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Thx dog! Do you ph the soil drenched mixture??
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no mate, not in soil. If in soil-less or in coco then yes or it might pick the pH up over 6.5 and beyond.
I find using Bio Balance Foliar is a better option in Hydro. it has less overall organic acids, but it will work at a lower pH value and holds more O2. Bio Balance Media will not get the full power of its package delivered in to the soil if we use it at low pH values, eg below pH 6.2 and so its not the best solution for hydro ranges of pH, where bio balance foliar will work across all pH ranges, from base to acid.

Bio Balance Foliar does most of the things Bio Balance media does, apart from feed K and there are some missing acids that I think are really useful, but these are low polar acids, eg they function at pH 7.0 down to 6.2, hence I always grow something in soil, but if you do want to grow Bio Coco, then I recommend pH 6.2 as the best range, at this level you can use both products safely.
The biggest thing with both is not to use water that contains chlorine mate.

In soil both products act as a natural buffer of pH, this works via the solution stripping out unused IONS which hang around soil particles in substrate with a lack of biological activity. This dont mean you dont have microbes, rather they might not be functioning, temps, moisture, pH, or grower error, etc etc all impact them and various microbes work at different rates and conditions.

So if we use a drench of BBM or BBF, we scavenge the free radical IONS and render them safe, this means they do not hang on to our soils and change the charge in our media, nor do they float around waiting to bind with a phosphate, or a calcium ion or worse, a radioactive ion or some other unwanted metal. It means they dont accumulate, which they do in media devoid of humates and organic acids.
Every time your plant eats some K, it release a OH- for example, anytime it eats a NH4- it will spit out a H+ ion. No or slow life means these gather in the root zone. They are free radicals mate, eg they fuck things up if we get too many. It is this and this alone that causes pH in media to go west buddy. It can not be fixed with extra + or - and so sulfur and lime is a fucking waste of space and for retards who cant understand that soil is electric and so is everything else. if we change the electrical charge of one thing, it has a sequence of chain reactions, most lead to problems for us. BBM and BBF help reduce this naturally occurring risk vector to our media health

This helps our plants by relieving environmental stresses, it helps prevent metal uptake and other pollutants. BBM scavenges IONS so stops electrical interference causing pH fluctuations in the substrate.

Something I do when I meet new soil, bagged or in a yard or field.
Most people dont own or know what to look for if they microscope the land/ media, so we often dont know what state the media is before we plant. because of this BOX has a little system that provides some sort of assurance, it certainly provides the basis of healthy soil.

1. I mix up a drench of BBM, I apply it to the land or media, thoroughly soaking, in pots to run off.
2. After about 48-72hours, I apply via a drench Bio Media Pro. This is free ranging beneficial soil bacteria and molds, they do not need plants to live, they release antibiotic properties in to the soil, restrict the conditions for pathogens, they mineralize NPK Zn Cu Fe and so on, which they hold as fuel in an ION state, this is safe and balanced biological plant food.
3. Next I take my plant, seed of potting, I apply beneficial root fungus eg Root Better.
4. Then i use water only no BBM, no BBF, no food or amendments at all. Why? Well both BBM, BMP, and RB contains enough organic matter, in perfect forms to feed both the bacteria and the fungus, kick starting inoculation.

NB. Dont forget, our soils are rich in all elements, we merely need biology to access them. In the above 3 BOX products, you have a system to access these abundant elements and reduce the damage of randomly applying nutrients where they are not needed. BOX is 100% access nutrients, not some water soluble mythology that prevents you understanding how life and nutrient cycles work. Yes plants eat water soluble ions, but microbes now, they eat organic and make it water soluble all day and all night. there is likely enough NPK in a grain of sand to grow an acre of barley if you use BOX
WS only systems such as synth salts are sold by wickedness. EG the plant cant tell, no it cant, and it cant tell if that EDTA is still on the Fe which it is by the way, and you wont know either, but it will have altered the chemistry of the plant you eat or smoke, did the guy in the store tell you that? Does he know what EDTA does to humans? Can he tell you that? #amateurs :-)

NO BOX products contain EDTA or related chemical chelates. Our chelates are pure biological proteins and our biology is relevant and based on serious research in to natural soil biomes and plant interactions
 
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no mate, not in soil. If in soil-less or in coco then yes or it might pick the pH up over 6.5 and beyond.
I find using Bio Balance Foliar is a better option in Hydro. it has less overall organic acids, but it will work at a lower pH value and holds more O2. Bio Balance Media will not get the full power of its package delivered in to the soil if we use it at low pH values, eg below pH 6.2 and so its not the best solution for hydro ranges of pH, where bio balance foliar will work across all pH ranges, from base to acid.

Bio Balance Foliar does most of the things Bio Balance media does, apart from feed K and there are some missing acids that I think are really useful, but these are low polar acids, eg they function at pH 7.0 down to 6.2, hence I always grow something in soil, but if you do want to grow Bio Coco, then I recommend pH 6.2 as the best range, at this level you can use both products safely.
The biggest thing with both is not to use water that contains chlorine mate.

In soil both products act as a natural buffer of pH, this works via the solution stripping out unused IONS which hang around soil particles in substrate with a lack of biological activity. This dont mean you dont have microbes, rather they might not be functioning, temps, moisture, pH, or grower error, etc etc all impact them and various microbes work at different rates and conditions.

So if we use a drench of BBM or BBF, we scavenge the free radical IONS and render them safe, this means they do not hang on to our soils and change the charge in our media, nor do they float around waiting to bind with a phosphate, or a calcium ion or worse, a radioactive ion or some other unwanted metal. It means they dont accumulate, which they do in media devoid of humates and organic acids.
Every time your plant eats some K, it release a OH- for example, anytime it eats a NH4- it will spit out a H+ ion. No or slow life means these gather in the root zone. They are free radicals mate, eg they fuck things up if we get too many. It is this and this alone that causes pH in media to go west buddy. It can not be fixed with extra + or - and so sulfur and lime is a fucking waste of space and for retards who cant understand that soil is electric and so is everything else. if we change the electrical charge of one thing, it has a sequence of chain reactions, most lead to problems for us. BBM and BBF help reduce this naturally occurring risk vector to our media health

This helps our plants by relieving environmental stresses, it helps prevent metal uptake and other pollutants. BBM scavenges IONS so stops electrical interference causing pH fluctuations in the substrate.

Something I do when I meet new soil, bagged or in a yard or field.
Most people dont own or know what to look for if they microscope the land/ media, so we often dont know what state the media is before we plant. because of this BOX has a little system that provides some sort of assurance, it certainly provides the basis of healthy soil.

1. I mix up a drench of BBM, I apply it to the land or media, thoroughly soaking, in pots to run off.
2. After about 48-72hours, I apply via a drench Bio Media Pro. This is free ranging beneficial soil bacteria and molds, they do not need plants to live, they release antibiotic properties in to the soil, restrict the conditions for pathogens, they mineralize NPK Zn Cu Fe and so on, which they hold as fuel in an ION state, this is safe and balanced biological plant food.
3. Next I take my plant, seed of potting, I apply beneficial root fungus eg Root Better.
4. Then i use water only no BBM, no BBF, no food or amendments at all. Why? Well both BBM, BMP, and RB contains enough organic matter, in perfect forms to feed both the bacteria and the fungus, kick starting inoculation.

NB. Dont forget, our soils are rich in all elements, we merely need biology to access them. In the above 3 BOX products, you have a system to access these abundant elements and reduce the damage of randomly applying nutrients where they are not needed. BOX is 100% access nutrients, not some water soluble mythology that prevents you understanding how life and nutrient cycles work. Yes plants eat water soluble ions, but microbes now, they eat organic and make it water soluble all day and all night. there is likely enough NPK in a grain of sand to grow an acre of barley if you use BOX
WS only systems such as synth salts are sold by wickedness. EG the plant cant tell, no it cant, and it cant tell if that EDTA is still on the Fe which it is by the way, and you wont know either, but it will have altered the chemistry of the plant you eat or smoke, did the guy in the store tell you that? Does he know what EDTA does to humans? Can he tell you that? #amateurs :)

NO BOX products contain EDTA or related chemical chelates. Our chelates are pure biological proteins and our biology is relevant and based on serious research in to natural soil biomes and plant interactions
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Thank you dog gonna study up on ions & EDTA's
 
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Thank you dog gonna study up on ions & EDTA's
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good man, each element has a charge, the plant will regulate by spitting out the opposite form. When we add, we add forms, we must know we have not overloaded the Cation Holding Capacity for example with additional nutrients which fundamentally change how the media interacts, and so how available each element might be for our plants.
As our plants age and change, they require different ions in different combinations, N in take might switch from Nitrate to Ammonia, this will alter what our plants exchange back in to the rhizosphere. NO3- resulting in H+ where NH4+ to OH- .
if we grow in soil, or in coco, we should know our media generally has a light negative charge, lighter for coco than soil, and soil can be different depending on how much clay. higher clay equals higher CEC equals more shit (buffering capacity) before it goes wrong, but when it does its usually terminal in the timeframe of cannabis and this is the big sell for hydro
Biology like soil microbes, scavenge those un used ions, many are powered by hydrogen or other, eg they need it like I need my diner every day, its my fuel, same for them, only diner is a gas or a mineral element like Boron, Copper, Zinc, Moly, Manga etc etc. Micorbes can further excahnge the spent ions from our plants, with each other, with fungus, and so on, all of this activity prevents those ions massing around the plants root structure, and so this resticts the impacts of free radicals towards nutrient uptake, Hydro is low to no CEC, so anything you add either gets used, or is wasted. There arent enough anchor points in the media to retain unused ions and they simply flush away right? Wrong, they dont, not all of them, cations stick, espically those around the base material limestone, or why would people in rockwool get pH issues? Even rockwool will be covered in microbes by the end of the grow and long before. Any microbes brings inhernet CEC capacity, from which we can benefit or not.
we can learn to deal with omnipresent microbes, and admit they are better at feeding our plants, or we can imagine ourselves as gods if it makes us feel better.
 
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good man, each element has a charge, the plant will regulate by spitting out the opposite form. When we add, we add forms, we must know we have not overloaded the Cation Holding Capacity for example with additional nutrients which fundamentally change how the media interacts, and so how available each element might be for our plants.
As our plants age and change, they require different ions in different combinations, N in take might switch from Nitrate to Ammonia, this will alter what our plants exchange back in to the rhizosphere. NO3- resulting in H+ where NH4+ to OH- .
if we grow in soil, or in coco, we should know our media generally has a light negative charge, lighter for coco than soil, and soil can be different depending on how much clay. higher clay equals higher CEC equals more shit (buffering capacity) before it goes wrong, but when it does its usually terminal in the timeframe of cannabis and this is the big sell for hydro
Biology like soil microbes, scavenge those un used ions, many are powered by hydrogen or other, eg they need it like I need my diner every day, its my fuel, same for them, only diner is a gas or a mineral element like Boron, Copper, Zinc, Moly, Manga etc etc. Micorbes can further excahnge the spent ions from our plants, with each other, with fungus, and so on, all of this activity prevents those ions massing around the plants root structure, and so this resticts the impacts of free radicals towards nutrient uptake, Hydro is low to no CEC, so anything you add either gets used, or is wasted. There arent enough anchor points in the media to retain unused ions and they simply flush away right? Wrong, they dont, not all of them, cations stick, espically those around the base material limestone, or why would people in rockwool get pH issues? Even rockwool will be covered in microbes by the end of the grow and long before. Any microbes brings inhernet CEC capacity, from which we can benefit or not.
we can learn to deal with omnipresent microbes, and admit they are better at feeding our plants, or we can imagine ourselves as gods if it makes us feel better.
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I wish i could hang out with you for a couple days lol, pick your brain all day ! Yes sir
 
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I wish i could hang out with you for a couple days lol, pick your brain all day ! Yes sir
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Heck yeah! Road trip! :)
 
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good man, each element has a charge, the plant will regulate by spitting out the opposite form. When we add, we add forms, we must know we have not overloaded the Cation Holding Capacity for example with additional nutrients which fundamentally change how the media interacts, and so how available each element might be for our plants.
As our plants age and change, they require different ions in different combinations, N in take might switch from Nitrate to Ammonia, this will alter what our plants exchange back in to the rhizosphere. NO3- resulting in H+ where NH4+ to OH- .
if we grow in soil, or in coco, we should know our media generally has a light negative charge, lighter for coco than soil, and soil can be different depending on how much clay. higher clay equals higher CEC equals more shit (buffering capacity) before it goes wrong, but when it does its usually terminal in the timeframe of cannabis and this is the big sell for hydro
Biology like soil microbes, scavenge those un used ions, many are powered by hydrogen or other, eg they need it like I need my diner every day, its my fuel, same for them, only diner is a gas or a mineral element like Boron, Copper, Zinc, Moly, Manga etc etc. Micorbes can further excahnge the spent ions from our plants, with each other, with fungus, and so on, all of this activity prevents those ions massing around the plants root structure, and so this resticts the impacts of free radicals towards nutrient uptake, Hydro is low to no CEC, so anything you add either gets used, or is wasted. There arent enough anchor points in the media to retain unused ions and they simply flush away right? Wrong, they dont, not all of them, cations stick, espically those around the base material limestone, or why would people in rockwool get pH issues? Even rockwool will be covered in microbes by the end of the grow and long before. Any microbes brings inhernet CEC capacity, from which we can benefit or not.
we can learn to deal with omnipresent microbes, and admit they are better at feeding our plants, or we can imagine ourselves as gods if it makes us feel better.
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Great information all the way around, thanks all! Ever read Edward O. Wilson?;
E. O. Wilson
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E._O._Wilson

http://eowilsonfoundation.org/

HIGhly recommend both his research and his fiction novels. :eyepiece::eyepiece:
 
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Great information all the way around, thanks all! Ever read Edward O. Wilson?;
E. O. Wilson
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E._O._Wilson

http://eowilsonfoundation.org/

HIGhly recommend both his research and his fiction novels. :eyepiece::eyepiece:
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no sir, but I will now thank you.

One of the things that irritates me about science, which of course i love in the main, is its reluctance to see any divinity in anything it imagines to have explained. Science is both our friend, and our greatest of enemies imo. It enables us to both progress, but it also retards a deep part of what it is to be human. It excuses bad practice, and divides many of us at a fundamental level it seeks to control us.
it has offered me both the greatest of opportunities, and yet it still manages to frustrate me by way of its division from the divine.
I am never going to give up on science, but I will always recount with amazement the utter divinity of perfection I see when I study plant life. I will always fail to see a plant as a consequence of some accident in space and time, no matter how deeply I understand the science of its being.
I would never replace an old forest with palm oil, I would never knowingly treat another being without respect. I think science has allowed this path for too many of us.
At BOX we love science, but we love magic also :-)

Thanks man I will enjoy catching up with Mr Wilson

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I wish i could hang out with you for a couple days lol, pick your brain all day ! Yes sir
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any time buddy, in my world, where we all have a deeper understanding, everything works better for everyone :-)
 
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no sir, but I will now thank you.

One of the things that irritates me about science, which of course i love in the main, is its reluctance to see any divinity in anything it imagines to have explained. Science is both our friend, and our greatest of enemies imo. It enables us to both progress, but it also retards a deep part of what it is to be human. It excuses bad practice, and divides many of us at a fundamental level it seeks to control us.
it has offered me both the greatest of opportunities, and yet it still manages to frustrate me by way of its division from the divine.
I am never going to give up on science, but I will always recount with amazement the utter divinity of perfection I see when I study plant life. I will always fail to see a plant as a consequence of some accident in space and time, no matter how deeply I understand the science of its being.
I would never replace an old forest with palm oil, I would never knowingly treat another being without respect. I think science has allowed this path for too many of us.
At BOX we love science, but we love magic also :)

Thanks man I will enjoy catching up with Mr Wilson

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any time buddy, in my world, where we all have a deeper understanding, everything works better for everyone :)
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Well said! thanks, and your Most welcome. After reading some threads I thought it obvious you'd enjoy Mr. Wilson as much possibly as I have. :)

I love nature/science. We must never stop questioning everything, especially science and our role in nature. Never let it become stale, bogged down by dogma or censorship or forget there's magic out there.

Studying my native ancestors ways and learning about people like E.O. Wilson has done me a huge returns in countless ways.

Just trying to pay it forward some. Cheers!
 
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I am engaged in a campaign to rehabilitate ignorance.

Ignorance is a pure and natural state.

Ignorance is unsettling to the human brain because we make our way in the world by exploiting the known.

Embrace ignorance.

It solves nothing, but immunizes the brain against the negative effects of mysticism.
 
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I am engaged in a campaign to rehabilitate ignorance.

Ignorance is a pure and natural state.

Ignorance is unsettling to the human brain because we make our way in the world by exploiting the known.

Embrace ignorance.

It solves nothing, but immunizes the brain against the negative effects of mysticism.
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Well said! thanks, and your Most welcome. After reading some threads I thought it obvious you'd enjoy Mr. Wilson as much possibly as I have. :)

I love nature/science. We must never stop questioning everything, especially science and our role in nature. Never let it become stale, bogged down by dogma or censorship or forget there's magic out there.

Studying my native ancestors ways and learning about people like E.O. Wilson has done me a huge returns in countless ways.

Just trying to pay it forward some. Cheers!
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awesome and what a lovely sentiment
 
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I am engaged in a campaign to rehabilitate ignorance.

Ignorance is a pure and natural state.

Ignorance is unsettling to the human brain because we make our way in the world by exploiting the known.

Embrace ignorance.

It solves nothing, but immunizes the brain against the negative effects of mysticism.
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by nature of a campaign you are informing, which appears to put you in some dichotomy or paradox, this I like :-)
 
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Trdnsplanted today from #3 to #5 tall pots
Watered in with ro water & humic/fulvic, also use BPN( root magic) no ph
 

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Trdnsplanted today from #3 to #5 tall pots
Watered in with ro water & humic/fulvic, also use BPN( root magic) no ph
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Damn bro... look at you go... great thread here bud!!!!
 
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Damn bro... look at you go... great thread here bud!!!!
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Thx doggy! Thats means alot
 
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Day after transplant applied foliar spray of nanobreath, these plants love nanobreath, 2 of the plants didnt respond well to last weeks overdose of bio-balance, but they will bounce back
 

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Just finished with bug prevention foliar spray
 

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Adding these to garden along with peppermint & rosemary along perimeter of garden , this here is mexican marigold & catnip! I dont a cat problem cuz malo handles them
 

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Ah they just like us having a hard night drinking.. LOL feel groggy for a while and say fuck life but ultimately we bounce back.. :P Now you got the dosage down on bio so no more straight vodka for them.. Only a beer on friday nights.. LOL
 
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