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[closettrapper217]

30% at a time over 2 weeks if photo when pruning and not past 4 weeks start flower or the shock will turn them Hermi, over feeding can cause hermi, temp flux 2° + over max temp can turn hermi, another grower within 1 mile growing outdoor males can Cause Hermi. Just some of the reasons they can go hermi..

Yeah I was struglling bad on the first one just regulating temps and the time of year it got super cold in my basement where the tent is before we started running the heat. It could of definitely been a combination of things but I got it pretty dialed now while the lights are on its 75-78 degrees 55-60 percent humidity then at night I turn my six inch inline on the lowest I can and it goes down to like 71-74 and 40 percent humidity. I would like to keep humidity the same all the time but I have to get a better controller for my fan or something but I don’t think it’s too far off from what I need. And MUCH better than the first time haha

 

[closettrapper217]

I love the grow. We'll done
Question for you.
Are you trimming growth below 3rd Node from Tip of main cola? And why do you keep so many fans on them? Just curious Questions if you don't mind. Canopy blockage from main large fans, reduces yields, quality and density, in my experience, so am only asking for personal educational feedback.
As you can see on my little girl here, i hack my Main Fans off and allows all the light to penetrate the entire plant with some LST during its 1.5month veg cycle. I used to keep fans on my plants till i experimented with last 5 grows doing half less trim half full prune and results are 1.5 lbs better pruned hard during transition. This allows my bud sites to push sugars, canaboids, nutrients to each site much better. Also only like top 3 nodes + cola to grow keeping undercarriage picked clean of growth. It also helps Push all the love to the flowers and less popcorn nuggs.lol

Hey they way you have your pots in those containers. I have more or less the same situation but do you worry about salts from your run off collecting in the bottom container? Idk if I’m asking this correctly. But I was worried about over feeding my plants from the salts that are brought to the bottom of the container in the run off

 

[davil420]

Yeah I was struglling bad on the first one just regulating temps and the time of year it got super cold in my basement where the tent is before we started running the heat. It could of definitely been a combination of things but I got it pretty dialed now while the lights are on its 75-78 degrees 55-60 percent humidity then at night I turn my six inch inline on the lowest I can and it goes down to like 71-74 and 40 percent humidity. I would like to keep humidity the same all the time but I have to get a better controller for my fan or something but I don’t think it’s too far off from what I need. And MUCH better than the first time haha

Ok, so, there is a couple things you can do to help regulate your environment. If I may make suggestions as per experience and currently operate myself is;.
** note ** intake over night? So, intake fans are non passive intake for fresh air into a Large Confined space( tent) Greenhouse, etc.. however, day run time is best for active intake of needing it at all.. Passive works much easier cheaper and better for stability running a Fan 24/7 without control for the fan / humidity. If your under 10x5x7 space, if you are running 6inch exhaust, you only need 6-8 inch of Passive intake ( opposite of the exhaust) open 24/7, which most tents have with a Velcro mesh vent.
SOLUTIONS with full control
So, I see these guys have promoters and sponsors so i will use them in my suggestions.
Automated exhaust 6inch Fan. Vivosun AC both have reliable systems that run off an app.
IF I MAY, Govee products have a couple great humidifiers and sensors for temp/hmd the humidifier pairs to for readings and stability for the environment. Fully automated just like the exhaust. With both of these, you can set Limit Switches for Max humidity temp. Humidifier also can be set to Automatically keep the environment at a desired Limit you set within 1°. Together they kick in and maintain Heat and humidity. When it is set up, you max the temp Limit and lower to lowest temp limits for temp. Set the High limit to the Humidity you want ( 60% ) and max lower the humidity limit. Now the tent will Maintain 60% hmdt and maintain your temps via Fan. With Passive intake venting, you will see the tent will act like lungs and a full exchange of air will be under 3m x 1 exchange, temps won't flux, humidity stays very steady.
68 - 75°f 70% hmd is a great Veg target day run when temp drops Naturally when lights off you Also need to lower your Humidity at night, and no need to bring in allot of fresh air overnight dark period, keep vents open all time.
Fan will kick in Under your low limit so you need to make sure its set lower than outside tents temp at night. Key tho is Circulation fans, as long as you have your Fans in the right places, speeds and prune, lst, hst, trimm the plants well, your fans and systems will work steady to control things. I use 2 6inch below canopy on a Slight upward direction opposite corners same hight,
2 a 1ft below cieling directed 45° down opposite corners and (,Above lights)
2 above Canopy both slight up,
All fans should be opposite of eachother in tent so the Air is Always clashing and circulating getting everything without Direct impact. If you Need to have Direct impact, reduce speed and add a Floor fans blowing straight accross the floor, blowing opposite of exhaust. Wind burn kills leaf and dries bud sites and can cause shock so the plant slows down, stunts, can't recover well.. idea is set speeds so it's moving air, but not a wind storm so the humidity and temps are Balanced by Moving the air.
Control Temp With Humidity and LVPD with temp and humidity.
Hot temps cool it down with higher humidity, cool temps, less humidity needed to have a warmer Leaf temp.
In the pics I added you can see by changing the temp or hum. Changes the Environment stage of growth ideal for the plant.
Hop this was useful lol..

 

[davil420]

Hey they way you have your pots in those containers. I have more or less the same situation but do you worry about salts from your run off collecting in the bottom container? Idk if I’m asking this correctly. But I was worried about over feeding my plants from the salts that are brought to the bottom of the container in the run off

Lol hi, here check this out and I'll explain my method

 

[davil420]

Lol hi, here check this out and I'll explain my method View attachment 2374532

So, those are my Data cal. Over the time period month of the environment in my tent. It's pretty stable and nothing crazy. Remember outside grows get hit with a crap load of variables but there is always Air movement even if it's a Slight breeze. So, replicate the speeds and positioning of circulating fans to help maintained the environment with limits using the Calcultor Dr.greenhouse you can play with temp hmd up down and see the results, happy or stressed.. know your gap and stick within in.

 

[davil420]

I use a Shop vac when I need to. The Drip is 1min every 4 hours and as you can see, some plants take it all with little ro, some have more ro. All my pots are on Feet Raised above the water in the tray when it runs off. Also, I Always run a Rinse every 4th week for 5 days, this is important to me to keep salts, mineral build up, toxins molds issues from taking hold. A good rinse a month helps plants take it in. I use a dwcw system now but used a rdwc system for last grow from home made engineering with tubing, buckets, funels, gravity with a tank pump timer system. Water goes in, through plant, down screen vented lid, into funnel, out a tubing into a Main sloped larger tubing, back to the Tank or waste if I flushed with 2 valves on a 3 way for diversion. All under 200.00 for 12 plants 1.5 ft apart. Lol

 

[davil420]

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I use a Shop vac when I need to. The Drip is 1min every 4 hours and as you can see, some plants take it all with little ro, some have more ro. All my pots are on Feet Raised above the water in the tray when it runs off. Also, I Always run a Rinse every 4th week for 5 days, this is important to me to keep salts, mineral build up, toxins molds issues from taking hold. A good rinse a month helps plants take it in. I use a dwcw system now but used a rdwc system for last grow from home made engineering with tubing, buckets, funels, gravity with a tank pump timer system. Water goes in, through plant, down screen vented lid, into funnel, out a tubing into a Main sloped larger tubing, back to the Tank or waste if I flushed with 2 valves on a 3 way for diversion. All under 200.00 for 12 plants 1.5 ft apart. Lol

 

[closettrapper217]

So I have an intake with a four inch intake that runs all the time from the outside through a carbon filter which basically always stays on and then I turn the more powerful exhaust fan when the humidity in the tent starts creeping up. It’s a pretty far run to where I have the access to the outside.

Your setup is wild.
It’s pretty crazy the amount of data you can have I can’t wait to be at that point. Goals lol

 

[davil420]

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[closettrapper217]

View attachment 2374544
I use a Shop vac when I need to. The Drip is 1min every 4 hours and as you can see, some plants take it all with little ro, some have more ro. All my pots are on Feet Raised above the water in the tray when it runs off. Also, I Always run a Rinse every 4th week for 5 days, this is important to me to keep salts, mineral build up, toxins molds issues from taking hold. A good rinse a month helps plants take it in. I use a dwcw system now but used a rdwc system for last grow from home made engineering with tubing, buckets, funels, gravity with a tank pump timer system. Water goes in, through plant, down screen vented lid, into funnel, out a tubing into a Main sloped larger tubing, back to the Tank or waste if I flushed with 2 valves on a 3 way for diversion. All under 200.00 for 12 plants 1.5 ft apart. Lol

I def néed to put something in my trays to raise the pots up a little bit more off them for sure now that you say that. My pots are raised a little but not much.

 

[davil420]

So I have an intake with a four inch intake that runs all the time from the outside through a carbon filter which basically always stays on and then I turn the more powerful exhaust fan when the humidity in the tent starts creeping up. It’s a pretty far run to where I have the access to the outside.

Your setup is wild.
It’s pretty crazy the amount of data you can have I can’t wait to be at that point. Goals lol

So, out doors and indoors for concentration of c02 is not different, the Air from your room, garage, whatever is perfectly fine, and also, has a different temp maintained indoors than Outside fluctuates and is harder to maintain the tent environment. If I was in your shoes, I would cut intake fan out altogether and open 2 vents on tent opposite of exhaust, I garuntee you a way easier to manage environment stability unless, I could eat my words here... unless you run High heat hot ass lights and or have Balast thag is over 80°f when lights on.. then Out sid3 when cool outside is yes, worth the intake from outdoors. Lol
Leds, id go passive, set the humidifier on max and adjust Just the exhaust fan to maintain your cfm and environment. Less work

 

[davil420]

I def néed to put something in my trays to raise the pots up a little bit more off them for sure now that you say that. My pots are raised a little but not much.

Cheap way
1 plastic 3d print them
2 get some clay from a craft shore ( super cheap ) form them how ya want them, bake them in Oven, use them.

 

[closettrapper217]

So, out doors and indoors for concentration of c02 is not different, the Air from your room, garage, whatever is perfectly fine, and also, has a different temp maintained indoors than Outside fluctuates and is harder to maintain the tent environment. If I was in your shoes, I would cut intake fan out altogether and open 2 vents on tent opposite of exhaust, I garuntee you a way easier to manage environment stability unless, I could eat my words here... unless you run High heat hot ass lights and or have Balast thag is over 80°f when lights on.. then Out sid3 when cool outside is yes, worth the intake from outdoors. Lol
Leds, id go passive, set the humidifier on max and adjust Just the exhaust fan to maintain your cfm and environment. Less work

No I’m telling you I’ve thought that for a while but people were in my head saying they need fresh air. It would definitely make it much easier to regulate. I’m doing it tomorrow. Haha

 

[davil420]

So atm I run 900 watts at the wall, 2 x 4500w led light ppdf 1590 max power 8 inch above canopy with 90% coverage the same ppdf in 1 10x5x6.6.
I also run a 300watt at wall, 3000 watt led ppdf 1590 8inch above canopy. All lights are on a Sunrise sun set mode, on till off on 25% - 100% - 25% off over 18 hrs.
I have another 10x5x6.6 aswell that I just collapsed and set the 4x4 back up to finish photos. Then that light fan humidifier will go into 10x5 for 450+450+300 at wall watts, 12k watts inside tent with only 1 balast inside running 82°f. I am Dwarfing this Auto grow to stay under 2ft and direct colas for Max yield almost 0 under buds, just colas.

 

[davil420]

No I’m telling you I’ve thought that for a while but people were in my head saying they need fresh air. It would definitely make it much easier to regulate. I’m doing it tomorrow. Haha

You can use Generators for better c02 in the tent using 1/2 inch tubing and 3 2 ltr coke bottles lol water lemon juice baking soda and you have a generator of continuous c02. Lol I have my own and use it in flower stage. Lasts 3 weeks, then change solution. Run hose like a raindrop system with 3 8s wholes evey 4 inch and all facing down. Tada c02 rain drip for less than 10$

 

[davil420]

You can use Generators for better c02 in the tent using 1/2 inch tubing and 3 2 ltr coke bottles lol water lemon juice baking soda and you have a generator of continuous c02. Lol I have my own and use it in flower stage. Lasts 3 weeks, then change solution. Run hose like a raindrop system with 3 8s wholes evey 4 inch and all facing down. Tada c02 rain drip for less than 10$

Oh, sugar is the fuel so need sugar

 

[davil420]

Oh, sugar is the fuel so need sugar

The 3 blue 1gal container i have hold the c02 solution, the middle one is the Guage and feeding line. 3 go into 1 clear water half full, then same container OUT to feed tent. The water will bubble. 440 - 480 ppm is normal everywhere we go in environment, with bubbles every sec we have 900 - 1100 ppm bubbles every 2 sec 700-800 ppm, every 3 sec we are 550 - 680 ppm. To increase and decrease the volume made from generator, we add or reduce Yeast volumes to mix. More yeast higher c02, less lower.

 

[davil420]

The 3 blue 1gal container i have hold the c02 solution, the middle one is the Guage and feeding line. 3 go into 1 clear water half full, then same container OUT to feed tent. The water will bubble. 440 - 480 ppm is normal everywhere we go in environment, with bubbles every sec we have 900 - 1100 ppm bubbles every 2 sec 700-800 ppm, every 3 sec we are 550 - 680 ppm. To increase and decrease the volume made from generator, we add or reduce Yeast volumes to mix. More yeast higher c02, less lower.

So unless your running hot lights and Balasts inside the tent, there is no reason to have a Outside source for fresh air at all. Fact is, indoor is stable, clean as its filtered coming in 90% time through screens or furnace filter, and always have fresh air intake Via Homes Hvac system.
Passive works just fine for tents up ton10x10x6 without massive heat issues. Another great thing about indoors is if the home has AC and you run it in summer while growing, you have AC passive Air coming in to Cool the tent. However Ac also kills humidity so adjustments need to be made running AC

 

[closettrapper217]

So unless your running hot lights and Balasts inside the tent, there is no reason to have a Outside source for fresh air at all. Fact is, indoor is stable, clean as its filtered coming in 90% time through screens or furnace filter, and always have fresh air intake Via Homes Hvac system.
Passive works just fine for tents up ton10x10x6 without massive heat issues. Another great thing about indoors is if the home has AC and you run it in summer while growing, you have AC passive Air coming in to Cool the tent. However Ac also kills humidity so adjustments need to be made running AC

Awesome man I appreciate all the help!

 

[closettrapper217]

The 3 blue 1gal container i have hold the c02 solution, the middle one is the Guage and feeding line. 3 go into 1 clear water half full, then same container OUT to feed tent. The water will bubble. 440 - 480 ppm is normal everywhere we go in environment, with bubbles every sec we have 900 - 1100 ppm bubbles every 2 sec 700-800 ppm, every 3 sec we are 550 - 680 ppm. To increase and decrease the volume made from generator, we add or reduce Yeast volumes to mix. More yeast higher c02, less lower.

I’m doing this tomorrow for sure haha