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[squiggly]

The "Truth" would be Refreshing... If one of his butifull daughters "Died" via. A Fast and Furrious weapon you can bet "Heads Would be Rolling" like the balls on A pool table in the Justice Department... Unless it was his "Head" of course.

It's like you're just puking out all the buzzwords conservative media fed you in the last week or so. Had any original thoughts lately?

If you look into the type of tactic being employed in that program it is a VERY COMMON tactic for US Law Enforcement. If you remember a few months back the Iranian assassination plot that was foiled:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/...ia-ambassador-us-assassination_n_1005861.html

Even posted from conservative media to fit your sensibilities.

What happened in this case was the person running the op fucked up big time. The guns should've been disabled, or had tracking devices inside of them. They didn't. You shouldn't hold Obama personally responsible for that mistake--you can if you want, that's your right, but its an especially asinine outlook.

To think the president can go through and confirm every detail of every DOJ operation is almost childish. If this was required--what you'd find is more successful bomb plots, more heroin/crack/meth getting through, and more guns on the streets irregardless of who is in the white house.

The real world is REAL, it's not this subjective place where everything gets passed through a "how-do-I-blame-Obama-for-this" filter. That's the pair of sunglasses that the GOP and conservatives look through--and it makes you look like you're wearing drunk goggles for your brain (makes you seem unable to parse complicated ideas).

 

[SoCal 420]

Yeah, that is what someone else keeps saying/implying... I didn't "Say" Obama was responsible... I said the "Truth " would be nice... Envokeing Executive privilidge when congress pushes Eric Holder, Att. General, Head of the "Justice" Departent (If you care to call it that) for the "Truth" behind A "Fuck up Big Time" as you "Do" Call it, When the D.O.J. is "Responsible" for (Self Admitedly) or Provides Oversite of if You Prefer... Is not an Example of "Promoting Truth" or the "Most Transparent Administtration you will Ever See" as Obama would put it... His words, Not Mine. What I would Offer is that it Wouldn't Even be the Issue that it is if Someone would Say... This thing with Brian Terry was A Terrible Thing, the Whole Program, Maybe Not Such A Good Idea... We Should "Know" how these Decisions Occured, Who Thought This Would be Good for American/Mexican Citizens... and Make More Rules/Laws...
Because all of Our Leaders,Dem,Rep,Whatever, Have Trouble Following Them, and Make "Sure" it Dosen't Happen Again For the Bennifit of American/Mexican Citizens that May or May not be A Casuality of Such an Opp... Who Could of Have Known This Would Happen, Right? If this Opinion Seams "Biased" or "Unfair" to You in Some Way, I am Sorry I Have "Offended" You with my Extremeist Views... To Which I Reply... I am Not Extreme, The Fuckin' Justice Department is Extreme! I mean, I'm A Legal Citizen of the U.S., They didn't Offer me any Automatic Weapons to Defend Myself From this Shit! I Spend Serious Time Very Close to the Areas Where this Crap Happened...

 

[SoCal 420]

Anyone here in the USA or California especially had amazing university system that was well affordable from 60's, 70's..
My relatives came from another country too as I'm not native american. Had both side of the family come through Ellis, their children and grandchildren got the amazing Cali university system..that was my main point.

p.s. It started that way for a lot of people...
Also, my relatives were getting shot at and prosecuted as they ran for America and only some of them made it onto a ship that brought them here...not saying it's all pretty. But saying America has offered and allowed many people a beautiful life compared to where they came from and how the people get treated by those govts...

SoCal 420 said: ↑

I am not an "alarmist" by any means and I speak for myself but I am against the systamatic errosion of our constitional rights and that's what "Is" the fundemental definition of what "Being American" is all about... Our personal rights guaranteed via. the constitution are being slowly but surely striped away and that is the only thig that determines wether we are "Citizens" or "Subjects" "Part of" or "Ruled By" I Fear that the days of "Good" free education are short and numbered. We do pay for it you know. And the only free education in the future will be obtained via the will to educate ones "Self" Ever take A close look at some of the people that are educating our children, our future? Teachers backed by unions, who pay big bro, to keep them paid and working, even when molesting children, teaching their agenda and pushing their own beliefs? This is not the case with all teachers by any means but it is becoming more prevelant. You aware of how hard union backing makes it to out A shitty teacher... Just Sayin'​

You are most definately right my brotha, I agree with everything you are saying. Now with free education of course we are paying for it one way or another, but my younger brother can get a 2 year Associates Degree from a community college and he gets a check from the government that pays for that education and then some. I know that money comes from our hard earned tax dollars but I was just making a point, that no country on Earth that is considered "poor" has those kinds of benefits for there youth, and thats one reason I am thankful I was not born in one of those countries. You understand my point of view, right?​

people say "money doesn't grow on trees"...u sure bout that :)
lex0415, Wednesday at 5:08 PM

 

[SoCal 420]

It's like you're just puking out all the buzzwords conservative media fed you in the last week or so. Had any original thoughts lately?

If you look into the type of tactic being employed in that program it is a VERY COMMON tactic for US Law Enforcement. If you remember a few months back the Iranian assassination plot that was foiled:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/...ia-ambassador-us-assassination_n_1005861.html

Even posted from conservative media to fit your sensibilities.

What happened in this case was the person running the op fucked up big time. The guns should've been disabled, or had tracking devices inside of them. They didn't. You shouldn't hold Obama personally responsible for that mistake--you can if you want, that's your right, but its an especially asinine outlook.

To think the president can go through and confirm every detail of every DOJ operation is almost childish. If this was required--what you'd find is more successful bomb plots, more heroin/crack/meth getting through, and more guns on the streets irregardless of who is in the white house.

The real world is REAL, it's not this subjective place where everything gets passed through a "how-do-I-blame-Obama-for-this" filter. That's the pair of sunglasses that the GOP and conservatives look through--and it makes you look like you're wearing drunk goggles for your brain (makes you seem unable to parse complicated ideas).

Drunk Googles... What A Childish Statement to "Enforce" you Scientific Perception of "Reality" What would "You' lead us to Believe Mr. Scientist... Fast and Furious, It's Alive :eek: It is A "Self" Created Thing... Opperating on it's Own, It Has Become "Self Aware" :eek: Eric Holder... Oh My God, Where did this "Thing" Come From. We Have No Idea... It is Running... ITSELF :eek: I Don't Know Anything about This Thing and Neither Do
"MY" People... Remember before You offer A Scientific Explanation... Eric Holder and "HIS' Staff are the People Running the D.O.J. @ "THIS" Time... They are in Control of the D.O.J. @ "This" Time...Who is 'Responsible @ This Time???

I would submit, for Consideration... That it takes "No Rocket Scientist" Parden the Pun... to Answer This Question, If you have to "Think" about this in any way shape or form it is "Your " thought process/perception that may have been "Negatively" Influnced/Altered by "OutSide" Stimuli... Just A Few More "BuzzWords" I Picked Up from the Conservative Media... Nice Try though Bro...

 

[squiggly]

I'm done--not getting into another one of these.

You argue like a 17 year old--lots of information, but little perspective. Lots of hyperbole, and little careful consideration. All I gotta say about that.

 

[baba G]

Hey, squiggly I know some incredible adept 17 year olds that compete in parlimentary and CEDA debate on the national level...
Just had to speak up for the 17yr olds....lol

Hope you enjoying your weekend squiggly?

 

[SoCal 420]

“It is the first responsibility of every citizen to question authority.”
― Benjamin Franklin
Benjamin Franklin was a writer, a philosopher, a scientist, a politician, a patriot, a Founding Father. He helped with the founding of the United States of America and changed the world with his discoveries about electricity.
His writings such as Poor Richards' Almanac have provided wisdom for many generations. He has left behind an extraordinary legacy.


Another "Whacked out Conservitive/Independent" Squiggly?

 

[squiggly]

Hey, squiggly I know some incredible adept 17 year olds that compete in parlimentary and CEDA debate on the national level...
Just had to speak up for the 17yr olds....lol

Hope you enjoying your weekend squiggly?

I should've said like a normal 17 year old.

For what it's worth, those 17 year olds would present more impressive arguments than more than half of the residents of this thread :P

I am of the mind that everyone should be a student of debate, this is the correct way to logically come to conclusions together. The power of humans isn't so locked up in strength in numbers so much as it is strength in multiple perspectives. This generation (mine) and the 2-3 previous to it (anyone 45 and down) seem to have forgotten entirely how to do this.

If every person would read Aristotle for understanding and apply it to their everyday life--we'd see a massive turn around in this country. Unfortunately people are all too happy to let the TV, or other people who's expertise they are unable to judge or logically refute, tell them everything they need to know.

 

[squiggly]

“It is the first responsibility of every citizen to question authority.”
― Benjamin Franklin
Benjamin Franklin was a writer, a philosopher, a scientist, a politician, a patriot, a Founding Father. He helped with the founding of the United States of America and changed the world with his discoveries about electricity.
His writings such as Poor Richards' Almanac have provided wisdom for many generations. He has left behind an extraordinary legacy.


Another "Whacked out Conservitive/Independent" Squiggly?

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He said a lot more than that:

A countryman between two lawyers is like a fish between two cats.

A good conscience is a continual Christmas.

A great empire, like a great cake, is most easily diminished at the edges.

A life of leisure and a life of laziness are two things. There will be sleeping enough in the grave.

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All mankind is divided into three classes: those that are immovable, those that are movable, and those that move.​

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AND I SAVED THE BEST FOR LAST:

An investment in knowledge pays the best interest.

Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain and most fools do.​

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Being ignorant is not so much a shame, as being unwilling to learn. ​

A learned blockhead is a greater blockhead than an ignorant one.

And my favorite:

For having lived long, I have experienced many instances of being obliged, by better information or fuller consideration, to change opinions, even on important subjects, which I once thought right but found to be otherwise.

 

[SoCal 420]

He said a lot more than that:

A countryman between two lawyers is like a fish between two cats.

A good conscience is a continual Christmas.

A great empire, like a great cake, is most easily diminished at the edges.

A life of leisure and a life of laziness are two things. There will be sleeping enough in the grave.

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All mankind is divided into three classes: those that are immovable, those that are movable, and those that move.​

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AND I SAVED THE BEST FOR LAST:

An investment in knowledge pays the best interest.

Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain and most fools do.​

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Being ignorant is not so much a shame, as being unwilling to learn. ​

A learned blockhead is a greater blockhead than an ignorant one.

And my favorite:

For having lived long, I have experienced many instances of being obliged, by better information or fuller consideration, to change opinions, even on important subjects, which I once thought right but found to be otherwise.

Thanks for Your Support Squiggly :D How are we going to get Obama to read this though... Maybe after next week (Supreme Court Verdict, Holder in Contempt of Congress) or so his Vision will broaden via the necessity to survive and have any chance of Re-Election. A second term would give him the oppertunity to Accomplish some of the things He promised when He ran for his first election... Oh well I'll get back to my book "The Destroyer" currently #2 New York Times best Seller... After that, Maybe "The Amature" @ #1, like you implied, Read to Broaden the Mind, Everybody Knows Television is Predominately owned Via left wing, and Heavily Biased.

 

[dirk d]

the problem isn't Obama it's congress and this bullshit supreme court ruling that corporations can give as much $$$ to a political party that they want. I don't know how this even got passed..well i guess i do...corruption...

 

[squiggly]

the problem isn't Obama it's congress and this bullshit supreme court ruling that corporations can give as much $$$ to a political party that they want. I don't know how this even got passed..well i guess i do...corruption...

A-fuckin'-men.

The biggest swindle and heist that has ever occurred in this country politically is that of congress convincing you (and previous generations) that the president matters.

He DOES NOT. Congress is the most direct line to the people, and they wield the most power as a government body BY SO FAR YOU COULDN'T POSSIBLY IMAGINE IT.

The way congress at first convinced us of how important the president is was during WWII and Vietnam, because in wars the president IS important. That's his job.

You can say what you want about how Obama has handled wars since his presidency--and commenting on this type of thing would be valid, because this is his real job. He is commander-in-chief of THE MILITARY, not America itself. I think he's done a bang up job in this dpt. personally.

He's killed literally twice the number of al-qaeda operatives and overseen not even 1/4 as many deaths of service members. He's been raining hellfire from the sky on these dudes. He's kickin ass and taking names. In this department he's doing his job--and that is his job, so it makes sense he should be.

Far be it from Republicans to tell you that, though. If it was a white republican in office--they'd be more than happy with this performance coming from that person. Such an asinine party.

Facts are facts, as it goes to legislation, the economy, and the general goings-on of the country--CONGRESS runs the show. The president only signs off on what they do and they have DONE NOTHING ON PURPOSE IN AN ATTEMPT TO BLAME IT ON OBAMA.

If you want to be duped by that, fine.

Just know that you're being duped, though.

The very people who are telling you to hate Obama, are actually responsible for more than 3/4 of what they want you to hate him for. They say he's done nothing, but leave out the fact that he can't do anything without them. Now they point fingers at him for all the executive orders--he has no choice, they won't work with him at all--they will do anything to get him out of office including sink this country (credit downgrade, anyone?). This is not lost on THEM its only lost on you.

 

[squiggly]

Obamacare ftw!!

 

[dirk d]

So i figured if we are going to hate a race let's at least try and understand where they come from. I'm not much of a religious person but i do have family members who pray 5x a day. When I actually think about it. What's wrong with meditating for a couple minutes several times a day?? Maybe we could all learn a thing or 10! lol


whatever your faith, we could all use a time out from our go go lives to just reflect on our world and ourselves. This is the call to Friday Prayers.

 

[SoCal 420]

All I Have to say is "Fuck Obama" and his Congress... That gave Us "Obama Care" Suprise... They're going to Tax your Democratic "Blue" and Republican "Red" balls off. Like Nancy Pelosi said "You have to Pass it to Know What's in It" All 2000+ pages of it... Well, Here's What's in it... If you don't Like it... We'll Tax your Balls Off...

 

[dirk d]

Actually Congress has a Republican Majority. Is ObamaCare perfect?? no But i tell you this, This current system is Fucking Broke! Insurance Companies and Hospitals and Big Pharma are the root cause behind our shitty health business.

And what could really be so wrong that we tell a sick person that he can't get care because he has a pre-existing condition. There is so much bullshit in the health insurance world it would make your head spin. We are the supposed "greatest country in the world" yet our healthcare system is ranked 37th by WHO. It's actually very embarassing.

Here's a simple question...How do you Fund a War if you don't raise any taxes? how bout 2 Wars?? It's getting to the point that no matter how hard you work you still have nothing. Democrats have run this country into the ground and so have the Republicans. I blame Republicans more but Democrats definitely were at fault as well.

 

[Dirty White Boy]

The supreme court passed it as a taxation. Really makes little difference what they passed it as but thats what the surpreme court chose. Im really annoyed by people who dont understand history. Its called evolving and adapting. It takes a risk to push new ideas, its called evolution. "take a method and try it, if it fails admit it frankly and try another, but above all try another" Im tired of dim individuals tossing slurs only pointing out the flaws and never putting forth a solution.....

You call it Obamacare but your ignorance has lead you away from the truth......Obamacare was based off a group of citizens who worked out a law and passed it to there governor Mitt....people are entitled to their opinions, but nobody is entitled to facts.

Protect your rights at the cost of others.....thats what you want......so catch 22 and ironic.....no just stupid blindsided rasicsm....say what you mean you dont want a negro as president......screw the well its dem its repub......... JUST SAY HOW YOU FEEL....dont push dumshit ideas like well obamacare...blah blah blah.....we all know what you mean.

 

[Dirty White Boy]

Actually Congress has a Republican Majority. Is ObamaCare perfect?? no But i tell you this, This current system is Fucking Broke! Insurance Companies and Hospitals and Big Pharma are the root cause behind our shitty health business.

And what could really be so wrong that we tell a sick person that he can't get care because he has a pre-existing condition. There is so much bullshit in the health insurance world it would make your head spin. We are the supposed "greatest country in the world" yet our healthcare system is ranked 37th by WHO. It's actually very embarassing.

Here's a simple question...How do you Fund a War if you don't raise any taxes? how bout 2 Wars?? It's getting to the point that no matter how hard you work you still have nothing. Democrats have run this country into the ground and so have the Republicans. I blame Republicans more but Democrats definitely were at fault as well.

Its called bluedogs....people forget about the number of republicans who switched sides back in 06-08. Thats what has made things so fucked. Its not real democrats and liberals.....If it were we wouldnt be were we are at. But some tricky little conservatives said shit I cant get relected if I dont flop sides.

 

[dirk d]

I like this Guy. What happened to just being Americans??

 

[dirk d]

Nicely said.