 weeks as described

BurnzYzBudZz · May 28, 2020

MIMedGrower said:
This is interesting. I contacted dyna grow and asked why if the president knows cannabis only needs foliage pro and protect for proper growth why do they include bloom bottle in their cannabis directions. I got his info from the Dude Grows Show interview with the president of dyna grow.

His response was interesting. @Dirtbag @Aqua Man @Beachwalker

Sorry if i didnt tag others interested in this. We have all talked pretty extensively about nutrients on our threads.

From the president of dyna grow.

When growing outdoors, bloom is not necessary. The gradual shortening of day length forces flowering. When growing indoors under lights where photo period is reduced to force flowering, bloom (high phosphorus) chemically reinforces the message of shorter days to accelerate the switch from vegetative growth to reproductive growth (flowering). Technically, it is not essential nutritionally but serves as a chemical messenger.

Dave Neal, CEO
Dyna-Gro Nutrition Solutions
2775 Giant Rd
Richmond, CA 94806
p: 800.396.2476
f: 510.233.0198
david@dyna-gro.com
www.dyna-gro.com

I have longer flowering times running a grow ratio to the end. But also higher yield and i think quality. The times were a bit shorter when i used to switch to bloom nutes. But also plants yellowed prematurely and yield and maybe quality suffered.

This fact has me thinking about Dirtbags term he used “crop steering”.

Thoughts anyone?

I have been using the bloom/mag pro for about a week and have def seen a burst in bud set and trichome/pistol development. Current running at about 550ppm and plants are taking well to it. What is crop steering anyway? Happy grows.

RustyHillbilly · May 28, 2020

MIMedGrower said:
Michigan sand dunes were accidentally man made. The loggers cut the trees down at the shore of lake michigan 120-150 years ago and the sand keeps coming...

from water flow...over the years.....cool sht man... love it

RustyHillbilly · May 28, 2020

glass blowing is using sand.......the pieces we toke from are from the earth....if its glass....seen some cool pieces over the years on here....

MIMedGrower · May 28, 2020

Aqua Man said:
Oh you have just put the puzzle together in my brain. That;s why faster bud onset and I have been seeing reports of PK used 1 week before flip for about 3 weeks having good results in more than a couple places. So WTF do ll the nutrient companies direct it after flip and for the whole duration of flower??? I'm gonna say $$$

I dont know. I think there is a choice. Faster grow or longer grow with higher yield. Although no one is going to test my theory as faster turnover is all that will be deemed important.

Switch to higher P and speed up flowering onset. Continue high P and shorten flower cycle.

Stay with grow ratio. As long as K is sufficient. More time but also more potential possible.

Im sticking to foliage pro, protect and a little ph down which evens out my nitrogen and potassium levels.

The plants i had that were deficient are greening up nicely and the flowers I am tapering off look quite healthy and have nice steady late growth and trichome development.

Maybe i will try a dyna grow bloom and mag pro run at some point.

But i have plenty of sulfer in my well water so maybe no mag pro. When i added epsom salts before it was too much and burned quick. Same with botanicare sweet which is mostly mag sulfate too.

My wake and bake session has me pretty baked this morning. :-)

MIMedGrower · May 28, 2020

Aqua Man said:
@MIMedGrower @Dirtbag Thoughts on going back to grow nutrients after 3 weeks of PK starting 1 week before flip... Best of both worlds?

I know that what I plan on doing. Only thing I will be changing is adding PK for 3 weeks as described

Guess you have to try it.

I used to run pbp grow and the pbp soil bloom and give what each plant needed at any time.

Excellent results but i noticed the plants almost always seem to need a grow formula. Stick to pbp soil bloom and yellowing will come.

So i eventually just used grow and tapered up in strength through peak flower then start tapering off hoping to be back to tap water levels at harvest with no deficiencies.

Hoping ;-)

MIMedGrower · May 28, 2020

BurnzYzBudZz said:
I have been using the bloom/mag pro for about a week and have def seen a burst in bud set and trichome/pistol development. Current running at about 550ppm and plants are taking well to it. What is crop steering anyway? Happy grows.

Crop steering is deliberately “steering” plant growth to our own needs with specific nutrients and techniques.

I think. @Dirtbag used the term.

BurnzYzBudZz · May 28, 2020

MIMedGrower said:
Crop steering is deliberately “steering” plant growth to our own needs with specific nutrients and techniques.

I think. @Dirtbag used the term.

I think he recommended I go back to foliage pro weeks 4-7 but drop the bloom and magpro. I think next feed I’ll dose the bloom 10ml @ about 600-700ppm then taper back to 5ml bloom beginning week 4 back to about 500ppm taper off the bloom and run the foliage pro/protekt through to week 8. Depending, of course, how the plants take to it.

*edited
The RO/tap mixed perfectly to about 170ppm MiMed. Thanks for that advice.

Aqua Man · May 28, 2020

MIMedGrower said:
Crop steering is deliberately “steering” plant growth to our own needs with specific nutrients and techniques.

I think. @Dirtbag used the term.

Yeah definately going to be doing some thinking and tinkering with it. Im missing my hydro even more now because I can change nutrient ratios etc in a few mins. Not so much in soil. Maybe i need to consider foliar for soil. Hmm I don't wanna go that route but i can see a purpose here for it

MIMedGrower · May 28, 2020

Aqua Man said:
Yeah definately going to be doing some thinking and tinkering with it. Im missing my hydro even more now because I can change nutrient ratios etc in a few mins. Not so much in soil. Maybe i need to consider foliar for soil. Hmm I don't wanna go that route but i can see a purpose here for it

I have read that foliar feeding really is best for micro nutes for absorption.

But if you foliar you lost your control on root feeding. One thing at a time bud.

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