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Whoa... seriously? ANY 'contaminant'? You mean like, say... pot smoke?If you don't believe it's harmful to human beings, and you need a scientific paper for you to believe that breathing in any foreign contaminant is bad for you, then I think you should go do a simple experiment go breathe in a small handful of dust/dirt/mold/PM or just regular mildew. Almost anyone of those things being breathed in by a human being could cause problems ranging from sinus infection to basic allergies. I wish no one harm, but I think you need to use a little common sense sometimes. No offense seamaiden but imo your just grasping for straws, my article doesn't talk about PM or a direct infection, I didn't come to my conclusion based on that 1 article, I used common sense and experience(molds/mildews affect some ppl more than others). I also never claimed it would lead to a direct infection, I claimed that it is bad for humans/animals to be breathing it in, and that it would affect the taste of your herb. I don't need a scientific paper to tell me if I inhale in foreign spores of any kind it won't be good for my breathing. Unfortunately I'm certain most of us have tasted PM, before we learned to produce our own quality meds.
Why don't we start a thread then on who would knowingly smoke pm infected meds. Put me down for a NO!!
Sorry maiden, but there may be no proof that pm is harmful but I would rather mitigate it than smoke it.
I have had it and my conscience would NOT allow me or my patients to ingest it. I hated doing it because of all the effort put forth but I threw it out. I'm glad I grow my own so I know exactly what I'm smoking.
This argument could and I am sure will go on and on, but this is another old hippie that has learned how to deal with and avoid it.
I'm still on the fence about it. I don't disagree with the idea that advice on how to mitigate PM is good, but I'm still left with the question, What if the plant is simply not demonstrating fruiting bodies? It's still infected, right?This thread just keeps on ticken. First I would like to apologize to green punk for coming across as aggressive. Second, maiden you surprise me, I have been watching your posts since I first started on the farm and frankly I thought you would be on the other side of this argument. Remember, you carry a lot of respect on this forum and I am afraid that you are encouraging a beginner with pm to keep on doing what they are doing. Instead I think advice on how to mitigate pm would be more beneficial.
If you remember this thread started with a grower selling pm infected meds to a dispensary who will ultimately sell to unsuspecting patients. I think that is immoral and this practice should be discontinued.
I don't know that all plants are infected with PM, but I do know that if you see fruiting bodies, you're seeing the last reproductive stage of the infection. Which means by default that the plant was already infected, it just took a while for fruiting bodies to express.Another point that has come out of this thread is are all plants infected with pm? And even if the pm is under control are we smoking pm. After thinking about it, that is a good question. I grow from clones and there is a good probability that they are infected, I just don't know it using my mitigation technique. I think seeds would still be virgin to pm but there is a good chance all others are infected.
I wish some of you breeders would chime in and give your opinion on this.
I'm sorry kolah, but your corollaries just don't match.
Have you ever eaten a slightly rotten tomato? I have. Wanna know what happens? It tastes bad. That's it.
Bad milk? Different story, and you won't find me arguing that it will cause no harm.
Do you ever see PM on your squashes or other veggies? Do you automatically toss them because you see some spores on the leaves? I sure don't, that's wasteful in my book.
I am the woman who cuts off the moldy bits from the cheese to get to the parts that are still good. I think it helps build our immunities to be in direct contact with that godawful earth (dust & dirt, with all its accoutrement molds, fungi, microbes, GERMS), and guess what--the research supports my position. I am also the woman who'll make her own yogurt in the microwave...! And I keep the culture going, oh my God!
:damnhippie: <--- yet probably like few other hippies you've ever known.
Whoa... seriously? ANY 'contaminant'? You mean like, say... pot smoke?
You're not making a very convincing argument right now, and you should know that I can and do debate issues with my doctor(s) on an equal level. That means you're gonna have to step up your game and not make such basic mistakes in logic and reasoning as you've made above.
There is a growing body of good evidence, scientifically based, cited even, that demonstrates that pot smoke can actually be beneficial (except in extreme cases, i.e. very heavy users). It has been shown to shrink lung tumors, and does not automatically increase the user's chances of developing lung cancer when used alone.
Common sense isn't the same for everyone. I like to use my critical thinking skills instead of making automatic assumptions. This is one area where I've looked into it, trying to learn definitively, and I'm reporting back what I've found. You can use Google Scholar, too, ya know. I still assert that simple ingestion of the PM fungi isn't known to cause an infection *of* PM fungi in humans. There seems to be no mechanism for this fungi to become established in humans. If you can find a paper, I'm happy to read it and become better informed.
Btw, you *do* happen to know that the air around you is already LOADED with a shit-ton (this is a scientific term) of stuff like, for example, powdery mildew spores, right?
come on dude, put the flame thrower away
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