New cultured solutions nutes

[ZurichTheHunter]

If it is at all possible, I would like to see that setup. How many modules are you running inline?

I have a few photos to share but unfortunately not of the net pot / root issue described in my earlier post. In hind site, I really wish I had photo documented the experience - hadn't really planned on sharing - A picture is worth a thousand words and there was a lot learned and would have been helpful to all if I could show pix.

Lastly, apologies for the quality of these pix. I, probably like you have seen some amazing photography on the farm - always intimidates me in sharing my crappy phone photos, as few as there are. Hope you guys still find them interesting.

No Dogs are allowed in the gardens. Just couldn't resist this pic for the farms Christmas card. :-)

 

[FooDoo]

@motherlode Well, as we know, there's more then one way to skin a cat.

As for

you did mention something however about everybody is reading ph wrong so do tell

I wrote

My personal experience goes against everything everyone in this subforum preaches.

Nowhere did I say anyone is wrong.

As for using different nutes being the cause, I doubt it, however until I run a different nutrient line to test that, my doubt's mean absolutely nothing

 

[FooDoo]

@ZurichTheHunter , those custom touches are pretty darn cool. And the craftsmanship is clean and top notch. Can tell you take pride in your work

 

[slimjimham]

Is everyone using cs at the recommended rates? Any extra additives? I have been using 1ml per gallon calimagic...

 

[motherlode]

I'd honestly have to make a whole new thread to discuss how to read PH in the under current correctly.

that statement implies that ph is being read wrong or incorrectly was all I was saying

looking forward to some clarification - even if it is a whole new thread

 

[ZurichTheHunter]

View attachment 483586 wow Im offended (not - lol) but I am puzzled - im not sure how it could be incorrect as that is what the ph ran at (I still have my notes) - if i tried to adjust it the next day it would be right back there and if I left it alone it wouldnt swing at all

you did mention something however about everybody is reading ph wrong so do tell

and I would add I wasnt using the same nutes as you - so that could well have a whole lot to do with it

This past year one of the things I learned from a friend who is an avid "reefer" (saltwater aquarium enthusiasts) is that injecting Oxygen increases pH and injecting Co2 decreases pH.

We have noticed in our gardens that supercharging the nutrient solution with high volumes of oxygen increases the pH in the lights on cycle; however, in the lights off cycle, the plants emit Co2 not only via the canopy, but also thru their roots -> putting downward pressure on pH.

We have our pH controllers set to a mean of 5.8 with a swing of .1 - When pH drops to 5.7, the controller calls for pH up (KOH). When pH reaches 5.9, the controller calls for pH down (H3PO4).

 

[ZurichTheHunter]

@ZurichTheHunter , those custom touches are pretty darn cool. And the craftsmanship is clean and top notch. Can tell you take pride in your work

Thanks FooDoo.

 

[ZurichTheHunter]

Is everyone using cs at the recommended rates? Any extra additives? I have been using 1ml per gallon calimagic...

CS's line just arrived in our gardens late last year - We are halfway into our first run with CS and just getting ready to turn that room to flower.

We don't use ml/gal recommendations on the bottles. We dose nutrients based on ppm's only. The plants are driving the menu and portions. All nutes are dosed via tds controller and directly injected into the epicenter.

 

[ri420patient]

I see one of the bigger problems is that your net is all but useless and is taking up space that you need. I would remove the netting and replace that with some wire cages around each module and put some netting on the ceiling so you could mount some yoyo's. That will do far more to tame these ladies down than that net will. I see a lot of grows with the netting just casually draped over their gardens, the purpose for adding netting is for weaving in the scrog and I have always felt that it needs to be something more substantial than nylon string netting. It is looking very nice in there indeed. I am really digging the air handling you have there. Nice work.

I have cages on there as well

 

[FooDoo]

@ri420patient something doesn't look right. When I see most peoples trees, they have flowers going all the way to the bottom. But your girls have been stripped. Looks like you grew a scrog on steriods instead of trees in UC.

My advice would be to stop stripping all the bottom growth and don't use the net.

Or

Use the net, strip bottom growth, but no need to grow 7 foot tall plants when the bottom 3 feet is just wasted stem

 

[DapperDon]

Nets for smaller bushes and scrogs, cages for beasts and trees!

 

[ZurichTheHunter]

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I have cages on there as well

What do you guys think of super cropping?

We grow SCROG's because of ceiling height. We have a preveg DWC table that comfortably sits 16 plants (1 Room) in 1 Northern Lights DWC table. We modified the holes for the net pots to accomodate the 8" net pots and we preveg all 16 plants under a 1k MH.

While they are in preveg, we super-crop the crap out of them. We grow cookie farm strains for the most part and like to build lots of large branches as close to the grow medium as possible. We find that increasing the size of as many lower branches as we can greatly increases yields.

Because it's best to super-crop the plant when it's young and small, it's not economically viable to super-crop 16 1' tall plants under 4k watts or 8k watts for that matter. We try aaa d conserve energy by sizing the light to the plants. That is why you see our rows of buckets so close together. We can light all 16 pots with 4 lights until the plants are big enough to add the trellis.

As for super-cropping, it wounds the plant and she has to recover. That takes time and having a preveg setup really makes that process work well. When the plants move out of preveg, they have well developed roots, stalks around 3/4" diameter and 1' to 18" tall.

The picture of the starts I posted earlier was taken prenursery / preveg room buildout.

We are geting ready to move some plants around today and if you guys would like, I can take some photos of what that looks like.

 

[ZurichTheHunter]

I now remember why I got involved in this forum.... As I mentioned earlier, we are in our first CS run and are experiencing the dreaded "Claw".

I'm thinking the Cali-Magic is a little hot. We started out running Botanicare's cal-mag as CS has none and we run RO.

The GH Cali-Magic was recommended by CC. When we first started using the CS line, we were having major mag deficiency issues.

Anyway, the GH Cali-magic seems much more concentrated than the Botanicare was. FooDoo, you and DapperDan seem really knowledgable on nutes. Do you guys think the cali-magic should be dialed back a bit? The plants are pulling too much nitrogen as a result of the volume of mag?

We are dosing at about 1 ml / gal or 90 ppm at nute flush. Cal-mag is the first ingredient added to the RO.

 

[FooDoo]

@ZurichTheHunter the claw is nitrogen..so you want tl back off anything that contains N. If Cali magic is your choice of what to use less of, you gotta make sure your mg and ca will still be all good.

Thats why I won't use CS line, you have no idea what your nutrient profile is

Edit: I noticed claw when my N ppm was greater than or equal to 120. I'm comfortable within 100-114 ppm

 

[ZurichTheHunter]

@ZurichTheHunter the claw is nitrogen..so you want tl back off anything that contains N. If Cali magic is your choice of what to use less of, you gotta make sure your mg and ca will still be all good.

Thats why I won't use CS line, you have no idea what your nutrient profile is

Edit: I noticed claw when my N ppm was greater than or equal to 120. I'm comfortable with in 100-114 ppm

I had the impression that In order for a nutrient company to get FDA approval for their nutes to be used with consumable plants, they had to register their recipe with the FDA. I believe that information is available to the public, although Ive never looked.

I thought I remember BIG Mike, one of the partners that owns AN sharing that morsel of info with me.

Does that sound right?

 

[FooDoo]

@ZurichTheHunter yes, they do have to list ingredients, but that doesn't tell us much.

What CS refuses to do, is list bottle weight , which that value is needed when doing the math in figuring out exactly how many ppms of individual elements are going into your stew.

Side note, bushmaster listed all their ingredients and was put on the shelf. Only later they realized one of ingredients causes cancer. Which may or may not have even been listed on the bottle..I forget the details.

In summary, seeing 1-4-0 on a face of a bottle means nothing when you need the weight of the liquid nutrient inside the bottle to determine accurate ppms for nutrient profiling.

 

[ZurichTheHunter]

@ZurichTheHunter yes, they do have to list ingredients, but that doesn't tell us much.

What CS refuses to do, is list bottle weight , which that value is needed when doing the math in figuring out exactly how many ppms of individual elements are going into your stew.

Side note, bushmaster listed all their ingredients and was put on the shelf. Only later they realized one of ingredients causes cancer. Which may or may not have even been listed on the bottle..I forget the details.

In summary, seeing 1-4-0 on a face of a bottle means nothing when you need the weight of the liquid nutrient inside the bottle to determine accurate ppms for nutrient profiling.

Truly appreciate the education guys. My knowledge in this realm is limited.

The California Department of Food and Agriculture (CDFA) Fertilizing Materials Program lists CS Nutes here:



CS Nutes are listed under "Firm Name" - "Current Culture H20"

If you have time, take a look. I would love to know if there is enough info available for you to make the calcs you need. Not sure but would love to know myself.

 

[ri420patient]

 

[ri420patient]

I need nets cages yo yos and whatever else I can to hold these up I've ran it with home made cages now use there's and nets the buds get so heavy they snap branches the net helps me out in the long run

 

[FooDoo]

I need nets cages yo yos and whatever else I can to hold these up I've ran it with home made cages now use there's and nets the buds get so heavy they snap branches the net helps me out in the long run

Why do you grow trees?

That's your grade A buds right there, theres some grad b and the rest is scrap.

That's about 2 feet of completely wasted space. And what, a months worth of.waste veg to.make that wasted 2 feet.

Why grow a 7 foot tall bush and only produce a small cluster of grade a, make a bunch of popcorn that's a.pita to trim, and waste 2 feet of the bottom plant for absolutely no reason?

You could be doing so.much better.