Ozone: Bacteria ?

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Burned Haze

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well I was wondering?


question is does running ozone kill beneficial bacteria in the medium or even the bottles of /bags (mykos/mammoth p ) when your not using it if it was in other rooms of the ozone got strong enough ? i have been using ozone in that separate room and it keeps it smelling great ( just like I like to do with my car, i ozone the car for a aided sterilization )


I googled that question, wanted to to the correct method, and not hurt my bennies by doing so, i’m Sure some people would have some input on this or would like to hear to some too :)
 
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JoseTheDog

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The ozone should not hurt any sort of beneficial bacteria or microorganisms. Keep the bags sealed (as they should be) and in separate rooms and all will be fine. I don't believe they will even be exposed to the ozone if stored properly.
 
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When I ran ozone years ago before I found out about carbon scrubbers it used to change the terpene profile of my plants ever so slightly. I don’t know why but it did. Most of my plants ended up having a very particular scent. Then again I was using it as odor control in a small space so it might have been overkill. I think using it in smaller doses periodically would be fine, just don’t over do it. It won’t hurt your plants but it used to give me asthma attacks when I was exposed to it, so be mindful if you have respiratory issues.
 
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Reviewed by Dr. Yogi Goswami PhD, Co-founder and Chief Scientist

Advertising can be powerful. You may have heard manufacturers describe ozone generators as “natural odor removers” that work “the way nature intended.” But are these claims misleading? Find out more about ozone air purifiers in this article to help you decide what is best for you and your family. Here are facts that the ozone mfgr will not tell you. Also know that generators are not certified or approved by any Federal regulatory body.

What is ozone?

As you may know, ozone is a gas. Ozone molecules have three oxygen atoms (O3), unlike the oxygen in the air that gives life to the planet (O2). Ozone is powerful because the extra oxygen atom can easily escape and attach to other substances. This highly reactive quality can potentially alter the chemical composition of some substances in the air and affect our cells if we breathe it in.

When you hear the term “ozone” you may think of the ozone layer, which protects all life from the dangerous UV radiation of the sun. This is the “good” ozone that is present in the stratosphere. But the ozone at ground level is “bad” since it is hazardous to health and is classified as an air pollutant by the EPA. Ozone at the ground level is created in nature by the interaction of sunlight with certain chemicals that are released to the environment, including vehicle and industrial plant emissions. It is also created when lightning strikes, which is why you may be able to smell ozone after a storm. Ozone, whether pure or mixed with other chemicals, can be harmful to health.

Is ozone bad for you?
Since the early 20th century, health professionals have warned about the dangers of ozone. Just as it reacts with substances outside of the body, it can react with the living tissue within your body. This means that ozone can cause a variety of health problems, like coughing and airway inflammation. It can also reduce lung function and harm lung tissue. Certain groups like children, people with asthma, and older adults are especially vulnerable.

You may have heard of the Clean Air Act. Under this federal law, the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) sets standards for outdoor air quality to protect public health. There are six air pollutants that the agency has set standards for, and ozone is one of them. If ozone is dangerous enough for the EPA to monitor outdoor levels, then it is all the more dangerous for ozone generators to release pure ozone into your home.

For context, the US Food & Drug Administration (FDA) requires that indoor medical devices can only produce a maximum of 50 ppb (parts per billion) of ozone. The National Institute of Occupational Safety and Health (NIOSH) recommends that indoor ozone levels should not be greater than 100 ppb.

What are ozone generators?
Ozone generators, also referred to as ozone machines, are ozone-generating devices that intentionally produce ozone gas. When sold as air purifiers to be used in indoor occupied spaces, they are marketed to be safe and effective (though these claims are generally false). This article discusses devices that produce ozone on purpose and not as a byproduct. Ionizers and electrostatic precipitators end up producing ozone as a byproduct as a result of their internal mechanisms.

You may have heard about ionizers. They used to be quite popular and were often used in homes to clean the air and eliminate odors. However, in the spring of 2005, Consumer Reports Magazine exposed the units as potentially doing more harm than good–it was found that several of these devices could produce harmful levels of ozone. Though ozone is a byproduct of these ionizers, and tends to be produced at a lower level than ozone generators, the federal government began a stricter regulation process for any air purifier that produces ozone, whether intentionally or as a byproduct.

No federal agency has approved the use of ozone generators in occupied spaces, and the California Air Resources Board (CARB) has very strict regulation for air purifiers sold in California to make sure that harmful ozone levels are not being produced.

How do ozone generators work?

Ozone generators produce ozone by breaking apart oxygen (O2) molecules into single atoms, which then attach to other oxygen molecules in the air to form ozone (O3). They accomplish this in one of two ways, according to the International Association of Certified Indoor Air Consultants (InterNACHI).

Ozone generators work by:

  • Silent corona discharge: These machines use electric discharge to produce ozone by splitting the normal oxygen molecules in the air into single atoms. These atoms then attach to other O2 molecules in the air to form ozone (O3).
  • Ultraviolet radiation: This process of ozone generation is similar to how the sun’s ultraviolet radiation splits O2 to form individual oxygen atoms. According to InterNACHI, this process is considered to be less efficient than corona discharge.
Why are ozone generators used to purify the air?
If ozone is so dangerous, then why would anyone use it to purify the air inside a home? As discussed above, ozone is highly reactive and can change the chemical composition of some substances in the air. This principle forms the basis of manufacturers’ claims.

Companies who sell ozone generators may suggest that ozone is a healthy kind of oxygen, using terms like “activated oxygen” or “pure air,” though ozone is actually a toxic gas that is not the “same as air” like manufacturers may claim. Ozone-generating devices are often marketed as odor removers. Ultimately, they are used to remove organic compounds from the air. However, given its danger to health, it would be wise to use an ozone generator only if there are clear benefits.

How effective are ozone generators?
Manufacturers’ claims

Manufacturers say that the highly reactive nature of ozone allows it to easily attach to pollution, especially odorous compounds like smoke and organic matter such as viruses, bacteria and mold spores. However, these claims are not backed up by sound science.

Performance against mold and bacteria

Research has found that ozone generators were not effective at stopping mold or bacteria growth in a standard hospital room, and would require unsafe levels of ozone to do the job at all (Dyas, Boughton, & Das, 1983). For mold growth, public health departments do not recommend using ozone generators for clean-up, saying that ozone even at high levels cannot control mold.

Performance against VOCs

You may be asking yourself, if ozone gas is effective at anything, it should work on other gaseous pollutants (specifically volatile organic compounds, or VOCs) right? Well, it might not, unless you wait for thousands of years in some cases. A research study (Boeniger, 1995) analyzed how long it would take to remove 14 of the most common organic compounds found in the air. It was found that at ozone concentrations of 100 ppb, it would take 880+ years for six of these pollutants to be broken down into half of their initial concentrations (half-lives). In fact, it would take more than 4,400 years for formaldehyde! Only one pollutant, styrene, was found to have a half-life of about 4 hours.

Performance against particulates

You must remember that ozone generators do not remove particulate matter like dust or pollen (which are often allergens) from the air.

The EPA’s conclusion about effectiveness

The EPA concludes from a review of scientific research that at concentrations that meet public health standards, ozone is not very effective at removing indoor air contaminants.

Can ozone generators remove odors?

The million dollar question for you might be whether ozone generators can remove odors from the air. That at least is what manufacturers claim to be the most common use for ozone generators in homes.

However, the evidence is mixed as to whether ozone generators can remove most odors from the air. As mentioned above, ozone generators may not work efficiently at all for gases, namely volatile organic compounds (VOCs), as it could take hundreds of years for this process.

Yet, some research reviewed by Britigan, Alshawa, and Nizkorodov (2006) has shown that ozone may be effective for certain types of VOCs (namely, those containing unsaturated carbon-carbon bonds). These types of VOCs are found in cooking oils, air fresheners, cleaning agents, etc. However, there is a big downside: other dangerous byproducts like formaldehyde can be released into the air when ozone reacts with these substances.

Here is another important point: What you might perceive as odor removal may just be facade. Odors in a room could be masked by the smell of ozone being released into the air. Many people who use ozone generators like the smell that is produced, describing it as a “clean sheet smell” or the smell of clothes fresh from the dryer (EPA, 1995).

What are the safety precautions of ozone generators?
Ultimately, you need to know that no agency of the federal government has approved using ozone generators in occupied spaces. If you must use one or have no choice in a certain situation, you should take every measure possible to make sure they are never used when people or animals are present in the room. Plants also should be kept outside of the area.

Many times, if ozone generators are used, they are used for commercial cleaning in hotels, cars, etc. Many hotels use them inside a room just before new guests arrive, which can be harmful because of any residual ozone that lingers in the air. Manufacturers of ozone generators recommend they only be used by trained professionals for odor removal, and that all other steps, like cleaning the area and removing any sources of the odor, should be done first.

What are some better solutions?
There are other solutions that are much safer and more effective than using an ozone generator. The initial recommended steps are also the lowest-cost solutions to improving air quality. First of all, you should always try to remove the sources of odors or pollutants as much as possible. Second, you should try ventilating the area to allow for better air circulation in your home, if possible. You may want to disregard this step if you live near a source of high-level outdoor pollution or outdoor air quality is poor.

Afterward, using an air purifier that is not an ozone generator could be a good option to try. There are different types of air purifiers out there, from mechanical filters (like HEPA) that only remove particles from the air, or gas-phase filters like carbon filters that are only designed to remove VOCs. If you would like a full-spectrum solution for cleaning the air, you might consider the Molekule technology, which is highly effective against mold, VOCs, allergens like pollen, bacteria, and viruses. It also completely destroys VOCs and biological contaminants, unlike the traditional air purifiers like HEPA that simply trap particles.

Additionally, if you are especially concerned about odors, there are other, much safer ways to make your room smell fresh.

Conclusion
The negative aspects of ozone generators definitely outweigh any potential positive benefits, and it is best if you consider safer and more effective solutions for improving your indoor air quality. Manufacturers of ozone generators often make false claims about their devices and say they are effective at odor removal. Overall, these devices are strictly regulated by federal law and the EPA and other federal agencies like the Air Resources Board (ARB) warn about their health dangers.

In general, there is no scientific evidence that ozone generators are effective, unless they produce extremely high levels of ozone. Ultimately, there are much more efficient, safer solutions to air quality problems. You can provide a safe space with clean, fresh air for you and your family through other methods including source control, ventilation, and using other air purifier options.
 
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Jorge Cervantes Encyclopedia has a page or two on this subject, just saw it last night. Didn’t pay much attention to it.

Maybe google him and the topic.
 
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1. Jorge Cervantes Is a sell out and read his books or videos , his a idiot and full of shit and had take most people’s advice cause he has nothing . I would rather take thcf than him ( not to sound to rude lol)

2.Quite arguing effectiveness with me. I am not trying to hide smells from a grow , if you understood that even schools or hospitals use them for a quick clean up in the air ( it’s 200x stronger than bleach )

Everything (including a ozone ) if your doing the proper steps . There really isn’t much “worry” , besides when I thought this killing benefical bacterial (I will call ozone company once they are back open on the 10th to get a confirm )


I have no flowering plants in this area I’m talking about . Just veg room and mother plants (and I am mainly trying to
Clean the air on other rooms when I’m not home to make it smell nice ) . I just want to protect my bennies and storage of them ( that would be horrible if I killed them
All by doing that all this )
 
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JoseTheDog

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Then if you know so much why do you even ask if you’re so knowledgeable? Sorry for commenting on a public post.

Spelling and proper grammar will be necessary when you write your book correcting Cervantes many “idiot” books and over10 years worth of columns and articles.

Why do you have to criticize someone for asking a question? Many other people such as myself have benefited from the replies on this thread. Why even bother commenting if you are not providing any sort of constructive information? Additionally, who cares about the spelling? I understood what he said and that's what matters here.
 
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I have been here since 2009 and why should people bitch me out just because I misppelled/ something or put a word wrongly. and it was just because I was on a phone. yes I might not have the best English, but as least I try and not be a dough to others
 
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1. Jorge Cervantes Is a sell out and read his books or videos , his a idiot and full of shit and had take most people’s advice cause he has nothing . I would rather take thcf than him ( not to sound to rude lol)

2.Quite arguing effectiveness with me. I am not trying to hide smells from a grow , if you understood that even schools or hospitals use them for a quick clean up in the air ( it’s 200x stronger than bleach )

Everything (including a ozone ) if your doing the proper steps . There really isn’t much “worry” , besides when I thought this killing benefical bacterial (I will call ozone company once they are back open on the 10th to get a confirm )


I have no flowering plants in this area I’m talking about . Just veg room and mother plants (and I am mainly trying to
Clean the air on other rooms when I’m not home to make it smell nice ) . I just want to protect my bennies and storage of them ( that would be horrible if I killed them
All by doing that all this )
If your bennies are sealed they are safe ozone cant penetrate non porous surfaces.
 
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Well uvonair answered my questions and stated beneficals in bottles /bags and if your growing plants with bennies in a different room will not be effected by ozone .

I even use a carbon filter with online fan and push the ozone back up in the room with a timer (since ozone drops and is heavier than air )
 

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