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Yeah, I need to make an effort to get some cuttings out there. I t would be comforting to know that someone else had it growing, in case I have a disaster.@ziplock
no...no problem......just the basic bare minumum for vegging once the clone establishes itself.....
Def would love for you to bring back that girl to full vigor so you can have many more harvests with her....and maybe pass her along to others as well....good luck and happy growing
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this topic has been studied extensively.....by many top notch growers in this industry .....all of them have come to one conclusion....there is NO SUCH THING AS GENETIC DRIFT.....PERIOD......
when taking cuttings you should always take from the top where the largest concentration of growth hormones are...and always take from the same average hight off the mother......if you were to take 2 clones...one from the inner bottom and the other from the top.....the top cutting would be extremely more vigorous in growth...root much faster and be much hardier.....think of it this way.....and this is a very rough comparison......say the plant is you...and you are 40 years old.....and each 4-6 node cutting is an exact replica of you....if you were to take a cutting from the top it would be 40 just like you....if you were to take a cutting from the bottom it is exactly like you except it is you at age 15......exactly you...just much younger...HORMONALLY.....where we start to see expression and vigor drift is when the plant is infected with a systemic virus... the mother may look normal but you take a piece of her and transition her into a differ light pattern and she will show what is wrong with her.....which a lot of times would be called dudding......you can grow your plant out of dudding by using the ingredients stated in previous posts above....once your cleaned clone starts to show it has grown out of the infection...you can then start to clone again and she become the new mom...."genetic drift" can only occur if you are actually genetically manipulating its DNA profile..which would take scientific labs with DNA stranding etc....vigor and growth have nothing to do with DNA/genetics per say when it comes to loosing vigor or the change in characteristics in growth pattern......it is simply showing you there is something wrong...with it...or the environment ......this is all simple science....laws of life....if you started to gain calcium deposit in your joints you wouldn't say your genes changed.....you would say you have developed arthritis ......the shitty expressions and loss of vigor are all built into the genes....it is simply an expression of what is happening to the plant...if there was a such thing as genetic drift...we would be able to manipulate it in a positive manner to create whole new strains without having to cross one with the other...simply because cannabis is so diluted with thousands of years of genetic pooling and cross breeding that we would be able to virtually recess one trait and bring out another just through growth manipulation... which is not the same as phenotypic expression....
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shemshemets's logic is flawed....yes you are better off taking from one mother....but.....there is no such thing as genetic mutation....in this senerio.....genetic drift or mutation happens when parent passes alleles recessive know as hitch hiker alleles that can present themselves at any time for any reason....it is not a mutation or genetically veering from .....he is right it isnt good practice to keep cloning over and over from the next host only high radiation and a few other highly improbable things can mutate dna/genetics
I would start a new clone....and let her grow for a while....
My experience with plants that are going back into veg from flowering is that the whole thing, to get back to normal, takes about 6 weeks, so I give them at least that much time. :)yes Sea...I would like to add to that....when taking clones....once rooted.....let it veg for at least 2 weeks under 18/6....if it is still doing it then let it go another 2...if is still doing this then look to virus IMO
NOW we're getting into phenotypic expression, and the more science is learning about epigenetics the more we're learning how and why certain genes can be turned off and on, as well as what may mitigate or enhance expression of certain traits.The reason we call them cones is because it is the exact same DNA from the plant. Not kinda close to it, it is the same exact thing as when you took said cutting.if what you said were true we should call all cuts similar but different copies not clones. And that's what they are exact copies. Everything else is grower/environment issues.
If they're still growing triple-lobed leaves, I personally wouldn't do it, I'd wait for normal growth. Hormones can really fuck your shit up! (So says the post-menopausal woman who knows.)I always veg for 6-8 weeks at 18/6 before flipping. Any problem there?
Mm... I'm pretty sure mutagenisis by chemical means is used fairly often.Radiation / chemical exposure can speed things up forsure. Rarely plant breeders will use that technique (dangerous crapshoot if you ask me).
Now THAT's the voice of experience talking. In my case, I've had enough frustration trying to nurse cuts from blooming plants. I do it only in a "no other option" situation, ex: Blue Orca (the One) from a friend's grow: week 5 of bloom, bottom branches, 1/2 hr from home, I got one to live. It was worth it, tho. Stickiest plant I ever grew. Just harvested some seriously glittery stuff, so will have to wait for cure for overall quality to be seen. And, yes, I've got a vigorous cutting in waiting for the "big" (4x5) room.f they're still growing triple-lobed leaves, I personally wouldn't do it, I'd wait for normal growth. Hormones can really fuck your shit up! (So says the post-menopausal woman who knows.)
Please, a little clarification: when you said 10% bleach solution, did you mean 1 part household bleach to 10 parts water, or a 10% solution of sodium hypochlorite? I suspect the former. I'll have some clonable stock shortly to try this on.I would let it grow out and take a cut from the top......make sure it looks as healthy as possible......soak it in 10% bleach solution for 15 minutes.....then rinse well in clean fresh water.....root......isolate that clone once rooted and grow ....if it was a virus then this cutting should pull through...if not and it is still running a reduction in vigor....I would look to enviroment for solutions
Thx!1 part household to 9 parts water
I do most of that, but haven't been that strict about sterility. Time for a change in technique.http://www.jfcl.com/Writings/Success_With_Cuttings.htm
here read through this first....gives you a better idea of what I was talking about
I always rinse my cutting before and after sterlie solution....I rinse after with RO water or the equivalent
Say it loud!..there is NO SUCH THING AS GENETIC DRIFT.....PERIOD......
I GOTTA CLEAN MY SHIT UP! That make you happy?Say it loud!
Metabolic instability, or a myriad of pathogens doing their best to make a living off your plant.
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