My Disappointing, even PATHETIC Grow!

sambapati · May 29, 2020

Kampbe1l said:
i think its been 4 weeks since i switched the second batch into the grow tent, under the LEDs.

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And two plants are doing particularly well, while the 3rd plant is starting to take off. The 4th plant is still underdeveloped, needing more time.

One plant I have stopped training it, she can just fill out and grow taller. The second plant is starting to fill out as well after bending some of her offshoots, where she is also now allowed to grow taller & fuller. The third plant I have also just trained 2 offshoots to cover more of the canopy.

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I'm waiting for the last, 4th plant to fill out, then I am flipping to 12/12 on/off light cycle. At least 4 weeks more of vegetative phase.

Don't know what I am doing differently to the first failed batch - same soil mix, same feeding/watering schedule/routines, yet I seem to be getting different/better results...

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i am still nursing the first batch - ride with the punches, hey. got some plans, including nursing them to be my next outdoor season (3 months away from spring!) or motherplants to take cuttings, etc - see how they develop, all is not lost. Setbacks, but still in the game, heading towards the end-game.

and the story continues...

You might also consider experimenting with lollypopping some of these plants and when they hit 7" tall top 'em, right? Make one or two and try LP...Good recovery and keep on the lookout for buggies.

Kampbe1l · May 29, 2020

sambapati said:
You might also consider experimenting with lollypopping some of these plants and when they hit 7" tall top 'em, right? Make one or two and try LP...Good recovery and keep on the lookout for buggies.

sure will - i can see the benefits of lollypopping. also, want to lollypop to take clones. and that single DWC bucket is another experiment, with cloning in mind. not yet there for lollypopping - first trying to fill the tent's canopy, then let it grow taller & fuller, at that stage lollypop.

shit, mentioning the war, but i haven't had any bug issues since very early days with gnats.

Kampbe1l · Jun 14, 2020

fingers x'd, travelling okay with the batch in the grow tent.

I have mostly stopped training these plants.

it's been now been 6 weeks since the dramatic switch of plants. I am still waiting for the 4th plant to grow taller/bigger, before flipping to 12/12 on/off light cycle.

not sure, another at least 2 weeks, maybe 4 weeks more in this vegetative growth phase - i no longer make a schedule/timetable, the plants dictates actions.

a little more patience, huh.

i see how plants of different growth developmental stage, makes things a little awekward to manage. the timetable to flip is determined by the growth of this 4th plant....while the other 3 plants are now starting to fill their parts of the tent.

sambapati · Jun 14, 2020

Kampbe1l said:
fingers x'd, travelling okay with the batch in the grow tent.

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I have mostly stopped training these plants.

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it's been now been 6 weeks since the dramatic switch of plants. I am still waiting for the 4th plant to grow taller/bigger, before flipping to 12/12 on/off light cycle.

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not sure, another at least 2 weeks, maybe 4 weeks more in this vegetative growth phase - i no longer make a schedule/timetable, the plants dictates actions.

a little more patience, huh.

i see how plants of different growth developmental stage, makes things a little awekward to manage. the timetable to flip is determined by the growth of this 4th plant....while the other 3 plants are now starting to fill their parts of the tent.

How tall is the tallest plant?

Kampbe1l · Jun 14, 2020

The largest plant is about a foot and half tall.

The tent's height is 8 foot. I figure I got about 2 feet headroom left for growth. I'm waiting for it to grow maybe another foot taller, before flipping.

Kampbe1l · Jun 23, 2020

my ongoing experiment, crude DIY single-bucket DWC.

i have been pouring a jug of its nutrients, out of the bucket, then pour the jug over the clayballs at least twice a day.

haven't changed its nutrient solution for 2 weeks - now thinking of doing a nutrient change this weekend.

it is what it is, actually happy with this result, more tinkering and attention/care needed -but the basics are there.

got a few things on my plate, 2 grow areas, other cuttings and things overflowing (well, not reserviors, knock on wood).

for what it is, i now know that i can take cuttings this way and i can get started doing DWC.

sambapati · Jun 23, 2020

Kampbe1l said:
my ongoing experiment, crude DIY single-bucket DWC.

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i have been pouring a jug of its nutrients, out of the bucket, then pour the jug over the clayballs at least twice a day.

haven't changed its nutrient solution for 2 weeks - now thinking of doing a nutrient change this weekend.

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it is what it is, actually happy with this result, more tinkering and attention/care needed -but the basics are there.

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got a few things on my plate, 2 grow areas, other cuttings and things overflowing (well, not reserviors, knock on wood).

for what it is, i now know that i can take cuttings this way and i can get started doing DWC.

Ask a busy person to get something done first...Sounds like it is all coming up well for you. Keep it keeping on

Kampbe1l · Jun 28, 2020

a little concerned with the biggest plant (codename BBK8D), she's always been a little droopy. i'll post some pickies next watering, when I have natural light. yes, some its leaves have purple hue and this colour is getting stronger.

and a little concerned just generally, as it was about this time last batch when my crops failed dramatically - i mentioned the war, didn't I?

BBK8D and G1 totally filled their portion of the tent's canopy. G2 is a step behind, while G3 is the baby of this batch - and I am waiting for G3 to fill out more and grow taller, maybe another 2 weeks of vegetative phase, before flipping into flowering phase.

i think its been about 8 weeks since the dramatic switch to this current batch in the tent, and glad that I took such drastic measure then.

i haven't feed these plants at all. just a little bit of Cannazym in its watering, where its adjusted to pH between 6.3 to 6.5 levels.

Would Canna Bloom be any benefit? I don't think they need to get fed (yet), so holding off buying any nutrients until they are required.

Kampbe1l · Jun 28, 2020

my DWC experiment is still ongoing, promising at least.

I changed the reservior today, added 1.5 mls of Canna Aqua A + B, 20 mls Cannazym, adjusted to 5.8 pH to 15 litre of water. 140 PPM TDS.

While not close to spectacular results, the fact that its up and running is a small win.

Running out of space, no room for this DWC within either my vegetative grow area and the tent - so this single DWC bucket is not in its ideal or even suitable conditions. Plans to expand my DWC system is on hold, until I clear a few things off my plate. Or get another grow tent.

My main focus is upon steering the batch in the tent towards flowering phase, while the remaining focus is preparing the next batch to be grown in the tent and another separate batch to be grown over next outdoor season.

Kampbe1l · Jul 6, 2020

Should I be concerned, one of the plant G1, has shed a few lower leaves, yellowing? i suspect its because the top canopy of the plant is filtering lower light strength, not nutrient-deficiency.

This is the time when my first batch fell over, just when I was going to pull the trigger, so to speak - flip the LEDs from 18/6 to 12/12 on/off light cycle. I'm planning to flip this weekend. Haven't yet figured out the hours yet.

I haven't fed any of these plants, as I didn't think they required it. Question is, when its so close to this flip, should I just flip it as planned, and see how they develop?

Bit anxious.

hey, should i get Canna Boost for my Canna Terra Professional based soil mix, to apply during this flowering stage? and do i need anything else, or do I sit and let the plants develop as they are?

post pickies next post, after next watering.

Kampbe1l · Jul 6, 2020

i lost 3 cuttings - but the remaining 7 cuttings are still green, hopefully taking root. I had these cuttings in plastic DIY humidity chambers, made out of plastic drink bottles - and small rockwool cubes soaked in 5.8 pH Canna Aqua solution used for the DWC, some cloning gel on the end, and that was it. sprayed these babies the first couple of days, and haven't sprayed them over a week now.

it's been over a fortnight since taking these cuttings - so if they haven't swivelled up like the dead 3, i figure that it must be taking root. i couldn't leave them just whacked into their rockwool cubes - so i whacked the rockwool into soil, into small pots.

being in the southern hemisphere, its 2 months to start of our spring - and that's what these babies are being prepared for, another apartment balcony & outdoor grow.

i also wanted to test my own conditions to see how well i can strike cuttings - and despite my bare-minimum effort, it seems i can get an acceptable strike rate from cutting to clones.

besides the apartment balcony grow, also thinking of preserving some of these cuttings - ensuring i have these 2 genetic stock which are photoperiod varieties. i probably will kill the original 'motherplants' when i harvest - but perhaps I should consider rejuvenating the strongest?

with all these experimentation, I am expanding to the point where i need to rationalise, but that's for another day. it's better to have too much on your plate, than hardly anything.

sambapati · Jul 6, 2020

Kampbe1l said:
Should I be concerned, one of the plant G1, has shed a few lower leaves, yellowing? i suspect its because the top canopy of the plant is filtering lower light strength, not nutrient-deficiency.

This is the time when my first batch fell over, just when I was going to pull the trigger, so to speak - flip the LEDs from 18/6 to 12/12 on/off light cycle. I'm planning to flip this weekend. Haven't yet figured out the hours yet.

I haven't fed any of these plants, as I didn't think they required it. Question is, when its so close to this flip, should I just flip it as planned, and see how they develop?

Bit anxious.

hey, should i get Canna Boost for my Canna Terra Professional based soil mix, to apply during this flowering stage? and do i need anything else, or do I sit and let the plants develop as they are?

post pickies next post, after next watering.

"Less is More" would be what some would say. I don't have access to Canna Boost -- but why not. Go ahead and flip the switch because your stems are stronger and won't bend this thyme. I'm also in the southern hemisphere 6:15 am first light 6:45 dark time....Looking good and remember it is Last Chance Marianne to trim and defoliate.

Kampbe1l · Jul 7, 2020

sambapati said:
"Less is More" would be what some would say. I don't have access to Canna Boost -- but why not. Go ahead and flip the switch because your stems are stronger and won't bend this thyme. I'm also in the southern hemisphere 6:15 am first light 6:45 dark time....Looking good and remember it is Last Chance Marianne to trim and defoliate.

agh, it's amazing, we speak the same lingo, but meaning gets lost in translation of our English. and also, my bad choice of words 'falling over'.

i meant by 'falling over' not literally - i meant that it failed.

now, about this stage, the first batch, the 'girls went bad' - not sure if it was a nutrient-toxicity, or lack of nutrients or quality of water.... i changed the soil mix from the first to the second batch, so I am hoping for a better result this time around, let's see.

I have been constantly trimming and defoliating - but will give it a real clean job next watering.

i haven't fed these plants at all - only watering with some Cannazym, adjusted its pH from 6.1 to 6.3 range. the plants don't seem hungry, so I haven't fed them at all - which nags at me, wondering if these plants ever want any feed. so, i don't take the risk of feeding 'em (yet).

yeah, it might be everything else on our plates with the flu disruptions, but my anxiety has heightened this week, and i think it's coz of my plan to flip this weekend, thinking 'fuck, what could go wrong, this time?' or is it excitement bundled up in the wrapping of anxiety?

only TIME will cure me.

Kampbe1l · Jul 7, 2020

rickjordans420s said:
Don't get too hard for yourself. We all started everything the hard way. Gain more knowledge by reading some helpful threads. Keep planting. Keep growing. I'd like to share that I read a blog at local online store in our area where the writer would always remind new ones to keep going no matter how disappointing will be the outcome. I learned.

try not to be frustrated. frustration does get bottled up, need to be released occasionally to lower its pressure, let the whistle blow!

I am not the type to simply give up, and i think even this thread shows some of that personality.

in the end, i'm doing this because I love it. and i want grow me own good shit, and i might even share some with you!

Kampbe1l · Jul 9, 2020

i got my grow tent with its 4 plants under LED, which i'm about to flip to 12/12 on/off cycle. I got 4 sick plants under T5 flourescent light fixture, which i'm nursing back to better health. I got my single DWC bucket, which is an ongoing experiment.

and i got these babies.

today, I took 3 cuttings off one of the plants in the tent. partly to clean up the plant herself, cutting off her small lower offshoots. and partly, to take cuttings, to hopefully established clones for the next grow in the tent or coming outdoor season (mid-winter for me, here).

7 previous cuttings in small pots of soil. i gather these cuttings are now established clones, as they're 3+ weeks old.

i used this system for those 7 cuttings, which I think i can call now clones with establishing root systems.

i soak the small rockwool cubes in the Canna Aqua solution in the DWC bucket, dip the end of the cuttings into cloning gel solution,
then stick the cutting into the soaked rockwool cube.
then the cubed cuttings into a plastic tray, filled with clayballs on the bottom,
then plastic top placed on top of the plastic tray,
the occasional spray for a couple of days, before removing the plastic top/cover after a couple of days. it seemed to have worked, last time.

one lesson i learned is that you can never have enough genetic stock. having said that, at it is, i've run out of space under any artificial lighting, so the 'excess' plants are on the fringe of these area, getting deliberate leakage from LED and T5.

make it up as i go along.

Kampbe1l · Jul 10, 2020

pulling the trigger today, flipping to 12/12 on/off light cycle from today.

preparing for this flip, i pulled out these 4 plants from the tent, removed some lower leaves, clipped off some small lower growth, took some more cuttings. didnt i just say before, i'm running out of space.

cleaned the tent. dropped a fan onto a plant, shit!

gonna run 12/12 from 7 am to 7 pm, so i can tend to the plants early in the morning before i go to work, and to tend the plants straight after work, when required. 7 am to 7 pm works better for the fans to run, rather than during the night.

been concerned about this purple tinged plant (pictured below), droopy, though she is about to get her watering. she has been difficult grow (for me), she is what she is - see how she goes into her flowering phase. she has the strongest body odour!

the tent is air- and light-tight, no external/internal light leakages, zipped up. when it turns off at the regular 2 pm this afternoon, the LED is to be changed to its full flowering settings and the timer. the lights are to turn on 7 am tomorrow morning, so this initial 17 hours dark period, before its regular 12/12 on/off cycle.

i need results, i need to turnover the batch in the g-tent, its time to move forward towards harvest. to clear the tent of this current batch, so I can go onto the next grow. also, I want some buds in my bowl.

sambapati · Jul 10, 2020

Kampbe1l said:
pulling the trigger today, flipping to 12/12 on/off light cycle from today.

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preparing for this flip, i pulled out these 4 plants from the tent, removed some lower leaves, clipped off some small lower growth, took some more cuttings. didnt i just say before, i'm running out of space.

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cleaned the tent. dropped a fan onto a plant, shit!

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gonna run 12/12 from 7 am to 7 pm, so i can tend to the plants early in the morning before i go to work, and to tend the plants straight after work, when required. 7 am to 7 pm works better for the fans to run, rather than during the night.

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been concerned about this purple tinged plant (pictured below), droopy, though she is about to get her watering. she has been difficult grow (for me), she is what she is - see how she goes into her flowering phase. she has the strongest body odour!

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the tent is air- and light-tight, no external/internal light leakages, zipped up. when it turns off at the regular 2 pm this afternoon, the LED is to be changed to its full flowering settings and the timer. the lights are to turn on 7 am tomorrow morning, so this initial 17 hours dark period, before its regular 12/12 on/off cycle.

i need results, i need to turnover the batch in the g-tent, its time to move forward towards harvest. to clear the tent of this current batch, so I can go onto the next grow. also, I want some buds in my bowl.

Going bowling sounds like a good recreational plan...clearly working too hard on your hobby, but good results. Take a measurement of your tallest and smallest plants and see what % growth you get in flower...33% is my guess.

Kampbe1l · Jul 11, 2020

yup, it's been a long & winding road, to get here where i am. the tent's canopy is pretty much filled up, rather than growth in height achieved.

the lights just switched off, Day Zero where its flipped from its 18/6 to 12/12 on/off cycle! now, waiting for the stretch of more growth in height and early flower formation, the first stage of the flowering phase.

sourcing a 1L bottle of Canna Boost additive - i figured that i would use a 250 mls bottle over these 4 plants in this single grow. still, not sure about the flowering nutrients in this soil mix, holding off buying any such nutrients.

sambapati said:
Going bowling sounds like a good recreational plan...clearly working too hard on your hobby, but good results. Take a measurement of your tallest and smallest plants and see what % growth you get in flower...33% is my guess.

will do.

here i keep a photo diary, whereas i got my little book recording events - it's for my benefit mainly, but sharing my experience. also, these measurements and records means more, as its 'databank' grows.

HEY, despite the tribulations, IT'S FUN, this thing of ours!!!

Kampbe1l · Jul 11, 2020

i haven't yet figure this out, and i haven't been following it, at all.

Grow guide | CANNA Australia & New Zealand

www.canna.com.au

how does this grow guide work?

i'm growing in 3 or 5 gallon pots with Canna Terra Professional mixed with more perlite. and i haven't used any of their nutrients, only Cannazym to the watering.

looking at these chart and Canna website, as I'm getting that Canna Boost - and was checking its details.

sambapati · Jul 11, 2020

Kampbe1l said:
i haven't yet figure this out, and i haven't been following it, at all.

Grow guide | CANNA Australia & New Zealand

www.canna.com.au

how does this grow guide work?

i'm growing in 3 or 5 gallon pots with Canna Terra Professional mixed with more perlite. and i haven't used any of their nutrients, only Cannazym to the watering.

looking at these chart and Canna website, as I'm getting that Canna Boost - and was checking its details.

I can't read Australian, sorry. I think they want you to buy more and more and more of their products. Recording everything is a good idea.

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