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Hi all

Sorry if I have missed something in the search or elsewhere but I cannot seem to find an answer anywhere. This is my first grow and I am a little worried about my girls.

I am using Cannabio full range under 600w HPS

The first thing is the first few leaves were growing sort of sides ways, so I moved the light up and that seemed to help. Fiday before I left I gave them their first feed (week old) and left to do some stuff and got back Early sunday morning and they had doubled in size. Now when I look, some have grown more than others and the new shoot (where the fan leaves join the main stem) are growing a little bent again and one looks like it has a few light spots forming on it. Any help and/or advice will be greatly appreciated.

Regards
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Sorry I forgot to mention they're Critical+ 2.0. If anybody has experience with this strain that would be awesome because I'd like to know befor hand if they are heavy feeders/hungry girls. I have read quite a bit and the light spot I can see just starting to form from what I have seen/read look like the beginnings of nutrient deficiency - but I am a noob so wouldn't 'really' know but I did start with a 'normal' feed according to the biocanna feed chart.

Thanks again



Kind regards
 
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You plants look fine to me. The biggest problem with your 1st grow is a watch. The thing on your wrist. It's been 5 minutes, better check on things. Another 5 minutes...no change...is something wrong?
The hardest part is patience. Plants do things slowly and you need to move into their time zone. The plants look good so far, so don't start to see things that aren't there. You will always fins some spots or some dead leaves in a plant, that is just their nature. Once they grow a little bigger and get into full veg mode, the problems will probably disappear. Nutrient deficiencies happen slowly and not typically when the plant is still starting out. This is sort of what I was referring to as being patient. Here is a scenario I hope you avoid, but see many succumb to it:
You feel that your plants need something, so you add a nutrient that you think it needs. You notice that it seems to be drooping, so you add water. This doesn't seem to help...maybe some Cal-Mag will help (I use this as an example, as I think it is overused in some applications). When that doesn't help, maybe it's nute-lock, so you change the Ph. Things go from bad to worse when the PH unlocked the locked nutrients...now you have too many nutrients and the plant is suffering. Its VERY EASY to make this mistake!
Usually the plants will do well without all of the nutrients and stuff that the fertilizer companies insist that you need. Let your plants continue for a while and see if the problem gets any worse. Chasing after a problem is probably the #1 mistake that first time growers make besides needing more patience. Yo are doing a good job so far, keep it up.
 
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You plants look fine to me. The biggest problem with your 1st grow is a watch. The thing on your wrist. It's been 5 minutes, better check on things. Another 5 minutes...no change...is something wrong?
The hardest part is patience. Plants do things slowly and you need to move into their time zone. The plants look good so far, so don't start to see things that aren't there. You will always fins some spots or some dead leaves in a plant, that is just their nature. Once they grow a little bigger and get into full veg mode, the problems will probably disappear. Nutrient deficiencies happen slowly and not typically when the plant is still starting out. This is sort of what I was referring to as being patient. Here is a scenario I hope you avoid, but see many succumb to it:
You feel that your plants need something, so you add a nutrient that you think it needs. You notice that it seems to be drooping, so you add water. This doesn't seem to help...maybe some Cal-Mag will help (I use this as an example, as I think it is overused in some applications). When that doesn't help, maybe it's nute-lock, so you change the Ph. Things go from bad to worse when the PH unlocked the locked nutrients...now you have too many nutrients and the plant is suffering. Its VERY EASY to make this mistake!
Usually the plants will do well without all of the nutrients and stuff that the fertilizer companies insist that you need. Let your plants continue for a while and see if the problem gets any worse. Chasing after a problem is probably the #1 mistake that first time growers make besides needing more patience. Yo are doing a good job so far, keep it up.
Hi

Thanks for the reply. Yeah my GF keeps sighing at me and telling "they've not changed since the last time you looked" lol. They I went with organics for two reason 1) I read it's much more forgiving and 2) It's organic (well, apparently the cannabio full range is). To be fair, from what I can gather, they're actually doing quite well, I have worked out that they're actually 13 days from when they popped above the soil and are at their 4th node so, correct me if I'm wrong, they're doing quite well. The leaves were drooping a little and the soil did feel a little dry so I gave them a good drink (I watered bit by bit, trying to make sure all of the said got wet) and made sure there was some run off. Like an idiot though I fed again, and I think I may have made a mistake with that because the tips are starting to curl down ever so slightly but, they are all now pointing up nicely so I think I got the water right. However, I will have to do as you say now and just wait and see and be patient - hopefully they're really hungry girls and I won't be bitten.

Again, Thank you very much for your advice it is very much appreciated.

Kind regards, peace
 

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Hi

Thanks for the reply. Yeah my GF keeps sighing at me and telling "they've not changed since the last time you looked" lol. They I went with organics for two reason 1) I read it's much more forgiving and 2) It's organic (well, apparently the cannabio full range is). To be fair, from what I can gather, they're actually doing quite well, I have worked out that they're actually 13 days from when they popped above the soil and are at their 4th node so, correct me if I'm wrong, they're doing quite well. The leaves were drooping a little and the soil did feel a little dry so I gave them a good drink (I watered bit by bit, trying to make sure all of the said got wet) and made sure there was some run off. Like an idiot though I fed again, and I think I may have made a mistake with that because the tips are starting to curl down ever so slightly but, they are all now pointing up nicely so I think I got the water right. However, I will have to do as you say now and just wait and see and be patient - hopefully they're really hungry girls and I won't be bitten.

Again, Thank you very much for your advice it is very much appreciated.

Kind regards, peace
The thing about organics is a well amended soil with as little human interference as possible. For containers at least. Not a good approach if you want to micro manage. You’re using bottles which some will not consider as an organic approach but that doesn’t matter.

Even with bottles, organics is very forgiving. One fuck up will not kill your crop and they will not even show any symptoms with one over fertilization. When its chronic, then you got a problem. You have to just let them do their thing. Its very hard i know :)
 
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The thing about organics is a well amended soil with as little human interference as possible. For containers at least. Not a good approach if you want to micro manage. You’re using bottles which some will not consider as an organic approach but that doesn’t matter.

Even with bottles, organics is very forgiving. One fuck up will not kill your crop and they will not even show any symptoms with one over fertilization. When its chronic, then you got a problem. You have to just let them do their thing. Its very hard i know :)
Hi

Yeah I read quite a bit about organics and for me, true organics would be in the actual ground, from seed in the ground and left alone, just how nature intended and just leave them... I'm glad to learn that one fuck won't kill me and that it will take some serious or multiple mistakes to cause problems because no doubt at some point, knowing me, it will happen lol. I think I will just sit back now and let them do their thing.. apparently there's enough pre-fertiliser in canna terra bio for a couple weeks, that and the two lots of feed I just gave them should I think be ok and I will just water for the next couple...

Thanks again for the help/advice

peace
 
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I think buddys talking about organic soil mixes that you’d just water mostly and not be fertilizing with bottles and shit.
Personally I like organics but I like chemicals also. I use ‘organic’ products where I can but at times it’s just overpriced over hyped nonsense that my $20 kg bag of maxibloom makes a mockery of. You gotta have an eye for navigating the world of folks trying to sell you rotten fish guts in a bottle of watered down molasses vs great naturally derived ferts
 
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I think buddys talking about organic soil mixes that you’d just water mostly and not be fertilizing with bottles and shit.
Personally I like organics but I like chemicals also. I use ‘organic’ products where I can but at times it’s just overpriced over hyped nonsense that my $20 kg bag of maxibloom makes a mockery of. You gotta have an eye for navigating the world of folks trying to sell you rotten fish guts in a bottle of watered down molasses vs great naturally derived ferts

HI

AH ok coolo... Is maxibloom something I can use that way? I'd much rather something like that because I'd consider that more organic (providing it hasn't been loaded with chemicals before hand). I am using the full cannabio range. would you say this was snake oil? I have read that the bioboost is the business. Can you recommend anything else that is better?

Thanks

Peace
 
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As far as nutrients, I stay with the basics. Much like beer is made, I use just a few ingredients. The results are better than most, but probably could be improved if I spent the money and stuff, but after a while the difference between a basic , well tuned grow and one that uses all of the magic potions is pretty small. Don't get me wrong, some of the products are great, but as someone mentioned, it's hard to tell the difference between the BS and the truth. Organics, or "living soil" is good, but takes a lot of busy work to get it right...I use mostly organics except for the Jack's 20-20-20 that I use. It's not real fancy but it works well and is inexpensive.
Keep up the good work, go easy on the feedings until the plant needs them. The 1st sign of overfertilizing is usually leaf droop, looking like they need water. Avoid this and you will be fine.
 
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Ya jacks and maxi are classic 1 part k.i.s.s. Nutes. Maxi is general hydro and folks don’t love supporting them so much on here. Not sure the price can be beat but there are better products out there of course. It’s absolutely not organic lol. Looks like pink meth/coolaid.
 
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As far as nutrients, I stay with the basics. Much like beer is made, I use just a few ingredients. The results are better than most, but probably could be improved if I spent the money and stuff, but after a while the difference between a basic , well tuned grow and one that uses all of the magic potions is pretty small. Don't get me wrong, some of the products are great, but as someone mentioned, it's hard to tell the difference between the BS and the truth. Organics, or "living soil" is good, but takes a lot of busy work to get it right...I use mostly organics except for the Jack's 20-20-20 that I use. It's not real fancy but it works well and is inexpensive.
Keep up the good work, go easy on the feedings until the plant needs them. The 1st sign of overfertilizing is usually leaf droop, looking like they need water. Avoid this and you will be fine.
Yep that's what's happening.... the leaves are now dropping down instead

Yeah that's exactly what is starting to happen... leaves are drooping like they're thirsty and one leaf tip is ever so slightly curling under so I'll just water for a couple of rounds with n9 fertiliser
 
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The one item I’d question is the 600 watt hps, might be a touch too much light for effectively young seedlings. Check that via the hand method, place hand for a few moments at the tops of your plants and see how much heat your light is imparting to it (your hand). Raise light till the heats acceptable. Anyone with hps (I’m led only) please chime in with better suggestions on height...
Since your asking...
 
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The one item I’d question is the 600 watt hps, might be a touch too much light for effectively young seedlings. Check that via the hand method, place hand for a few moments at the tops of your plants and see how much heat your light is imparting to it (your hand). Raise light till the heats acceptable. Anyone with hps (I’m led only) please chime in with better suggestions on height...
Since your asking...
HI

Thanks for the info/tip. I have had them dimmed to 400w and the shade quite high because I did read it was too much. I did just now notice the serrated edges turning up which I also read is due to heat. I didn't howver know about how to test like you just explained. Thanks for that much appreciated.

In regards to LEDs, I have been looking at amare solareclipse se500 uvb and was wondering if they're worth it. I read somewhere that 1.25 - 1.5 gpw is easily achievable and they're supposed to be equivalent to 800w HPS. Ya reckon that's a bit too much of a claim orrrr???

Thanks again


Peace
 
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HI

Thanks for the info/tip. I have had them dimmed to 400w and the shade quite high because I did read it was too much. I did just now notice the serrated edges turning up which I also read is due to heat. I didn't howver know about how to test like you just explained. Thanks for that much appreciated.

In regards to LEDs, I have been looking at amare solareclipse se500 uvb and was wondering if they're worth it. I read somewhere that 1.25 - 1.5 gpw is easily achievable and they're supposed to be equivalent to 800w HPS. Ya reckon that's a bit too much of a claim orrrr???

Thanks again


Peace
All know is what I’ve learned through direct experience regarding lights. I started with some bluples that I hoped would be ok, ratcheted my expectations with every new light that I bought, which at the time $300 a throw wasn’t a lot, but on something I didn’t have any experience on was a leap of faith.
I grew with those bluples for six or seven years then two seasons back took another chance joining the cob scene. Jumped in, bought a kit and theyve worked fine for me, with the added benefit that I don’t need the protective glasses, that the bluples required.
Bought another kit this past year...
As far as yield claims...that’s entirely a different matter with many variables, just to name a few: grower experience, grow environment, adherence to keeping pests out of the grow cycle, lights, amount of veg time allotted and mostly strain. Mix all that together spin around three times and pull a number out of the air, you might end up with nothing, this is growing, much like fishing...
 
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If all you have is the 600, i'd just raise it up to the very roof of your space. I run my 315cmh as high as I can for seedlings and veg, slightly different light quality, but my cmh will fade veg plants if I hang it at the ~2 feet or less that I do in flower. Used to toss em under a t5ho fixture and they would bounce back under less light, now I just hang a cmh up high and place smaller plants in the outside edges of its coverage. You can veg under HID, just have to keep in mind that the setup needs to be a little different than in flower.
 
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If all you have is the 600, i'd just raise it up to the very roof of your space. I run my 315cmh as high as I can for seedlings and veg, slightly different light quality, but my cmh will fade veg plants if I hang it at the ~2 feet or less that I do in flower. Used to toss em under a t5ho fixture and they would bounce back under less light, now I just hang a cmh up high and place smaller plants in the outside edges of its coverage. You can veg under HID, just have to keep in mind that the setup needs to be a little different than in flower.
Ah cool... I am using Omega dual spectrum as I thought that would be cool to stop stretch and also because I can dim with the dimmable ballast. They are a little over two weeks old now and starting their 5th node/s yet they're about 3" - 4" tall so I am assuming I'm doing ok... Now that I have raised the hood they seem happier too (leaves arn't curling up at the edges).

The LED kits you speak of. Wouyldn't be mouser (grow mouse) would they? I have been looking into DIY kits and even thinking of copying the Amare units as they state what cobbs they use on their site. Saying that though, if I could kill some of this heat and get 1 gpw I'd be more than happy to pay the price. I mean I use a 4 x 4 tent, and to get 1/2 a kg from that would be awesome - me and the Mrs wouldn't have enough smoke for aaaaggees lol.

speaking of heat, I read a lot about how that can ruin things and I will have to upgrade the fan but for me, it makes no difference how great your fan is if the air you're drawing in is 30c then you're flogging a dead horse. I think A/C is in order. lol
 
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Ok now I am starting to get a little concerned. I 'think' I have two phenotypes. Two are a dark green and have a very close/tight structure (compared to the other two) and two are taller, lighter and looser structured. two look the same as each other and the other two look the same as each other - like two sets of twins. anyway, one of the darker ones is starting to show signs of what looks to my untrained eye like some sort of nutrient/mineral deficiency. Would one of you lovely lot be able to confirm this or not, and whatever the case advise me please. I'd hate to lose one of my girls.
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Thank you all again kindly for your help and advice


Regards


Peace
 
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Ok now I am starting to get a little concerned. I 'think' I have two phenotypes. Two are a dark green and have a very close/tight structure (compared to the other two) and two are taller, lighter and looser structured. two look the same as each other and the other two look the same as each other - like two sets of twins. anyway, one of the darker ones is starting to show signs of what looks to my untrained eye like some sort of nutrient/mineral deficiency. Would one of you lovely lot be able to confirm this or not, and whatever the case advise me please. I'd hate to lose one of my girls.
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Thank you all again kindly for your help and advice


Regards


Peace
Its common to see multiple phenos in a strain. Doesn't mean that they at risk in any way.
 
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