RNC vs. DNC -- Will Medical Marijuana Decide the Election?

[caveman4.20]

I been a member of the farm for bairly over a month and if I continue on this site after today i will be on forever regardless of which Phonitician gets elected, no more hiding period or running.... where you gonna run??? This site may be the very experience to get me to vote and if it dont matter to me it still matters to the collective purpose...

Listen Genesis 1:29 God Says "I give you every seed bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it, they will be yours for food"

No Law or Politician or Judge will change that.

Thats why there is no evil in are doing and no one should feel that way no matter the detail the detail is in the verse

it wont keep me from going to jail but i sleep well every night

 

[azmmjadvocates]

Also worth mentioning is that the MAIN issue you have with Obama doesn't exist as you've described it. The ARRA actually spent a huge amount of money on veterans, and improving care.

Obama HAS proposed a few cuts in his deficit reduction plan--but they don't take the form you're describing.

First an excerpt describing the ARRA effect on veterans care:

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VA Announces Recovery Spending
April 2, 2009
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WASHINGTON – The Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) will spend more than $1.4 billion as part of President Obama’s economic recovery plan to improve services toAmerica’s Veterans. VA’s Internet site – www.va.gov/recovery – provides current information about VA’s work to deliver its portion of Recovery Act funds into the economy to benefit Veterans.
The American Recovery and Reinvestment Act (ARRA) enables the VA to improve medical facilities and national cemeteries, provide grants to assist states in acquiring or constructing state nursing homes and extended care facilities, and to modify or alter existing facilities to care for Veterans.
VA will dedicate ARRA funds to hire and train 1,500 temporary claims processors to speed benefits delivery to Veterans and pursue needed information technology initiatives for improved benefits and services. Funds will also be used to oversee and audit programs, grants, and projects funded under ARRA.
As part of the President’s Recovery plan, VA will also make one-time payments of $250 to eligible Veterans and survivors to mitigate the effects of the current economy. These payments will be issued as early as June 2009. VA estimates $700 million in payments will be made to eligible beneficiaries as part of this measure.
To be eligible for the $250 payment, VA beneficiaries must have received compensation, pension, dependency and indemnity compensation (DIC), or spina bifida benefits at any time between November 2008 and January 2009. Also, beneficiaries must reside within the United States or Puerto Rico, Guam, Northern Mariana Islands,American Samoa, or the U.S. Virgin Islands. No application is necessary. VA will use its existing payment records to determine eligibility for the $250 payment.
Beneficiaries will receive their payments the same way they receive their monthly VA benefits (either by direct deposit or mail). VA will inform beneficiaries and the public when releasing the payments. This payment is not countable in determining eligibility for VA pension or Parents’ DIC. The law allows one $250 payment per individual. The payment is tax-free. VA beneficiaries who also receive benefits from the Social Security Administration or Railroad Retirement Board will be paid through those agencies, and will therefore not receive the payment from VA.

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Second an excerpt (from a fact-checking website) describing the ACTUAL cuts Obama has suggested (which have not passed):

Santorum vs. Obama: Cutting Veterans’ Benefits​

Santorum criticized Obama for proposing cuts in military veterans’ benefits.

Santorum: We have the president of the United States who said he is going to cut veterans benefits, cut our military, at a time when these folks are four, five, six, seven tours, coming back, in and out of jobs, sacrificing everything for this country.​

Much has been written about the president’s plans to reduce the size and cost of the U.S. military, but what about veterans’ benefits? The president’s deficit reduction plan does indeed propose some changes in military health and retirement programs. The plan would:

• Impose a $200 annual fee on TRICARE for Life recipients. TRICARE for Life is a supplemental health insurance program for veterans 65 and over. It covers certain out-of-pocket expenses not covered by Medicare. Currently, TRICARE for Life does not charge fees or premiums. The administration estimates the proposal would save about $6.7 billion over 10 years.
• Increase prescription drug benefit co-pays. The administration estimates this proposal would save $20.6 billion over 10 years.
• Create a commission to study military retirement benefits. The deficit-reduction plan says the current benefits are “generous” and “out of line with most other Government or private retirement plans.”

The proposal was submitted in September, and has not become law.

As a former co host of a veteran specific radio program I can say Republicans have cut into veterans issues as well, the VA hospitals were not shining stars under George Bush. Another point is this word socialism thrown around all the time. By definition isn't the military totally socialist? When I was disabled I couldn't afford cobra and lost my medical due to not being able to afford the insurance, people working don't think that catastrophe may strike, the VA is minimal care, that's all i hope for, a little medical socialism for every American. When Regan made it law that every "PERSON' is to be treated in ER regardless of ability to pay, it's to bad he didn't have the foresight to actually create a minimal medical program for American citizens.

 

[azmmjadvocates]

Caveman Wrote; "No Law or Politician or Judge will change that." Yeah true but the weed in prison i hear tastes like shit. The collective millions of vote for none of the above COULD guarantee we keep this fight moving forward over the next 4 years. If you could help us get a schedule change at the federal level, we would sure appreciate it. ; )

 

[caveman4.20]

As a former co host of a veteran specific radio program I can say Republicans have cut into veterans issues as well, the VA hospitals were not shining stars under George Bush. Another point is this word socialism thrown around all the time. By definition isn't the military totally socialist? When I was disabled I couldn't afford cobra and lost my medical due to not being able to afford the insurance, people working don't think that catastrophe may strike, the VA is minimal care, that's all i hope for, a little medical socialism for every American. When Regan made it law that every "PERSON' is to be treated in ER regardless of ability to pay, it's to bad he didn't have the foresight to actually create a minimal medical program for American citizens.

As a former co host of a veteran specific radio program I can say Republicans have cut into veterans issues as well, the VA hospitals were not shining stars under George Bush. Another point is this word socialism thrown around all the time. By definition isn't the military totally socialist? When I was disabled I couldn't afford cobra and lost my medical due to not being able to afford the insurance, people working don't think that catastrophe may strike, the VA is minimal care, that's all i hope for, a little medical socialism for every American. When Regan made it law that every "PERSON' is to be treated in ER regardless of ability to pay, it's to bad he didn't have the foresight to actually create a minimal medical program for American citizens.

As the person who served 12 years in the Navy, the ARRA as you have quoted or posted is not everything that has been going on, I am 100% disabled and the VA hospital should cover a 100% since I spent a 100% of my time defending this country so jackasses like yourself can be on this site, I was in a wheelchair for 3 years, where was my government, I was on hard narcotics and where was my government, it cost me 500.00 a month for medications out of pocket and I can bet your probably sucking benefits from our government and sitting on the couch. Marie

 

[squiggly]

The collective millions of vote for none of the above COULD guarantee we keep this fight moving forward over the next 4 years.

No, they couldn't.

They could guarantee that either Obama or Romney will win and a shitassload of votes will be wasted.

The only way this would make a difference is if EVERY SINGLE american abstained from the vote. Every last one.

 

[azmmjadvocates]

Caveman wrote; "i hope the good guys are really making a change for the better, not just for weed, behind the curtains instead of having a beer or coffee" The good guys are people like you and me holding them accountable, raising our collective voices, we are a power to recon with. We can force a multi national coroporation to bow down to us, the same with our public officials if, as squiggly states, we collectively hold their feet to the fire and dround out the voices of their minions.

I can't tell you how many times a antil MMJ news commentary is silenced by myself or those the likes of squiggly who know their shit, because we speak from the truth, the link below is an example. Pretty soon they don't dare post any of their Brain washed BS and thats how we let them know they are losing the war. Those ignorant Bass Turds just loved to hear Romney say that, so we will be scared to speak, be put back into our place.

We need to do the same to Romney, make him pull his fingers out of his ears and force him to see the facts. The way to do that is to Blog after the election telling them why he lost. We are the ones fighting behind the scenes and the sward to kill the dragon is our vote, i wish i could take yours and use it if you decide to throw it away. My comments on the article below are AZ mmj advocates and Educate yourself, perhaps you would like to comment. I'm voting out Bill Montgomery for whoever is running against him. If you read both pages of comments you will see how the anti MMJ minions speak their mind as they should, but then the education starts and it's crickets.

 

[squiggly]

I'm not going to say anything about being a disabled veteran other than:

That sucks ass. I'm sorry.

What else can be said?


What I WILL say, is that from my experience a great many folks who come home apply for disability. Its essentially a ubiquitous practice (at least in the servicemen from my state whom I've met).

I knew perhaps 15-20 servicemen here at college. I roomed with 4 of them last year. All 4 on disability--and only one of them had a disability that was actually life-altering (hearing loss). The rest of them essentially applied for and received it but didn't need it whatsoever. This is right from the horse's mouth, so don't shoot the messenger. So far as I know, of those 20 that I know--at least 19 are on disability.

Not a single one of them needs an aid to walk, is on medication , or anything of that sort.

The ones I lived with were pretty candid about duping the disability system to be honest.

I think so long as nearly every serviceman is getting 50-60% disability, medical services for veterans will be insolvent economically.

I'll be the very last person to talk shit about our servicemen, and I don't know NEARLY enough of them to say what the general trend is. However, if my limited experience here in Illinois carries over to other servicemen--its no wonder the government can't pay for it.

All that said--that's pretty damn shitty about you having to pay out-of-pocket.

Sad to say, I don't think your best bet on this one is republicans.

Republicans are pro-military, but generally that means they are pro-equipment, pro-training, and pro-weapon. Rarely, if ever, has it meant that they were pro-SOLDIER.

I think democrats probably come the closest in this respect, but if you're dealing with that kind of a situation--there's no question they're falling short.

Either way, not voting is the DEAD LAST way to change this.

 

[azmmjadvocates]

Caveman it's great that your here, it shows you are thinking and care. I'll be here if Romney gets voted in as well, but for me to do that and continue to advocate means i'll be doing it without possession or cultivating.. I can't take the risk with a bulls eye on my head, sad thing is i'll be back on the death pills and in misery, but I will protest.... Well second thought, nobody is going to prison over a joint, so i'll have a joint lol.

 

[caveman4.20]

This is Marie,
I'm sure there are service members that try to take advantage of the benefits given and like wise for civilians and yes, this is the reason people with true disabilities are denied or taken from. I can say one thing, everyone will reap what they sew and when all is said and done my husband and I are both self employed with master degrees and work very hard to earn a decent living and the last thing we need is a hand out even though I fought and paid a great price. I don't feel bad to say, if you listen to what this government states you have already lost the battle. 99% of americans are paying taxes and not given the credits they are entitled to and this is who I fight for now, my company has been around for 6 years successfully and I have helped out hundreds if not thousands of taxpayers get what belongs to them without all this election nonsense, they all lie to get into office.
Vote Independent if you to take down the business that runs our government

 

[mal]

Obama said he wouldn't spend any resources hassling dispensaries, in 3 1/2 years he has busted more dispensaries than Bush did in 8 years. I still can't figure how the president learned to talk out of his ass but he's great at it and some people love it. I hope all is well with you and yours

mal

 

[squiggly]

This is Marie,
I'm sure there are service members that try to take advantage of the benefits given and like wise for civilians and yes, this is the reason people with true disabilities are denied or taken from. I can say one thing, everyone will reap what they sew and when all is said and done my husband and I are both self employed with master degrees and work very hard to earn a decent living and the last thing we need is a hand out even though I fought and paid a great price. I don't feel bad to say, if you listen to what this government states you have already lost the battle. 99% of americans are paying taxes and not given the credits they are entitled to and this is who I fight for now, my company has been around for 6 years successfully and I have helped out hundreds if not thousands of taxpayers get what belongs to them without all this election nonsense, they all lie to get into office.
Vote Independent if you to take down the business that runs our government

I agree with honestly 99% of what you've said here.

I only differ with you in believing that voting independent can make a difference. I think democrat is the way to go. If we can keep a democratic congress and president in there long enough to deal with some of the biggest issues without all the pissing matches--I think that we'll find them amenable to out demands and requests.

As it stands right now our country is totally insolvent, and we must do something to fix that. It IS the time to take a stand, but we must take the RIGHT stand--one that makes a DIFFERENCE. Not one that is merely symbolic.

Symbolism isn't going to get us out of this, and to my mind--neither are the republicans.

I can't be sure democrats will, but I believe its the best chance we've got. Democrats give a shit about people, republicans give a shit about God and corporations. Big difference.

 

[azmmjadvocates]

Hi Marie, and Caveman I forgot to thank you for you service. The other day my best friend flew into town he's been TDY in Iraq again but he's retiring soon. He gives me shit a lot as a bit of a neocon that he is lol, we were having a couple drinks with his buddies at the base and the topic of his commander retiring with disability and all the money he was going to be getting, I asked why his commander was still working with his disability. He said it was sleep apnia, I about choked from laughter, i said i had sleep apnia too but my cage in my back, tumor and all my surgeries is what keeps me from getting a good night sleep. lol.

I find it extremely ironic that such conservative friends can down others who's shoes they don't walk in but they are in line to "get theirs".

 

[azmmjadvocates]

Mal please cite the cases you speak of where those dispensaries were within state law, it wasn't until things got out of hand with one on every street corner that the feds said it's getting out of hand. Also the president is a busy guy, there are rouge cops and feds that don't respect his administrations memos right?

 

[caveman4.20]

Obama said he wouldn't spend any resources hassling dispensaries, in 3 1/2 years he has busted more dispensaries than Bush did in 8 years. I still can't figure how the president learned to talk out of his ass but he's great at it and some people love it. I hope all is well with you and yours

mal

Thnx
Squiggly,
I have always believed in the Democratic party because the middle and lower class people were being represented, this is the first time I have ever seen a democrat take from the people that need it most, "seniors, students, military", he states he is for senior health care, educating our children, no more wars bullshit!!! He has increased tuition for all colleges, taken away grants and full funding for colleges, elderly pay higher copay for RX's and they are fighting a senseless wars in the middle east and making veterans take a 2 year cut on benefits this is crazy. So I understand dispensary owners would like to get someone in there that will help legalize marijuana a 100% but this election is not just about marijuana its about our future and I just can't stomach either one running so how can I just say I want one or the other when neither represent anything I believe in?
Marie
Vote Ron Paul

 

[caveman4.20]

Ron Paul is also MMJ

 

[azmmjadvocates]

I thought ron paul was done, id vote for him but it wont be counted, so I won't waste a vote, i think a few Ron Paul supporters will secretly vote obama i hope.. He is out of time to run as a 3rd party I thought? Please provide where he has waivers in the states that required him to get on their state as an independent. Before Romney's statement i considered writing Ron Paul on my ballot in protest, but now cant afford to see Romney win.. If you don't care enough about that IMHO you aren't in enough pain, and pain pills epidurals ect work fine for you. Romney wins, you think $20.00 a gram is expensive for MMJ just wait. I bet seed companies are getting a run right now as well as hydro stores, ect. I bet the price will be like the price at the pump right now going up every day on CL lol..

Ron Paul, though Id vote for him if he ran independent in every state has 100% no chance of winning because of state requirements. I'm independent so I think it's same BS different pile as far as Republican/ dems go. With what you said above, doesn't that show that he HAS done something to try and reduce government spending, to play the middle ground and reach to the right? My daughter couldn't get the loans for college and i'm disabled but they count my wife's income and she's not ever her mother, my daughter is 19 wtf. So i feel ya, were all in it together except the Wasps like Romney who will be able to snap his fingers and tell the corporations to hire, hey right. lol Supply side economics got us in this mess, globalization got us in this mess, Bush telling everyone they should be able to have any home they want with Gingrich lobbing him got us in this mess, i can go on.

I mean we all can't keep eating the pie and lose weight, I just think the Rich should feel some pain too. It's a joke Romney not wanting Corporations to pay a higher tax than the refunds they are getting now, of course that ins't the sub S corporations like i use to be, nope it's the big boys he plays golf with. lol

MMJ is to big a topic for me, it is what i'm voting on, i'm in real pain, and so are a lot of and anyone who wants to take away my right to grow my own meds isn't a leader id choose.

 

[azmmjadvocates]

As the person who served 12 years in the Navy, the ARRA as you have quoted or posted is not everything that has been going on, I am 100% disabled and the VA hospital should cover a 100% since I spent a 100% of my time defending this country so jackasses like yourself can be on this site, I was in a wheelchair for 3 years, where was my government, I was on hard narcotics and where was my government, it cost me 500.00 a month for medications out of pocket and I can bet your probably sucking benefits from our government and sitting on the couch. Marie

Wow, ouch no need to be disrespectful, i'm no jackass. I don't recall saying you shouldn't receive medical care, i believe every American should have minimal coverage. I can communicate without being disrespectful, but being in the military there are people of all walks of life, colors, religions, political affiliation, good people, and criminals, killers ect... One thing they should have taught you is respect. Don't put the whole post up, show me what specifically i said to you that you took personally? There are probably quite a few veteran women who would knock the chip off your shoulder for all the hard work i do and have done for them. I advocate for PTSD to be a qualifying condition, I understand.

"I can bet your probably sucking benefits from our government and sitting on the couch. Marie" if you read what i wrote previously you'd know that i fight for artists rights, I'm recording another album right now and have a song called "soldier Boy" and veteran specific songs. lol your WAAAAAAAY off base. I've been in a wheel chair too, 3 back surgerys congenital spinal Stenosis, failed back sydrome post fusion, rod throught down my left leg, 6 screws in the ancle one broke, T1 tumor that I believe came from 2 solid years of epidurals, disks out n the neck I an not a candidate for. And your point is? i don't ask anyone to feel sorry for me, I still serve my country, being in uniform isnt the only way. BTW i'm not a vet I was co host of the show out of respect.. and that was while i was totally disabled. Im not on foodstamps, but dont hold it against anyone who has a legitimate need.

 

[azmmjadvocates]

the ARRA as you have quoted or posted ? please show me where I quoted that and rebut any quote I have made by showing i am wrong. As an independent i swing to the conservative side when it comes to not feeling sorry for myself and actually forcing myself to get off the couch and quit dwelling in the past.. I have a child that im happy to say have full custody of because i'm a fighter. I'll put that in my pipe and smoke it for ya lol

P.S. i don't like sitting on the couch I prefer a chair, or the floor, much better on the back.

 

[caveman4.20]

lol, when you post anything on here and you get it from information site then do more research before you post the first thing you see, everything else you just posted has no relevance you know absolutely nothing about me. Respect is earned not given.....

 

[caveman4.20]

Here is your post: Also worth mentioning is that the MAIN issue you have with Obama doesn't exist as you've described it. The ARRA actually spent a huge amount of money on veterans, and improving care.

Obama HAS proposed a few cuts in his deficit reduction plan--but they don't take the form you're describing.

First an excerpt describing the ARRA effect on veterans care .
By the way I never met a female or male that has been able to knock this chip off my shoulder to this day I would love to see that happen. No I'm not a sponge but obviously you know too many sponges and if you have ever heard the saying "tell me who you know and I'll tell you who you are". PTSD and advocate it's very hard to believe because you speak on an ignorant level, educate me>>>>
Marie