Second attempt with Massive - now with less PK

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So deciding if we want to flip a week early as they’re getting pretty big. There is a trellis net installed at about the 5 foot mark in each tent.

Few the gals are looking a little droopy, but still growing around an inch to two a day. The one cookies that was trimmed young is still sooo small. She'll prolly grow straight up in flower.

Temp: 78F
RH: 57%
PPFD: 450
Water: 1450PPM
PH: 6.4
CO2: 0PPM

Somewhere in there is a picture of the current breakdown on the Water. Few things aren't listed that are used:
Orca: 2ml/gal
Mr. Fulvic: 1ml/gal
SLF-100: 2.5ml/gal

Res smells like wet earth, and is completely clear.

That PPM is way out of line for the ppfd. Far too high imho. I'd be using half that amount of fert personally.

 

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Noted! We'll just add water next time the res is low and see if we can't cut it in half.

 

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So two things to update from this.

Original PPFD readings were old. Like over a week old. Took them again last night and they were closer to 550~

Decided to push them a little harder and upped the juice to 100%. PPFD is now around 650. If we need more PPFD we will start dropping the lights. Right now they are sitting about 6 inches away from the top of the tent (fan blowing across all of the drivers so they are plenty cool), and about 3-4 feet above the canopy.

Checked them this morning to see how they handled it. Seems that's exactly what the doctor ordered. The growth last night was explosive. No signs, yet, of too much light.

 

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So about 12 weeks out from the next run going in so here we are. Decided to document this mess while the other one is running

Clones in the cloner have seen better days. PH of the res was way out of wack and it shows. Reading 7.1 :/ Either way they've been in the cloner since 2/13. Should have taken some pics of their stalks, looking like they're about to explode.

Seeds were dropped in last night. Only running one set of seeds this time around. Ethos Mac n' Jack R1.

List is...long. This will be a tough run with as many different strains running together.

Donny Burger #5
The Real Sour x GCC - TrustFall
Apples & Bananas - CLTVTD Cut
Glitter Bomb - CLTVTD Cut
Mac 1
Durban Poison
Gushers
RS-11
Blue Dream

Mac n' Jack R1 - Ethos' Seeds.

 

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Things are a little rough right now. Still working through what’s going on. The seeds are looking pretty banged up. I'm guessing too much K, but I could be wrong.

The clone tent is looking amazing. They're ready to flip, the other tents just need to get health :/

 

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Soooo.

First to admit, don't know what we're doing lol.

Switched back to running just Jack's 3-2-1 /w micro's and the 1g/gal of Calcium Sulfate.

They're looking better. Cleaned them up a bit and lowered the trellis net.

 

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Things are looking better in the garden. Flipping to flower Friday 3/3. Back on the Jack's 321. Only change is running .5gr/gal of Mag-Sulfate and 1gr/gal of Calcium-Sulfate + the microbes.

The IHG tent is looking better. Ladies got cleaned up and the grape gas got bent over. Got a bit rough with her and snapped a branch, luckily it wasn't to bad and she recovered well.

The Ethos tent is recovering from all the drama. The stunted one in the back right corner still kicking around. Putting her in the 7gal really ended up being a whoops.

Clone tent is looking great all around. Gorilla Breath and Grape Gas have recovered well. Slurricane in the middle having a great time, got really spread out by the net.

Temp: 74F
RH: 60
CO2: 0PPM
PPFD: 450
PPM: 1250
PH: 6.0

Seeds are looking good. 1 week since the pack was opened.
Temp: 84F
RH: 78
PPFD: 150
PPM: 350
PH: 5.7

 

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Last day of veg. Tomorrow lights will be switched to 12/12. Canopy is filling out nicely. Still some holes here and there, but hopefully the stretch will provide some extra coverage.

Temp: 75F
RH: 55%
PPFD: 450
PPM: 1250
PH: 6.1

 

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Apologies in advance to anyone who has a data cap.

Day 2 of Flower. First night of 12/12 past and first night with massive.

Jeezus. There was one branch on the grape gas that looks like it grew 4 inches over night. Node spacing is wild, like 3 inches between the nodes.

Temp: 77F
RH: 55%
PPFD: 500
PPM: 1450
PH: 6.1

Next post will have the feed changes made.

 

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On our last run we had issues about a week into the flip where the plants started to look like they were N starved because of what was assumed to be locked out because of the massive PK boost from the Purpinator and Massive. This could possibly be true, but we think it's more likely we just cut back on the base too much. We did 2.5ml/gal of massive and cut back on the feed back from 80% to 70%. The amount of Massive added was only 50% of the per Liter amount, not the per Gallon amount we were using...Doh. This time around it was corrected. Hydrobuddy shows what we are currently running.

 

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Day F4.

Massive doing it's thing. Grape gas in the middle of the IHG tent is taking full advantage of it.

The Etho's Girls got worked hard by the trim job back in January and have had a really hard time recovering unlike the IHG girls.

Clone tent is looking good. The Banana Splitz is looking a little beat by the light.

New res was made. They're currently drinking around 5-6 gallons a day.

Temp: 77F
RH: 55%
PPFD: 500
PPM: 1600
PH: 6.1

 

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Day F6.

Canopy is really filling out. We are most likely going to add a second trellis net as the stretch is getting wild. The etho's cookies are really the only ones that aren't doing great. Think between the early defoliation and the other various issues during veg, their root ball is just behind.

Seedlings for the next grow are looking amazing! Those Etho's seeds are really taking off. Day 16 since putting them in a cup of water for 48 hours. The clones next to them are ehhhh, doing alright.

Temp: 77F
RH: 55%
PPFD: 500
PPM: 1600
PH: 6.1

The Potassium Silicate has been doing better than I could have imagined for stabilizing the res. PH has not moved in 3 days.

 

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Day F9. First day of week 2 is looking good so far. The stretch has been pretty intense.

Temp: 80F
RH: 57%
PPFD: ~550ish
PPM:1600
Ph: 6.0

 

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Day F11.

Sheesh. Stretch has been intense. We will stop using Massive a few days early. They're going to get a res change tomorrow or the day after, so at most they're going to loose 3 days of Massive. With as much as they have already stretched, think we're going to quite happy.

Temp: 81F
RH: 55%
PPFD: ~575ish
PPM:1600
Ph: 6.0

Our Slurricane clone will usually have 1-2 really strong tops, this time around she's got at least 5.

Veg Tent is haphazardly tossed together. They got at least 4 weeks together in here...we'll see how that goes.

 

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Day 15F.

Things in the tent with the Slurricane and company were getting a bit out of hand. We were trying to wait till F21 to defoliate them, but it was bad. Cleaned up quite a bit. Other two tents we are going to wait till next week to give them their final clean up.

They're off the massive and just in time. The explosive growth with it is no joke. With the removal of the massive there was some PK that was lost in the process. Currently adding 10ml/gal of Purpinator to make up for the missing PK. When week four roles around we were thinking to up the Purpinator to 15-20ml/gal and running that till we hit week 6. Once we hit week six, if things are still going well, we were going to up it to the max recommended of 30ml/gal. That just seems like a lot of PK.

Temp: 81F
RH: 55%
PPFD: ~750ish
PPM:1600
Ph: 6.0

 

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Day 17F.

All three tents are really filled out. Stretch is slowing down a bit.

Canopy is not quite as even as we wanted, but that's what happens when pretty much every plant is a different strain.

Temp: 82F
RH: 55%
PPFD: ~750ish
PPM:1600
Ph: 6.0

 

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Day 20F.

Trimmed up the tent with the IHG and Grape Gas. Big sad days. Two of the IHG Jelly Breaths Hermed. The front right one really hard. Wife chopped off all the branches, so she looks rather bare...We caught it early enough to where they were just forming. The other that hermed only had one or two ball sacks. We removed them and are planning to keep an eye on it. The one that hermed bad is still in place, and we are keeping a close eye on her, any more balls and she's gone.

Other than that things are looking great. The clone tent was trimmed a week earlier threw more leaves and filled out a bit more.

Temp: 77F
RH: 55%
PPFD: ~800ish
PPM:1600
Ph: 6.0

 

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Going to use this as a way for us to document the grow as well as seek advice as the grow goes.

Our last grow just got chopped and the new one has been cooking for a couple of weeks. Sadly I don’t have any pics from germination :/

The first picture the veg tent with some cuts from our last run. Next one is from last night. About 3 days in between the two.

What We're Running:
Grape Gas (CLTVTD Cut)
Gorilla Breath cut (Trustfall Cut)
Banana Splitz cut (Starfire Genetics, but of a plant we grew)
Lemon Cherry Gelato (Trustfall Cut)

5x In House Genetics Jelly Breath (Seeds)
3x Ethos Cookies R2 (Seeds)

I planted 5 of each. 2 of the Etho's Cookies lagged behind so I didn't include them. Tho...one is catching up pretty quickly. May add it later.

Grows going to end up in AutoPots. I have 3x Gorilla Grow 5x5's all set up the same. Each one has an HLG Scorpion Diablo with the ventilation provided by an AC Infinity T6/Carbon Filter. Each tent has 2x 3.9gal AutoPots and 2x 6.9gal APs.

They're all hooked up to the same 30Gal res.

Feed - 'The Recipe' + Microbes:
PowerSi: .6ml/gal
Jack's A: 3gr/gal
Epsom Salt: 1gr/gal
Great White: 2ml/gal
Hydroguard: 2ml/gal
Mr.Fulvic: 1ml/gal
Cal Nitrate: 2gr/gal

During transition going to add Massive @2.5ml/gal for two weeks. At week 4 or when ever the stretch ends, out goes PowerSI and Mr.Fulvic as well.

As the title says this is going to be the second time trying massive.

During our last run, someone may have over done it on the PK booster, and added some Purpinator as well as the massive. Yeah that was too much PK. No clue why I thought that would be amazing idea but it wasn't. At least with the Massive. Locked out the plants for a week during the stretch and had to flush them twice. Lesson learned. (Hopefully)

One last note, totally sold on using a live res. After trying to run a sterile res for 3 grow, never could do it again. We never had any issues other than one plant randomly offing itself, that manifested, but the res and lines would also fill with this brownish gunk. It didn't smell and didn't seem to do anything other than gum up everything. Since switching to adding microbes, the res and lines stayed almost spotless the entire run and the plants recovered super well after they were nuked with the PK. Sold me.

Easy with all the nutes maybe?? Also I take CalNit outta the mix 25% per week after stretch and add 25% per week back of Growmore Flowering CalMag (no N) to replace it. So IMO The 5-12-26 has plenty of N for the last 3 weeks as well as should be cut drastically after stretch! Call me crazy but ever since I was taught to pull N as fast as possible after stretch my end product has been incredibly better! I caution you though to make damn sure your girls are full of Calcium or don’t do anything I have said above.

 

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It could be too hot with the nutes.

It could also be the genetics. IHG is also called in herm genetics for a reason. Wouldn’t be the first time this strains hermmed on someone.

It could also be what dirt bag was alluding too with Massive causing unstable genetics to herm.

It could just also be our shitty growing.

So far no more balls. Even the one that was bad hasn’t thrown any more.

 

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F23. Everyone’s been trimmed up.

Grape gas is stacking really really well. Upped the PPFD in the tents. Most sites are sitting at 900+ PPFD. They seem to be loving it.

Temp: 80F
RH: 55%
PPFD: ~900
PPM:1600
Ph: 5.8