Shh don’t talk about electroculture ;pGreat thread, folks. These seemingly lost Skunk strains got me thinking that maybe they are not lost at all. Anyone heard of Electroculture? Supposedly we can influence gene expression using a simple process utilizing electricity. ( Electro Culture – The Boost of Plant Growth with Electricity ). In test performed on plants, genetics were made to express themselves that were thought to be long lost. Anyone interested search "The Ebner effect".
Ebner Effect: Restoring Genetic Integrity (& supercharging!) Seeds
The Ebner Effect on Cannabis seed
On the other hand, I’m wanting to introduce this next to the growShh don’t talk about electroculture ;p
TrueI have similar opinions. If I could go back and be 18 again I would probably start a plumbing company right now. The kids today know nothing because they learn no physical training is school today. Wood shop, metal shop, automotive drafting all gone. Drivers Ed as well
Ebner effect is placing the bean in the dielectric field of a capacitor during germination. There is no connection with the bean and Positive/Negative plates. Electroculture is different in that the plant is connected with earth-ground with a high positive potential just above the plant.On the other hand, I’m wanting to introduce this next to the grow
I think it was first experimented with in the 1800s.
having plants also grow in a electrical/magnetic field and or straight up running a small current or pulse to the plants.
There doesn’t seem to be a lot of information on it, and alot of research is to be done
I am not familiar with Ebner
Ok. Cool. ThanksEbner effect is placing the bean in the dielectric field of a capacitor during germination. There is no connection with the bean and Positive/Negative plates. Electroculture is different in that the plant is connected with earth-ground with a high positive potential just above the plant.
This guy played with the Ebner effect. I told him there that he should have grown-out his Ebner treated seeds using Electroculture tech: Link: The Ebner Effect on Cannabis seed
Sorry brother. Yes here is an update of the pheno hunt got my plants vegging outside. We have had this gnarly tropical heatwave this past week with 100 degree heat and stifling humidity. The plants on the patio are slightly heat stressed you will notice they are a little pale in color but heatwave supposed to break next week should snap back. In this pic we got NL#5, Crippy, 1988 Skunk, KY Burnt Rubber Skunk, KY Sativa Skunk, 2 types of Catpiss, Hell-raiser OG, and Trainwreck. The tropical storm is brewing baby!Can we get smoke plant pics BYB?
your insights are right on the money. heres some cool info for you on sulfur compounds in cannabis. i normally dont like hype strains, but having grown gelato 33 it def reeks.
A new study is offering one of the most comprehensive investigations ever conducted into the chemical origins of cannabis' unique “skunk-like” smell. The study reveals an entirely new family of sulfur compounds accounts for the novel odor and these molecules are chemically similar to aroma…newatlas.com
the first link is an article summary the second is the full paper. continuing on the soil, not only the content of fungi/bacteria facilitates, but also the swampy nature comes into play as well. using skunk cabbage as a comparison, the sulfur compounds thrive in acidic aerobic environments. so the boggy ness is key. now calcium oxalate is mentioned in the article as a key component of the skunk cabbage leaf which aids in plant protect, but also encourages the formation of these compounds. now a lot of plants which have volatile sulfur compounds deploy them in order to attract specific rare pollinators ie beetles and flies as opposed to bees butterfly etc. the carrion odor produced for these pollinators mimic smell of dead/decaying odors which these pollinators thrive on. in fact skunk cabbage is thermogenic- able to produce its own heat source which increases the range and content of these compounds for attraction. in this way the hps and high temperatures mentioned certainly amplified the smells. i find it interesting that kentucky/ohio/ virginia were many times the source of these rks acclimated lines. in the 1800s chinese hemp was brought in to kentucky. this is relevant because asian hemp as been shown to produce piperdine, which as a member of the amine family has incredibly pungent smell and attracts flies. is it possible that there was admixture with the afghan/mexican hybrids in these areas? and did the specific anaerobic bacteria in the swampy environment cause the skunk lines to transform and metabolize these asian hemp like profiles.
the article also points out the similarity between garlic/onion and skunk smell. these profiles are found in guerrero landraces, and according the sam the ratman, the Colombian gold x afghan hybrid was put to aco gold as the final step for sk1. since a golds close proximity to guerrero , maybe the Mexican component is more important .mountain organics has the real deal a gold and has used "beaver musk" to describe its profile. outside of the roadkill name, rks description sometimes skips over the skunk part. to me, the immediate and drastic skunk musk odor of roadkill is mostly due to all of the skunk musk being released at once due to the pressure of being run over. sulfur compounds and amines in plants are designed to attract far away pollinators in plants in the same way a skunks spray is immediately detected in animals as a deterrent. very cool research man
Where'd you go?what a great thread thanks for sharing all that figure maybe i could throw a couple ideas out here. i think the esters ether aldehydes ketones oxygenated terpenoids can still be found, but not in indoor inbred lines. the missing factor is the results of domestication. terpenes esters even cannabinoids they all serve a purpose for the plant, a defense weapon usually against bugs fungi bacteria etc. while all plants produce a base set of terpenes, an induced set also exists which becomes irrelevant inside. these are called induced oleoresins.
a good example is korean conifer trees and delta carene. a healthy pine has nearly 0 delta carene. however, upon attack by a pine wilt nematode, huge amounts of carene are released. now im not saying we have to infect our plants, but even inside we can mimic these relationships by using hormones or simulating insect attacks. methyl jasmonate is the alarm hormone plants use which is activated by an attack, and in turn activates these oleoresins. chitin is a ground up mix of beetle shells and insides. when a plant root system comes in contact, they think an attack is happening, increase their hormone alarm and release oleoresin. both of these ingredients are safe to use and fairly inexpensive.
i think its interesting that rks was seen alot in the uncle fester sk18, which was torture tested to become a pest resistant line. to make it bulletproof it was intentionally infected/attacked/neglected by the breeders. now this brings me to concepts like epigenetics and methylation. these are adjustments to regulation of genes which are inheritable, but also have an on/off component. they also dont show up in dna tests. instead they work thru gene and synthase transcription. basically a sort of memory or switch board for the plants defense system.
in the 60s regardless of the line, many p1 plants were very generationally close to their home/adapted environment whether that be feral or farmed. since these epigenetics and hormone alarms can be inherited the first few generations would continue to act as it normally would. but either due to a milder climate or a trip inside, the plants would slowly silence or adjust these switches to the muted forms we see today. now trainwreck i believe was built with a lowland thai which comes from a harsh environment. so it makes sense that they would be keyed up to provide those amazing qualities you described. one thing i like to do is search for different uses the plant has for certain aromatic elements, like the carene example. sulfur compounds, amines etc are probly a big piece of the puzzle. with all the access we have to different heirlooms, landraces it could be helpful to infuse certain stinky lines into domesticated lines with potential, to awaken their wild side. so thanks for all the great info!!
Where is everyone getting seeds?They got bred out. Luckily I kept some of the original beans that had the line still left in it
You clicked join to be a member!Looks like at least one of my comments in this thread has been deleted, as well as a couple of replies from others. Didn't realize that this site is also caught up in the censorship game
Edit: My bad! It's a great growers forum not a political forum