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I'm into week 5 in dwc 600 hps x4
8 x 10 x 6.6foot room.
I've resorted to plain ph water for last 24 hrs as I can't really tell what's going on whether its too much or not enough nutes...?
Have not done pk yet.
I am all canna nutes also.
Source water is mains.
Ph is 6 but it rises too often.
I have half of the 8 plants not too bad but the others are really bad.
30 litre dwc x 8 total vol 140-150 lts
I have 4 hps 600w
Good circulation and an air con unit in there too. Temp is 27 to 28.5c
Water temp via chiller is 19c
Also wc is right down next to nothing as I on plain water no feeds added yet but the ec was 1.8. Since last Friday they have also drunk next to nothing
I am using all canna. Also I just add each nute to the separate feed tank individually. Ec is basically 0.4 now rh is currently 41 and temp is 27.5c
Ive used silver bullet (h202)nd liquid oxygen also at recomended for 140 litres. Sorry to be bit dull whats live or sterile
I am still unclear on many things. I see that you call yourself a newbie, it's OK if you don't know everything, but the questions being asked are important to get to root cause. If you don't know the answer or don't even understand the question, that's cool just ask for clarification. Blowing past the questions is just going to get you guesses as help. The more you give, the better your results will be.
What does "have not done PK yet" mean?
All canna nutes does not help much. Even canna aqua has 2 different sub types - Flora and Vega
CANNA AQUA - Nutrients for recirculating systems | CANNA Gardening USA
CANNA AQUA nutrients are made in such a way that the plants regulate the pH themselves. Keeping the pH in the nutrient reservoir within the optimum pH range is therefore very easy with CANNA AQUA nutrients.www.cannagardening.com
I've never used any of them, so being specific really is a requirement. If we are going to spend the time looking this info up to help you - please make it easy on us to do it. Link to exactly what you are using is the right way to go.
Going back to the no PK thing, are you saying that you have not ever added P or K to your system? What chart or feed schedule are you using?
So this confused me a bit more. We may be mixing terms here, I believe that all of your pots are plumbed together and you have some sort of pump pushing water thru the whole system. But I still don't understand your system. Do you have a res? is there a feed at the top of the bucket that flows out at the bottom and returns to the res? I just really don't get the plumbing. Is this a DIY system?
Source water PPM and PH?
What does PH is 6 but rises too often mean? PH is 6 coming out of the tap but rises over time? Like how much and how fast?
Active bubbling / aeration? How much?
What is wc?
I don't understand your system / plumbing, so I don't understand this reply. What separate feed tanks? Each nute? Like what, N, P K individually? Please take some time and fully explain your nutes, how you are mixing them, how you are adding them, etc and explain it like we do not know what you are doing at all because we don't. Give us your entire nute regimen with as many specifics as you can.
Live means that you are adding beneficial microorganisms to the water which are synergistic with the plants but also out compete bad microorganisms like the ones that cause root rot.
Sterile means that you are continually killing off microorganisms in the water using (typically) H2O2.
You have to pick a method to control what is happening in the root zone, or you will be inviting whatever is out there to move in and take over. This could be pythium for example, which is what causes root rot and will kill your plants left unchecked.
Root Rot
Typically H2O2 is used over chlorine if going sterile because it also boosts O2 in the root zone which is a plus. Bleach does not.
An example of a product for running a live res is great white
Great White Premium Mycorrhizae® - with Beneficial Bacteria and Trichoderma
Great White contains a blend of endo & ecto mycorrhiza, beneficial bacteria, & Trichoderma to enhance water & nutrient uptake. Buy now!plantrevolution.com
I see some severe issues with nutes showing in your pictures. Knowing if this is lock out, deficiency, wrong proportions, too much - whatever - I would only be guessing because there is so much I still don't understand about the situation.
Firstly thanks for taking time to explain things to me.I am still unclear on many things. I see that you call yourself a newbie, it's OK if you don't know everything, but the questions being asked are important to get to root cause. If you don't know the answer or don't even understand the question, that's cool just ask for clarification. Blowing past the questions is just going to get you guesses as help. The more you give, the better your results will be.
What does "have not done PK yet" mean?
All canna nutes does not help much. Even canna aqua has 2 different sub types - Flora and Vega
CANNA AQUA - Nutrients for recirculating systems | CANNA Gardening USA
CANNA AQUA nutrients are made in such a way that the plants regulate the pH themselves. Keeping the pH in the nutrient reservoir within the optimum pH range is therefore very easy with CANNA AQUA nutrients.www.cannagardening.com
I've never used any of them, so being specific really is a requirement. If we are going to spend the time looking this info up to help you - please make it easy on us to do it. Link to exactly what you are using is the right way to go.
Going back to the no PK thing, are you saying that you have not ever added P or K to your system? What chart or feed schedule are you using?
So this confused me a bit more. We may be mixing terms here, I believe that all of your pots are plumbed together and you have some sort of pump pushing water thru the whole system. But I still don't understand your system. Do you have a res? is there a feed at the top of the bucket that flows out at the bottom and returns to the res? I just really don't get the plumbing. Is this a DIY system?
Source water PPM and PH?
What does PH is 6 but rises too often mean? PH is 6 coming out of the tap but rises over time? Like how much and how fast?
Active bubbling / aeration? How much?
What is wc?
I don't understand your system / plumbing, so I don't understand this reply. What separate feed tanks? Each nute? Like what, N, P K individually? Please take some time and fully explain your nutes, how you are mixing them, how you are adding them, etc and explain it like we do not know what you are doing at all because we don't. Give us your entire nute regimen with as many specifics as you can.
Live means that you are adding beneficial microorganisms to the water which are synergistic with the plants but also out compete bad microorganisms like the ones that cause root rot.
Sterile means that you are continually killing off microorganisms in the water using (typically) H2O2.
You have to pick a method to control what is happening in the root zone, or you will be inviting whatever is out there to move in and take over. This could be pythium for example, which is what causes root rot and will kill your plants left unchecked.
Root Rot
Typically H2O2 is used over chlorine if going sterile because it also boosts O2 in the root zone which is a plus. Bleach does not.
An example of a product for running a live res is great white
Great White Premium Mycorrhizae® - with Beneficial Bacteria and Trichoderma
Great White contains a blend of endo & ecto mycorrhiza, beneficial bacteria, & Trichoderma to enhance water & nutrient uptake. Buy now!plantrevolution.com
I see some severe issues with nutes showing in your pictures. Knowing if this is lock out, deficiency, wrong proportions, too much - whatever - I would only be guessing because there is so much I still don't understand about the situation.
ThanksWhen I ran DWC buckets, I ran at a 6.2ph and 600ppm of nuits, your problem looks like an imbalance with your nuit mix, you need more K while your plants are in flower, this is probably why your plant is eating all its fan leaves. I'd ditch the plain water and add nuits to it. Lift your sockets off the floor above any un-planned leaks.
Rdwc and control from main resHi what kind of set up is it, or you running UCRDWC with an over flow, or just RDWC and controlling from your main res, epi center?
I am still unclear on many things. I see that you call yourself a newbie, it's OK if you don't know everything, but the questions being asked are important to get to root cause. If you don't know the answer or don't even understand the question, that's cool just ask for clarification. Blowing past the questions is just going to get you guesses as help. The more you give, the better your results will be.
What does "have not done PK yet" mean?
All canna nutes does not help much. Even canna aqua has 2 different sub types - Flora and Vega
CANNA AQUA - Nutrients for recirculating systems | CANNA Gardening USA
CANNA AQUA nutrients are made in such a way that the plants regulate the pH themselves. Keeping the pH in the nutrient reservoir within the optimum pH range is therefore very easy with CANNA AQUA nutrients.www.cannagardening.com
I've never used any of them, so being specific really is a requirement. If we are going to spend the time looking this info up to help you - please make it easy on us to do it. Link to exactly what you are using is the right way to go.
Going back to the no PK thing, are you saying that you have not ever added P or K to your system? What chart or feed schedule are you using?
So this confused me a bit more. We may be mixing terms here, I believe that all of your pots are plumbed together and you have some sort of pump pushing water thru the whole system. But I still don't understand your system. Do you have a res? is there a feed at the top of the bucket that flows out at the bottom and returns to the res? I just really don't get the plumbing. Is this a DIY system?
Source water PPM and PH?
What does PH is 6 but rises too often mean? PH is 6 coming out of the tap but rises over time? Like how much and how fast?
Active bubbling / aeration? How much?
What is wc?
I don't understand your system / plumbing, so I don't understand this reply. What separate feed tanks? Each nute? Like what, N, P K individually? Please take some time and fully explain your nutes, how you are mixing them, how you are adding them, etc and explain it like we do not know what you are doing at all because we don't. Give us your entire nute regimen with as many specifics as you can.
Live means that you are adding beneficial microorganisms to the water which are synergistic with the plants but also out compete bad microorganisms like the ones that cause root rot.
Sterile means that you are continually killing off microorganisms in the water using (typically) H2O2.
You have to pick a method to control what is happening in the root zone, or you will be inviting whatever is out there to move in and take over. This could be pythium for example, which is what causes root rot and will kill your plants left unchecked.
Root Rot
Typically H2O2 is used over chlorine if going sterile because it also boosts O2 in the root zone which is a plus. Bleach does not.
An example of a product for running a live res is great white
Great White Premium Mycorrhizae® - with Beneficial Bacteria and Trichoderma
Great White contains a blend of endo & ecto mycorrhiza, beneficial bacteria, & Trichoderma to enhance water & nutrient uptake. Buy now!plantrevolution.com
I see some severe issues with nutes showing in your pictures. Knowing if this is lock out, deficiency, wrong proportions, too much - whatever - I would only be guessing because there is so much I still don't understand about the situation.
Also I am adding each nutrient as per the canna aqua feed chart separately to the res tank. Pk being pk 13/14 which is due to be added to feeds this week as per canna chart.also have 6 inch air stones per bucket
Thats the one
I have all 6 plus h202 and canna ph bloom down as well as normal ph up and down. I have truncheon and ph pen. Ph source is closer to seven but adjust that before adding nutes which are measured accurately by large and small syringe
I am using all canna. Also I just add each nute to the separate feed tank individually. Ec is basically 0.4 now rh is currently 41 and temp is 27.5c
Ok great I have digital ballasts so will lower them to 200 or 400? Also have small humidifier which will switch on. I did a res change 2 days ago and since then have been on plain water. I added 1/4 strength to what it should be of all nutes which are aqua flores a and b 120ml rhizo 20ml cannazym 88ml and boost 70ml I haven't added pk13/14 should I add that as well. I added h202 120ml also which I believe I should add that amount same time every day?One more point, if we can get them kick started drinking by raising the RH lowering light and fixing what the roots are sitting in, once they take off and start drinking again you will likely not need to continue to address RH - the plants will raise the RH themselves.
I would go 400. This is only to aid in recovery, they will get turned back up when you are thru with symptoms.Ok great I have digital ballasts so will lower them to 200 or 400? Also have small humidifier which will switch on. I did a res change 2 days ago and since then have been on plain water. I added 1/4 strength to what it should be of all nutes which are aqua flores a and b 120ml rhizo 20ml cannazym 88ml and boost 70ml I haven't added pk13/14 should I add that as well. I added h202 120ml also which I believe I should add that amount same time every day?
I have half of the 8 plants not too bad but the others are really bad.
30 litre dwc x 8 total vol 140-150 lts
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