My rare mini chocolope pheno e&f sog

[chief greenleaf]

Whats up with all my peoples down on the farm today! Im finally gettin my first grow journal under way and it should be one helluva ride yall. Im sure some of you remember the thread I started about my unusual chocolope pheno I found in a 6 pack from DNA.

Well I just had a feeling that this was a special pheno and after keeping the mother in veg for over 6 months I finally got a chance to flower some cuts from her at a buddys house ta find out if she really was worthy of being kept in my stable! My efforts were not in vain! This bushy little girl gave me cuts that finished in an amazing 52 days, produced extremely well, and the smoke is just as potent as the original Chocolope we all know and love!
So basically I found an almost 100% Sativa pheno that fully matures in under 8 weeks and doesnt stretch at all when flowered! She produces very well in SOG yielding dense fruity sticky ass nugs that will stink up the whole fuckin house! She'll grow single colas if untopped but will branch out like crazy if topped even once. And so far I havent come across a single other person that has this pheno, even DNA claims theyre unfamiliar with it! So if anybody is familiar with her at all Id love ta here any info you have and Im also very open to any name suggestions yall might have for her. Ive come up with mini-lope or shorty-lope, but this girl is deserving of a truly great name so please send any suggestions my way!

First of all before we get started this is gonna be a cool laid back thread so keep all shit talkin or negative ass comments off my thread! Im using Advanced Nutrients so Im sure there will be some nute discussion goin on. Please keep any and all Advanced Nutrients hater comments off my thread as well! Ive noticed a huge increase in shit talkin about AN on The Farm lately and jus had my last thread all but ruined by it and Im not gonna tolerate that shit on this one. Also Im not one of these "dont jack my thread" dick heads so feel free ta say whats up ta eachother but do try ta keep everything on topic.

Okay so lets get this journal started shall we? :harvest:

 

[zombywolf]

There have been some rumors that Cannalope Haze is either C-99 or a C-99 hybrid. From what you describe, you have a very similar pheno of C-99. C-99 is a short flowering sativa with an intense fruity (cantaloupe smell fits- I know C-99 well) aroma and strong high. There are few strains out there that are similar to Cindy, so there are not many possibilities that you have something else. Nor do you have either a Haze Bros or mexican sativa that is fruity (Cannalope Haze stated mix), as there are few fruity short flower hazes (if any). You might want to look in the C-99 direction for identification.

 

[chief greenleaf]

Whats up ZombyWolf, I read an extremely long thread on ICMag.com a few months back about the controversy concerning the genetic background of th Cannolope Haze. Reeferman claims to have given DNA Cindy F2s around the same time that the breeding of Cannolope wouldve started. And its really strange that Cannalope finishes in 7-8 weeks when both her parents are 12+ weekers ya know! I actually hit up DNA askin about this pheno and they claim that theyve grown out 100s of Chocolope seeds in test runs and have never come across this pheno.... So either I found an EXTREMELY rare pheno or they just dont wanna address the issue at all. But after you see some pics of her youll really think C-99! Ive been pretty convinced that Cindy was used in Cannalope ever since reading about this and comparing my pheno to pics of C-99. But whats wierd is that C-99 is really popular and it seems like listing her as a parent in one of your crosses would do nothing but increase sales ya know???

 

[chief greenleaf]

Alright so Ive already gave yall a rundown on the genetics so lets go over the set up.
I been a long time dirt farmer and am comin over to the wet side for the first time so Ill probably have some questions for you web footed experts out there!
Im runnin an ebb & flow set up w/a 2x4 table and a 25 gal res. Im runnin 4 plants per square foot in 4 in RW cubes for a total of 32 plants minus one to make room for the E&F fittings. Ive also got 4 layers of 1/4 inch thick coco mat lining the bottom of my table, and so far my roots are lovin it.
My sunshine consists of 2 air cooled 400s, 1 horti blue and 1 hps for now, Ill be switchin to all hps within a week or so. My set up is in a tent inside my closet and lucky for me Ive got access to my attic in the closet! Ive got a Vortex600 up in the attic pullin out all the stanky stale air thru an Odor Sok, over both lights then dissipates in the attic where it bothers no one.
I usually run the full BC line w/Open Sesame, Beastie Bloomz, and Cha Ching replacing Awesome Blossoms. This is a fantastic line up for anybody lookin for inexpensive and extremely effective nutrients. But I always say that you cant improve your methods if you dont try new things. So after seein some great results first hand and online (and after gettin a great deal on some nutes from a retired grower) I decided to give Advanced a shot at the title. Ill repeat one more time please keep any negative opinions about AN to yourselves, Im not gonna have another thread ruined by shit talking! Im using the whole Connoiseur line plus Rhino Skin and Bud Factor X.

That about covers my set up feel free ta ask any questions if Ive left anything out youd like ta know, this is my first journal so please be gentle! HA!
After the clones were rooted and transplanted I vegged for about 2 weeks using the BC veg recipe. During the final week of veg I added Open Sesame at a 1/4 tsp per gal to help kick start these babies into flower. Flowering was induced on Wednesday and they got a full 36 hours of darkness before switching to 12/12. Im using Bud Blood for week 1 and Im amazed! The combo of Open Sesame 36 hours of darkness and the Bud Blood has def done the trick. I noticed pistils in less than 48 hours after switching to 12/12 and this pheno doesnt show preflowers at all unless viewed under a microscope and even then theyre really hard ta see. The last time I ran this pheno it took a full week for pistils ta show, I dont think Ive ever seen pistils show this fast! Im thinkin this might cut down the flowering time even more, she already matures in 52 days!
Anybody else have any experience using Open Sesame for the last week of veg, 36 hours of dark, then bud blood for the first week of flower?
Ill be updating with pics at least once a week but I love takin pics when the flowers set in so there'll be plenty of eye candy ta go around. Here's a few pics of my nute line up, my set up and a few of the girls. I try ta take em when the lights are first comin on but that dont leave me much time so a few have them damn lines in em. The first pic is of the pistils I spotted the 2nd day of flower, theyre kinda hard ta see but theyre there.
Enjoy!

 

[chief greenleaf]

And since early flower pics arent that much fun heres some bud porn from last harvest just ta keep things interesting! These are cuts from my Satori mom, its the sativa pheno. She produces like crazy and has an amazing sour grape flavor/aroma that reminds me of the grape flavor Big League Chew I used ta get at the concession stands at little league games!
These were taken at about 8 weeks I think, she usually finishes around 9-10 wks. Satori tends ta stretch a lil bit so ta keep the canopy even we did some LST, thats why she's doin a corkscrew around the outside edge of the pot.
Oh yea and I got plenty more pics from the last couple harvests and maybe even from my outdoor crop last year so just holler if ya want more!
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[Malachi]

Good lookin little garden you got there CG. Looks like you squared up your flooding problem. Lookin forward to watching these girls mature. I was told by Doc GT that inducing flowering by the onset of a 36-hour dark period will increase finishing times by 5-7 days on most strains without effect of yield. I am going to try this round and see the results. It looks like it worked good for you! I currently have about 20 plants vegging in my tent. I have decided to run a screen on top of my canopy this time to train it a little more evenly. Let me know how you like the AN lineup. I am using a custom nute lineup this time to try and get that little extra out of them. I will be using GH FloraNova series base nutes with, Cal/Mag Plus, Silica Blast, Root's Excel, Hygrozyme, Floracious Plus, Liquid Kool Bloom, Kool Bloom Powder, and Botanicaare sweet for carbs. What are you using as a carb booster? I didn't see anything in your lineup. I can say from experience in res' don't use molasses. I got a free pack of CarboLoad by AN from my hydro store, but it all melted together and turned into a giant piece of candy. Speeking of candy, I have heard that their bud candy works good. (AN)

As for a name for your pheno you could call it the double-time pheno or something because it finishes so fast, but I think you are right about the C-99 influence. After looking at your whole plant pics that you grew last round the influence is inmistakeable.

 

[Malachi]

Oh ok, lol, I see it now next to the bud factor x, my bad

 

[chief greenleaf]

Whats happenin fellas! Glad ta see yall stoppin in...

Good lookin little garden you got there CG. Looks like you squared up your flooding problem. Lookin forward to watching these girls mature. I was told by Doc GT that inducing flowering by the onset of a 36-hour dark period will increase finishing times by 5-7 days on most strains without effect of yield. I am going to try this round and see the results. It looks like it worked good for you! I currently have about 20 plants vegging in my tent. I have decided to run a screen on top of my canopy this time to train it a little more evenly. Let me know how you like the AN lineup. I am using a custom nute lineup this time to try and get that little extra out of them. I will be using GH FloraNova series base nutes with, Cal/Mag Plus, Silica Blast, Root's Excel, Hygrozyme, Floracious Plus, Liquid Kool Bloom, Kool Bloom Powder, and Botanicaare sweet for carbs. What are you using as a carb booster? I didn't see anything in your lineup. I can say from experience in res' don't use molasses. I got a free pack of CarboLoad by AN from my hydro store, but it all melted together and turned into a giant piece of candy. Speeking of candy, I have heard that their bud candy works good. (AN)

As for a name for your pheno you could call it the double-time pheno or something because it finishes so fast, but I think you are right about the C-99 influence. After looking at your whole plant pics that you grew last round the influence is inmistakeable.

Whats up Malachi, good ta see ya here man. Thanks for the complement, I personally prefer a dedicating at least a bedroom to my garden but right now this is all the space I got so Im makin the best of it. I was plannin on waiting til I move ta get things rollin but my Papaw's cancer is getting bad and the radiation is killin the cancer but its also killin him in the process so I just cant wait any longer. After talkin ta Rick Simpson I figured itd be worth a try if I can just get my Papaw ta take it! So hopefully all goes well, I should be able ta get enough get my next grow started and ta make him plenty of oil. I figure if it doesnt cure his cancer like they claim it will at least give him his appetite back so he can eat.
But anyway you might wanna talk ta MST about the SCROG, Im probably gonna add a screen in the next few days and he's been givin me some damn good advice.
Im def gonna keep the effectivness of AN updated on here. Ive been usin my BC/Fox Farm line for years and it works great but Ive seen so many amazing results with AN I had ta give it a shot. So this is gonna be kinda like an experimental type grow ta see if AN increases yield and quality enough to justify the cost. Im sure that just like any nute you need ta get it dialed in ta really see a huge difference but for as much as this shit costs if I better see a decent some improvement on the first run or its back ta BC I go! And yea Im usin Bud Candy, supposedly a mix of Carbo Load and Sweet Leaf, for my carbs and ta feed my beneficials.
So far I like Shorty-Lope for the name, it kinda covers how short and stocky it grows and its short flowering time but I know we can come up with a really killer name for her.

he got the bud candy hiding in there for carb. nice garden man cant wait to see thsi mini pheno i run a chocolpoe but didnt start her my self my boy gave me the pheno he kept super stretch but finshes fast 8 to 9 weeks

What up Aussie thanks for stoppin in man, your more than welcome ta come along for the ride bruva! But yea I know all about the super stretch! Thats what originally caused me ta keep her in veg since she was a third of the size of her 5 sisters and had like 10 main growth tips! I originally had 6 females that I was gonna transplant in my outdoor patch. I took all six out there but something just kept tellin me not ta leave her out there! So I took her back home and vegged her out, I didnt get a chance ta flower any of her cuts until about 2 months ago, there were several times I almost ditched her thinkin she was just a runt and I was wasting my time keepin her. But man I am so fuckin glad I kept this bitch!!! Just as potent as the reg choc but no stretch and finishes in 52 days, Im one lucky son of a bitch man!
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[chief greenleaf]

And by the way this is my first journal so everybody feel free ta comment all ya want. Everybodys wecome, the mor the merrier!!!:icon_cookie:

 

[Malachi]

Well i just went to the hydro store and picked up my nutes for this run. I am going to try a mix of different stuff this go around. It is a custom mix I created, lol. The frankenstein blend, I am using GH FloraNova Grow/Bloom with floracious plus, liquid kool bloom, kool bloom powder, cal/mag plus, hygrozyme, root's excel, superthrive, and rhino skin and bud candy from advanced. I got some clearex for my flushes every 2 weeks. I was going to get silica blast but they were all out so I picked up the rhino skin instead. I am like 2 weeks behind you, but I will update my thread and post some more pics when it becomes a little more entertaining. I put 2 of my mothers in my tent this run so the canopy should fill up pretty quick!

 

[SRHninja]

lovin this im tuned in like a radio! how much are you expecting to harvest dry?

 

[chief greenleaf]

Thats whats up Malachi, sounds like you got a nice lil line up goin man. You should think about pickin up some beneficials ta go with that Bud Candy, theyll eat that shit up! And Ive noticed that your root systems go nuts with Myco and all that other good bacteria that I cant pronounce! I been hearin a lot about Great White, supposed ta be like Piranah and Tarantula in one and maybe Voodoo Juice if Im not mistaken but its pretty reasonably priced as well. especially when compared to ANs stuff!
SRH whats happenin, glad ta see ya ridin along with us man. This is my first journal so Im def tryin ta get it poppin in here! But honestly as far as yield goes Im not sure, I def dont wanna jinx myself! This is my first time usin this space and these nutes so I have nothing dialed in at all! But I usually try ta at least shoot for .5 per watt so with 800 watts a pound would be really nice. And as you can tell from the pics Ive got this 2x4 PACKED with plants! So if they all end havin enough room for proper air flow like Im hopin they will I shouldnt have any problem pullin 400 dry. They just keep branchin out like crazy so Ive been in there every day trimmin off branches that I think might cause future crowding problems. I dont like ta do much pruning during flowering but Id hate ta have ta pull out some plants ta make more room ya know. I initially planned growin all these single cola style but when I evened up the canopy the ones that I trimmed started branchin out like crazy. But the last ones I grew the same size and branchy like this they ended up producin over an ounce a piece! So if they have enough room and they produce the same I could end up with close ta 2! But I doubt it, we'll see!

 

[winta]

lookin good cheif! i wanted to get some chocolope myself so i cant wait to see how she comes out!

 

[Malachi]

That's funny that you say that chief because I actually just picked up some stuff at my hydro store called Plant Success. I have never heard of it before but my buddy at the hydro store told me he has been using it on his strawberries and it out preforms the voodoo juice. Its an Endo & Ecto Mycorrhizae with Beneficial Bacteria. The cool thing about it is that it comes concentrated and makes 50 gallons for 20 bucks. I am hand watering the beneficial's to my cubes instead of adding it directly to the res. I will do this for the first 3-4 weeks, and then the bud candy can keep them fed.

 

[chief greenleaf]

That is funny shit man, Plant Success is good shit I been usin the granular for years in my soil and coco gardens. It works great in holes outdoor too. Im pretty sure that Great White is made by Plant Success, not sure what the dif between it and the normal stuff is tho. Youll def see an increase in root growth, it seems ta really help w/nute uptake as well.

Winta its good ta see ya in here man, I highly recommend the Choc man. Out of a 6 pack I found this pheno and another great one that Im pretty sure is the same pheno that won the cup in 2008. All 6 females I grew out finished in under 9 weeks and produced really well. Right now Ive got Widow, Satori, Sno Cap, OG Power Plant x Satori and 2 dif phenos of Chocolope and everybody loves the Choc over everything else. Ill throw up some picks from the last grow for ya when I get a chance.

 

[winta]

thats whats up! that satori sounds yummy!

 

[Motherhugger]

And since early flower pics arent that much fun heres some bud porn from last harvest just ta keep things interesting! These are cuts from my Satori mom, its the sativa pheno. She produces like crazy and has an amazing sour grape flavor/aroma that reminds me of the grape flavor Big League Chew I used ta get at the concession stands at little league games!
These were taken at about 8 weeks I think, she usually finishes around 9-10 wks. Satori tends ta stretch a lil bit so ta keep the canopy even we did some LST, thats why she's doin a corkscrew around the outside edge of the pot.
Oh yea and I got plenty more pics from the last couple harvests and maybe even from my outdoor crop last year so just holler if ya want more!
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Well, if that last grow is any indication of your current grow, looks like you're going to do awesome on this one as well.

And hey, thanks for pointing out the AN haters that I've been seeing too. All over the forums. Not just here.

Really sad. Can't folks focus on their own grows? After all, we're all adult growers here who can make our own decisions...

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Well, keep updating this - I'm loving it.

 

[chief greenleaf]

thats whats up! that satori sounds yummy!

Winta I highly recommend Satori, I think Mandala is probably the most slept on Seed Co in the game right now. I had a 100% germ rate, with 6 out of 10 seeds ending up female. The genetics were pretty stable as well, small dif in height w/one the produced extremely well but didnt smell as strong as the others. I also had 2 phenos that turned deep purple during the last couple weeks. All their seeds come in 10 packs and only cost like 30-40 bucks depending on where you get em too! I go with Attitude, never had a prob or an order not come (knock on wood!).

Well, if that last grow is any indication of your current grow, looks like you're going to do awesome on this one as well.

And hey, thanks for pointing out the AN haters that I've been seeing too. All over the forums. Not just here.

Really sad. Can't folks focus on their own grows? After all, we're all adult growers here who can make our own decisions...

:party0036:

Well, keep updating this - I'm loving it.

Whats happenin MotherHugger, thanks for stoppin by. Yea Ill def keep yall uptdated dont worry, just not too much goin on right now. Ive kept my mouth shut about the AN crap for a long time man, I always mind my business but when it spilled over into my thread I wasnt about ta bite my tongue anymore. Im honeslty not even sure about my opinion as far as ANs quality goes cause this is my first time usin it, but so far Im pretty impressed. I despise people that hate w/out good reason and do nothin but talk shit and spread negativity post after post. I honestly question whether all of us are adults on here ya know! A lot of these guys are either 14 or just extremely childish, some of the things I read on here blow my mind man. But this grow should actually turn out better than the one pictured, my buddy got a place before I did and I couldnt wait any much longer to flower this Choc pheno for the first time. It was his first time growin so I justchecked in on him every few days and made sure things were goin smoothly. He actually did really well, but I couldnt get him ta follow the feeding schedule right and some other small things that you just learn w/time that are hard ta teach ya know. So this run should really show me what this pheno can really do, as good as these last results have been I cant wait ta see what she can do once I get her nice and dialed in!:cool0010:

 

[chief greenleaf]

So like I said as far as updates there's really not much goin on but Ill try! I change the res every tues, which also signifies the start of a new week and being that much closer to havin big stanky ass buds fallin all over the place in my tent! So for the res change the only thing different this week is I stopped using the Bud Blood and added Big Bud, I upped the PPMs from 800 in week 1 to a little over 1000 this week. There was a bunch of sudsy lookin foam in the res last week that had me freakin out, so I started a thread ta get some advice and damn am I glad Im not a noob!!! Somebody actually told me to cut down all my plants and start over cause I have a yeast infection! He told me to tear down everything and disinfect w/a 20% bleach solution and cut my losses! But I talked to AN and my buddy at the shop and found out that Connoiseur actually has a wetting agent in it and Bud Factor X and a few other AN products are notorious for causin foam in the res especially with high DO levels. SO... good thing I know better cuz the foam was normal and has pretty much gone away for now.
For some reason this run my Choc pheno is actually stretchin a little which kinda sucks because I vegged to the height I wanted them since I got very little stretch on the last 2 runs. I think it might be due to the hydro system causin them to grow extremely fast. They also have been bushing out like crazy and I realized that there was no way they would have room ta flower with all those branches. So I went against my rule of no major trimming after 12/12 and did some serious surgery! Ill post some before and after pics but I really think things will go much smoother now and I wont be forced to remove plants later on in the cycle due to over crowding.
I kinda forgot how slow these start off, I thought the Bud Blood and Open Sesame really kick started em but since the first small pistils that popped the 2nd day of flower they havent shot anymore at all. But last 2 runs they were really slow ta start which made me think they were gonna take forever ta mature and then week 5 hit and they went totally nuts! It seems like they do almost all there flower production during week 5 thru 7 and are finished by day 56 at the latest!
But thats about all the excitement we got goin on in Chief G's Teepee right now, sorry no beautiful bud shots yet but soon my children!
Here's some pics of the before and after pics of all the branching. I really got in there and cleaned everything up really well. Got all the little suckers and small branches and took off a few thick secondary branches that looked like they were gonna cause serious over crowding in the future. Those kinda scared me but the girls took it very well and should bounce back fine, Ive been hittin em with some B1 foliar ta help em restart growth again.
If ya cant tell already the first 5 are befores and the last 3 are afters!:worried

 

[Malachi]

Looks good Chief, my rule of thumb is don't do any trimming after 21 days into flower. I changed my rule of thumb when I switched to hydro. That's when pretty much every strain I have stops stretching for the most part. The surgery looks like it was a success though, that canopy should fill in nicely for you.