Road Kill Skunk - Ester Alcohols, Train-wreck and the Catpiss Connection

Backyard_Boogie · Apr 2, 2022

weed420420420420420 said:
Wonder how soon for that one...
His monster piss is looking mighty tasty. And the skunk piss. And well... everything he's got looks phenomenal.

Yeah he’s no joke I’m glad I found out about him. When we met up in person to buy the cuts he also snipped off a few little lower flowers so I could smell and sample. The SSH Catpiss was frosty AF even the little lower flowers. Beautiful smell I dried the little bud on my counter. Didn’t even cure it just dried it out 4 days and smoked it yet it still had flavor. So far I’m impressed with everything. His White Rhino is supposed to be fucking wicked it’s the real cut from decades past. I’m doing that one too along with his KY skunk release.

william76 · Apr 2, 2022

The original 97 ssh reeks of catpiss among other things,iv got a female and a male and a passel of seeds,better pure than bxd,I'll get a pic shortly,76

Backyard_Boogie · Apr 2, 2022

william76 said:
The original 97 ssh reeks of catpiss among other things,iv got a female and a male and a passel of seeds,better pure than bxd,I'll get a pic shortly,76

Yesssss!!! This is exactly why I wanted to start this thread I want to start bringing the pissy ammonia strains all together. Thank you so much brother I appreciate it!

Also you have a Male! Hallelujah! That male is incredibly valuable cuz it can be splashed on the Kentucky skunk or any of the other RKS strains coming out. JR's Kentucky skunk is gonna be top shelf as is Im sure but what Im trying to accomplish is the Skunky reek with the Ammonia/Alcohol nose burn together. The Ester Alcohol vibe. A lot of this is preference some guys never had ammonia in their skunks it was just straight skunk. But the hottest stuff we had where Im from did have the ammonia burn. Its kinda nostalgic to me I guess. A certain type of experience from my past a familiar taste and smell that I must have again! Thanks again can't wait to see your pics!

Moshmen · Apr 2, 2022

For what it’s worth any rks I bought back in the 80’s was grown in northern Kentucky/ southern Indiana could only buy a lb or 2 at a time .

Backyard_Boogie · Apr 2, 2022

Moshmen said:
For what it’s worth any rks I bought back in the 80’s was grown in northern Kentucky/ southern Indiana could only buy a lb or 2 at a time .

Yeah Im not sure exactly what area JR's Kentucky genetics come from. They might discuss it in that podcast i posted but I cant remember. Im not familiar with the state all I know is that the seeds came from a moonshiner family that did the grows outdoors up in the Appalachian hills somewhere. And they are old seeds from 1996 however the lineage has probably been grown for a long time before then. Im excited to start playing with all of these old genetics that have been discussed in this thread.

william76 · Apr 2, 2022

Iv a few candidates to look through seedwise,iv got 86 skunk x Affie,89 superskunk etc,iv others too!,so many shoices so little time I don't think I'd look for rks in super silver haze,though ull find things that smell nearly as strong though,for some reason I can't post a pic,strange!,76

Backyard_Boogie · Apr 2, 2022

william76 said:
Iv a few candidates to look through seedwise,iv got 86 skunk x Affie,89 superskunk etc,iv others too!,so many shoices so little time I don't think I'd look for rks in super silver haze,though ull find things that smell nearly as strong though,for some reason I can't post a pic,strange!,76

Nice! Thats awesome man so cool! Yeah I am well aware that the expression of the SSH catpiss and the RKS are definitely different. Meaning that if I was gonna try for a true authentic RKS then the SSH probably wouldn't be the best choice to cross with. However for me this isnt about making authentic skunk its about trying to incorporate the Ammonia/Alcohal piss vibe into something really skunky. Even if I get other different smells than just skunk its ok. I just want it skunky and LOUD with lots of ammonia sting on the nose. Other expressions are OK in my book as long as its loud!! Perhaps I can PM you to see about acquiring some of your legit old school lines. Please let me know

weed420420420420420 · Apr 3, 2022

I like how he's got a handful of well developed strains and not 60 different things to choose from.

Backyard_Boogie · Apr 3, 2022

weed420420420420420 said:
I like how he's got a handful of well developed strains and not 60 different things to choose from.

Yeah for sure. With me I have a handful of my go to moneymakers that are always in the rotation. Maybe4 or 5 strains. Then I also got 60 different things to choose from as well that other stuff is basically the vault I bust shit out for variety every once in a while but if they don't compete with the moneymakers they go back to the vault. Even if the strains aren't my favorite i still like to save them just in case we have a WWIII Zombie apocalypse I would like to preserve as many strains as possible LOL.

weed420420420420420 · Apr 3, 2022

shiva skunk in some of his crosses. He absolutely knows whats up.

the rrock · Apr 3, 2022

the real trainwreck has adeep lemon smell, no skunk whatsoever,what your looking for could be found with numerous sensi strains from their catalog back in the 70s, Heard your story time and time again. The real mexican and thai strains back then are what made most strains today and when smoking it was an event an all day affair,the only thing similar today are certain phenos of hindu kush from sensi that by now is probably watered down.I lost those years ago but still have a few crosses with their NL5xHAZE that held its own. All this was pre intranet

the rrock · Apr 3, 2022

Backyard_Boogie said:
But this is why I wanted to start this thread so we can talk about the genetics. I simply wanted to share my Old school Train-wreck experience because after listening to Kevin Jodrey it sounds like the Ester Alcohols that were lost accounted for a lot of the potent smells of the era. And the specific Train-wreck pheno that I had back then DEFINETLY had these alcohols. Its those extremely volatile alcohol and fat based compounds that used to occur naturally in the flower. So volatile that you cant make extracts with it, were talking exclusively smoking cannabis. Super oily and fatty when you pick apart the nug, every little calyx sticks to you fingers you gotta flick em off. This is what I want this thread to focus on. I have been using the term Ammonia a lot as a smell descriptor but actually now that I think about it... The smell Im talking about is like a cross between Ammonia and Rubbing Alcohol. I have yet to ever hear ANYONE not even 1 single person (Outside of Kevin Jodrey in his video) ever mention the strain Train-wreck when discussing the old extinct skunks. So all Im saying is maybe this might be a good place to perhaps look for some experimental breeding.

Has anyone out there ever smoked the Ammoniated Catpiss version of Train-wreck? The old one from the 80s? Or the HogsBreathe? Or hell even an Ammoniated skunk. If anyone has these strains or if you know someone who might please let me know! Even if its something similar. Im trying to bring together a handful of strains together from the past. I will pay you big cash for a real cut. Im not a sloucher I got dough I will put my money where my mouth is. If I cant find the Ammonia/Alcohols in a direct cut then Im hoping to do some big open pollination runs between these exclusive vintage lines. If I pop enough beans my thought is I might be able to find one of those recessive phenos that has the Ester Alcohol in it. The nose burn sting.

I know a lot of people say that the skunk they smoked did NOT have the Ammonia/Rubbing Alcohol smell. That must mean that the version of skunk they were smoking probably was super high in the skunk terps profile but didn't have the Ester alcohol. I firmly believe that RKS was NOT a single strain it was actually an era in cannabis. There was a time in the US when the skunk flower was REALLY good and if you traveled around the country then you would likely find that the flower variations are not always identical. There were different versions floating around of what everyone is now referring to as "RKS". This is the best explanation for why everyone is arguing about the way it smells. There were different variations of what everyone is calling RKS. I want to stop arguing about it and start cooperating together to try to bring a collective of vintage strains together. Both Ammoniated/Alcohal skunks and non Alcohol skunks too! Im open to anything that is legit! Females and males both! If I start splashing around the pollen who knows? Maybe I will get lucky and find a Unicorn again like I did in college. If I do I would gladly share it with everyone on the THCFarm! I don't hoard shit I believe everyone should be openly trading together. It makes our grow community stronger.

trainwreck wasnt around yet in the 80s

weed420420420420420 · Apr 4, 2022

some trainwreck phenos are tigher buds and berryish flavored. but then she'll surprise you with that deep pineapple pheno. Loose buds with huge trikes. Super smooth in a volcano. much like dna lemon skunk.

Backyard_Boogie · Apr 4, 2022

the rrock said:
trainwreck wasnt around yet in the 80s

I didn't smoke in the 80s so I cannot personally attest to this however based upon what I read on google the era it was created is up for debate. It is definitely an old strain though. All the searches I read said it was created sometime between the 60s and 80s but I don't know...

FuriousStyles · Apr 4, 2022

Lots of cool conversation here, good read.
The picture you posted from instagram, doesn't really look like any of the "skunk" WE had back in the late 80's and 90's.
All of it was super neon or lime green. That was what set it apart from everything else, that and the smell.
Maybe his will lighten up. Could be the difference between indoor hydro and sungrown. Not knocking the guy don't take it that way.
Just saying that doesn't look like what we had.

Late 80's back east, bulk herb that looked light green like that WAS being moved through TN, KY and VA.
If you wanted to, it would take you years to become acquainted enough with someone from those areas back then who knows enough to even talk about it.
And even if you got answers they would more than likely lead to someone else who you would never get to talk to if you are not family.

My guess is there was some transaction that took place between east and west coast that made the RKS.
We was getting small packages of skunky light green herb in 87-88 right after the chocolate thai came through in 85.
By 89 it had an orange flavor, still light green but not so skunky. Sweet orange not zest.
By 90 that skunk came back. Except now it so much louder and skunkier than ever and when you stuck your nose in the bag it had that male catpiss smell.
To me that's the RKS and it really was that loud like you got sprayed by the animal, similar to, but different from the overheated beer smell.

1diesel1 · Apr 4, 2022

Here is a example of what the skunk looked like back in the 80s here in northwest oregun.

This is T-1000 from CSI Humboldt/Tigard Farms

I have jars of this curing.
Triangle Kush x purple Urkle

when you first open the jar it has a mid skunk smell but fades as air penetrates.
Smoke is phenomenal, a hint of skunk with more of a piney after taste.
For those that remember the expanding bong hits from your younger years, yes the feeling is still in there and comes with the back of the nose burn on exhale.
This pheno I kept because of the memories it brought back to my head.

Not a big producer but damn good smoke.
The skunk is in this one it just needs some TLC:)

FuriousStyles · Apr 4, 2022

1diesel1 said:
Here is a example of what the skunk looked like back in the 80s here in northwest oregun.

This is T-1000 from CSI Humboldt/Tigard Farms

I have jars of this curing.
Triangle Kush x purple Urkle

when you first open the jar it has a mid skunk smell but fades as air penetrates.
Smoke is phenomenal, a hint of skunk with more of a piney after taste.
For those that remember the expanding bong hits from your younger years, yes the feeling is still in there and comes with the back of the nose burn on exhale.
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Not a big producer but damn good smoke.
The skunk is in this one it just needs some TLC:)

What we were getting then back east looked like green golf ball sized perfectly round nugs. All meat no bone.

That does look fire though. Who knows that might be the missing link?

1diesel1 · Apr 4, 2022

FuriousStyles said:
What we were getting then back east looked like green golf ball sized perfectly round nugs. All meat no bone.

That does look fire though. Who knows that might be the missing link?

Vacuum sealed buds

Backyard_Boogie · Apr 4, 2022

FuriousStyles said:
Lots of cool conversation here, good read.
The picture you posted from instagram, doesn't really look like any of the "skunk" WE had back in the late 80's and 90's.
All of it was super neon or lime green. That was what set it apart from everything else, that and the smell.
Maybe his will lighten up. Could be the difference between indoor hydro and sungrown. Not knocking the guy don't take it that way.
Just saying that doesn't look like what we had.

Late 80's back east, bulk herb that looked light green like that WAS being moved through TN, KY and VA.
If you wanted to, it would take you years to become acquainted enough with someone from those areas back then who knows enough to even talk about it.
And even if you got answers they would more than likely lead to someone else who you would never get to talk to if you are not family.

My guess is there was some transaction that took place between east and west coast that made the RKS.
We was getting small packages of skunky light green herb in 87-88 right after the chocolate thai came through in 85.
By 89 it had an orange flavor, still light green but not so skunky. Sweet orange not zest.
By 90 that skunk came back. Except now it so much louder and skunkier than ever and when you stuck your nose in the bag it had that male catpiss smell.
To me that's the RKS and it really was that loud like you got sprayed by the animal, similar to, but different from the overheated beer smell.

Yes I completely agree with you on this. I never got a chance to smoke back then cuz I was not of age but I do distinctly remember piggy backing off of the genetics of the 80s and 90s in my beginning years. The older stuff was still around a bit harder to come buy but still available. Like I stated in my long ass story it was the beginning where shit had that awesome ammonia piss on fire thing going on. It was amazing and when I read about this online many old heads agreed that 90s may actually have been the true peak of the loudest cannabis. Im not trying to start a debate on here I know shit was amazing in the 80s and 70s too Im simply stating what I have found from talking with people and reading on the internet. I personally remember the skunkiest herbs being lime green NOT purple with an insane ammonia/rubbing alcohol thing going on. I think the chronic I was getting in SoCal had a sativa vibe in it.

As for JR's Kentucky skunk he's breeding right now... That picture is indeed purple however he did say that there is an all green pheno too he just didn't take a picture of it. I cant blame him cuz instagram is full of people who are purple crazy. i feel like just cuz a flower is purple it will get twice as many like so maybe he just chose that one cuz it looked prettier. He said smell is exactly the same on all only difference is color. If i link up with him to get a breeder cut Im gonna try to get the green one personally lol. Im indifferent to purple myself.

Backyard_Boogie · Apr 4, 2022

We need to bring these Ester alcohols back in guys! That ammonia rubbing alcohol flame! This is key Im telling you! Even if the skunk herb that you old heads were smoking back in the day didn't have the ammonia its OK! Cuz I know with 100% certainty that if any of you guys could go back with me and smoke that Train-wreck or any of the other SoCal ammonia strains that we had you would all LOVE them too. This isn't about having to lay claim or argue about just 1 type of RKS. Its about understanding that there was a whole era of skunky ass weed with likely multiple of variations floating around. If you lived in one area maybe you experienced one kind but if you would have traveled I bet anything there were many amazing variations of different "skunks" most of which all lost today. If someone finds the non-ammonia version of a super skunky herb please share it with me! We can compare and contrast and I will send you the Ammonia/Alcohol cut (If I can finally find her LOL) . This way we can all try and sample all these types of vintage skunk herb!

Road Kill Skunk - Ester Alcohols, Train-wreck and the Catpiss Connection

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