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I can see that it not being a problem outdoors, just indoors... probably has to do more with peeps using to much?
I use it my teas, it deff feeds the micro life...
I use it my teas, it deff feeds the micro life...
So u are saying that u shud use small amounts and around week 6or7 up the amount to get that fading/yellowing?Bannacis, that's what I think, that perhaps people may be using too much, depending on their goals of course. I've used higher rates with the specific goal of forcing fading/yellowing late in flower. Gotta get the timing right, because once that microbe population explosion crashes, you get all kinds of available N.
I prefer using lower amounts through the grow. If I have a plant that I feel is too green near the end of the run, then I will up the amount in a large way and force yellowing by causing an explosion of microbes.So u are saying that u shud use small amounts and around week 6or7 up the amount to get that fading/yellowing?
Definitely the harshness is the mg, good that you stop early.
The rev states not to use liquid nutes on your soil, just in your teas and only a little at that. His brand of earth juice is all organic.
And too much of it is bad for the micro climate, it really wacks it out of balance. Organic is any nutrients that is derived from all natural substance...devoid of synthetics or chelated acids.
Tlo is organic but it is living, so in a sense you feed your soil not your plant.
I follow the Revs words like gospel. I love TLO style growing, I recycle my soil. I love the results from tlo.
I think that some organic growers use nutes or additives in their mix not realizing its not totally organic, it also can be the water is not clean also. plus certain bug sprays or mold sprays could compromise your soil if it drips into it.
Hows the higher amount of molasses work in force fading?
The fading of the leaves (yellowing) near end of harvest is that the plant has no nutes left in the soil or roots, so it draws the available N from the large leaves. That's why they yellow.
You want your plant to use all its nutrients it stores in it roots and leave, To ripen up per say. Like fruit on a tree.
What always works for me, is A good plain water flush at the beginning or close to the last 2 weeks of flowering.
I use cool water to emulate fall rains. I also lower my night time temps to emulate fall.
I want all resources of nutrients used up as soon as possible...no more feeding what so ever.
I use tlo, its a living soil... mainly if you continue to feed your soil, it will have nutes available for your plant.
my soil recipe will last my plant to end of harvest.
I'm sure other peeps do it different... I just know what works for me....but always open for new info....lol
I don't use TLO specifically, I personally feel it's a bit gimmicky, though I totally appreciate that it's getting people to do things organically and in a more holistic style. I do, however, use soil food web methods and techniques, my soil and environment is very 'alive' and active.
The way the higher amount of molasses works for forcing a fade (or *any* sugar!) is that it causes an explosion of nitrogen-utilizing bacteria. They temporarily fix N as their population explodes. However, if you do it for too long, then when that population crashes (dies) you're going to be giving the plants too much N as they release it and make it available for uptake again.
I don't feed (outdoor) for the most part, it's just well amended soil. This year I've been experimenting with cover cropping the cannabis, but since I only had amaranth and red clover on hand I didn't quite create a guild (permaculture terminology). I should say that I do occasionally foliar, definitely treat proactively for future caterpillars (but this year I again want to do things a little differently and instead of spraying use insect barrier, should do some double duty for me in preventing weed seeds from getting stuck in my buds, I hate that shit).
In any event, the point is that my plants only really ever get water through the season, and I don't EVER FLUSH, EVER. Especially in organics, the concept is... the opposite of redundant. I'm wondering why, if you're using TLO/soil food web methods, you even need to flush. I haven't found it to be necessary, ever.
I prefer using lower amounts through the grow. If I have a plant that I feel is too green near the end of the run, then I will up the amount in a large way and force yellowing by causing an explosion of microbes.
The Rev says not to use earth juice in tea's as well.. You don't use any bottled stuff on your soil ever, only in tea's, but he says not to use EJ in tea's either.. There is only certain bottled nutes he will use in a tea, fish ferts and some super blooms i believe.. He definitely says not to use the EJ in a tea though, he seems to think the ratio's of the organic acid's are too high.. One thing that really bugs me about the Rev is i have yet to see him get into some detail about the actual ratio's of organic acid's and what's safe and not safe.. From everything i have read he basically says organic acid's are bad, and then sometimes they are great, would be nice to know what the actual level's are.. I still believe his dope must be amazing though and would love to have a few of his stash jars.. After smoking some of the iranian grown TLO im starting to see what the Rev means when he says he won't even smoke stuff that isn't grown naturally.. When you actually see the difference in smoothness it tell's you there is some nastyness going on in your weed when you use synthetics, even the difference between TLO and Earth Juice grown/flushed weed is amazing..
You use tea's as well don't you? I got to experience a real TLO outdoor grow this time, my yields weren't nearly as good as they could be but it was my first time, and i know with organics fine tuning your setup is mainly about yields.. It's easy to grow TLo once you know how, but if you aren't giving them quite enough your yields wll lack for sure, so i kind of expeced my yields to not be too great. I just wanted to experience real organic grown weed, and im glad i did. Have you looked at that Bug Frass? They had a writeup about that stuff in Skunk and it sounded pretty good. They farm the bugs so that way they can feed the bugs a certain diet to produce the best frass possible, pretty cool stuff..
I don't use TLO specifically, I personally feel it's a bit gimmicky, though I totally appreciate that it's getting people to do things organically and in a more holistic style. I do, however, use soil food web methods and techniques, my soil and environment is very 'alive' and active.
The way the higher amount of molasses works for forcing a fade (or *any* sugar!) is that it causes an explosion of nitrogen-utilizing bacteria. They temporarily fix N as their population explodes. However, if you do it for too long, then when that population crashes (dies) you're going to be giving the plants too much N as they release it and make it available for uptake again.
I don't feed (outdoor) for the most part, it's just well amended soil. This year I've been experimenting with cover cropping the cannabis, but since I only had amaranth and red clover on hand I didn't quite create a guild (permaculture terminology). I should say that I do occasionally foliar, definitely treat proactively for future caterpillars (but this year I again want to do things a little differently and instead of spraying use insect barrier, should do some double duty for me in preventing weed seeds from getting stuck in my buds, I hate that shit).
In any event, the point is that my plants only really ever get water through the season, and I don't EVER FLUSH, EVER. Especially in organics, the concept is... the opposite of redundant. I'm wondering why, if you're using TLO/soil food web methods, you even need to flush. I haven't found it to be necessary, ever.
I prefer using lower amounts through the grow. If I have a plant that I feel is too green near the end of the run, then I will up the amount in a large way and force yellowing by causing an explosion of microbes.
Yes, if you force a mass die-off, then you would be releasing a ton of N, and other minerals/nutrients as well. They fix a lot of stuff in their little bodies. There are more than one mechanism for plants to uptake or utilize food/nutrients from microbes. They die, they shit, and they exude (feed each other, so to speak). For example, when plants release sugars through their roots, it's with the express purpose (so far as we/I know at this point) of feeding nearby microbes in exchange for their exudates.This was my first TLO grow this year, and i didn't flush per say, i guess you just don't really give it a tea right before your going to harvest is all.. You shouldn't need to though form what i understand, the stuff i grew this year is the smoothest shit i've ever grown and possibly ever smoked, and the ash burn's to a perfect white ash every time, i just give a little blow on my bowl when im done and the ash flies away, really nice. After all those years of hacking my brains out when i smoked weed im kind of wondering wtf it was i was putting into my body all these years, because i don't hack like that, or even cough when i smoke these tlo buds. 2 of my plants this year had such a shitty yield i decided to switch back to bottle feeding at the last few weeks to see if i could throw some bulk onto them.. One thing i was worried about was the transistion from a pure tlo grow to bottle feeding with say Earth Juice and some other bottled nutes, what i was worried about happening was a mass die off of my microlife in which cse that would release a ton of Nitrogen right? And the last thing i wanted during the final couple weeks was a huge increase in Nitrogen.. That is how the plants get their nutriogen in tlo isnt it, the microlife that die off release the nitrogen to the plants?
I use the teas for sure, and I switch em up so they aren't the same, You can also make up some spikes to put on the outer edge of you root ball, theres diff types of ingredients you can add (dry) just put a hole in the ground and fill it with a good bloom blend of nutes. put about 3-4 spikes per plant. Also there is the bottom of your hole...you can place a layer of super nutes for when the roots reach it they will blow up!!! plus I like to put mulch on top, sprinkle guano in with the mulch for a top feed.
The frass looks like it would be a killer addition.
I think that a little loss on quantity to gain on quality is well worth it. and if you recycle your soil and amend it for next grow it will only get better, plus as you learn your strain you will find what it likes and dislikes....that will increase your yields.