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Someone else mentioned environmental stress...I almost killed my girls letting them get too cold...leaf edges curled up just like in your pics...
Thank you for sharing! I have these girls in the same bedroom where I'm sleeping and the temps never go below 63. I understand phosphorus is impeded by cold temps. Perhaps the leaf curling is related to a phosphorus issue too.Someone else mentioned environmental stress...I almost killed my girls letting them get too cold...leaf edges curled up just like in your pics...
Non-glandular unicellular trichomes are what forms on the underside of the leaf. They will not form heads that big. The only thing you should be seeing on the underside of your leaves are those tiny hair like structures that make up that type trichome, anything else is problems.
I've seen very few of the actual critter. Broads are really fast, and cyclamens will hide in the yellowish deformed new growth that comes off as a nitrate deficiency and looks also like a mag issue. You may want to find a site that's just starting to open, and crack it and see what you find. Cyclamens tend to stick to new growth, where as Broads tend to infect most of the plant.Alright, I'll keep this in mind. I'm sure I seem far too hopeful to be avoiding mites, but why can't I identify any of them? Have you seen these mites near their eggs on the underside of the leaf?
I've seen very few of the actual critter. Broads are really fast, and cyclamens will hide in the yellowish deformed new growth that comes off as a nitrate deficiency and looks also like a mag issue. You may want to find a site that's just starting to open, and crack it and see what you find. Cyclamens tend to stick to new growth, where as Broads tend to infect most of the plant.
Broad mites? Mystery eggs and NO crawlers!
A year ago I had russet mites and didn't know until my plants were duding 3 wks into flower. I cleaned the entire house and started again. I had an excellent second grow, but 10 days before harvest my house was ravaged by burglars...the plants that were in veg were flowered and yielded...www.icmag.com
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Those trichomes are glandular, glandular trichomes typically serve the purpose of sunscreen to a plant. Those are common to the top side of a leaf and not bottom. Good luck.Thanks for the reference Beachwalker. I still feel confused though. On page 3 of that post "Scrappy-doo" makes the same conclusion I am making:
"Have you even positively identified any sort of mite? If you're just going off the pics of those 'eggs', those aren't eggs. They're either glands or stomata I'm pretty sure.
What I do know is that leaves have those and they're normal. At one point I was having all sorts of problems and thought maybe I had broad mites, so I took a high powered scope and saw those. They're on every leaf and spaced out equally.
I never had any broad, cyclomen, or other microscopic mites and those problems all went away. The problem was something else completely. Don't go trying to destroy those your plant needs them."
I want to go with Scrappy-doo on this one. I feel like i've had similar experiences, where i've seen these sessile trichromes before all over.
I see how my words can be misinterpretted, i'll edit my original post for clarity. I meant the MAC clone is struggling, not the the clone shop. The clone shop is ran by SUBdlc and its called 313 clones..they have built a reputation in California and now in Detroit. Haven't found any complaints yet about mite infestations.
You are sure about eggs then? Did it look like this for you when you dealt with your infestation? I am still dubious, because I cannot find a single mite!
So I don't see any bite marks (little white dots) on the top of the leaves; You see no mites
I don't see any of those little round balls touching in groups like you'd expect, they look spread out in a pattern like they belong to the plant. On the other hand they sure do look like eggs, so Idk?
I've already vacillated enough LOL this is a learning thread for me so I'll watch and learn, I hope it works out for the best for you good luck!
Edit: yes that's why I posted it because like Scrappy-Doo in that thread they also had varied opinion and I found that interesting
I dont know about the egg thing. leaves do have resin glands on them that under 120x might look like that. I've never used magnification that high.
And I'm not sure about broad mites either. Damage from those usually looks like similar to mg def but more stippled, and severe canoeing at the base of the leaves. I'm not really seeing either of those signs.
Your not going to find glandular trichomes on the bottom side of any leaf, no matter what the plant is. It serves no function there. Non glandular trichomes will be everywhere. You are specifically dealing with the cyclamen mite.
I really am just trying to help, I'm in the Michigan area and these fucking things are everywhere. I'm constantly helping my crew clean these things up.Oops, just realized I've been using the word "trichrome" this whole time haha. I'm gonna have to do more digging into sessile trichomes and how to identify cyclamen mites. At the very least now, I have new things to consider. If I do identify them as cyclamen mite eggs, would the treatment be neem, high heat environment, and predatory insects?
Thanks
I really am just trying to help, I'm in the Michigan area and these fucking things are everywhere. I'm constantly helping my crew clean these things up.
I understand I'm kinda the new guy around here and trying my best not to shit on anyone's lawn. I have my own journal were I explain myself a bit. I work with a lot of plants outside of cannabis and have most of my life. These things are real common in ornamental plant greenhouses all over the country. I've worked in some of these greenhouses.