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To explain further I need to show you a graph. White includes blue, cyan, green, yellow and red. Blues on the other hand only include blue, and reds only include red, so with bluerple youre losing everything in between and the energy efficiency of white leds is much higher too, so white gives more umols than blue or red. That said, if you wanna have IR you need red IR chips, but not regular red chips, and for UV youre gonna need blue UV diodes, but not regular blue diodes. The best panels are a combination of warm white, cool white and UV and IR diodes, sometimes some regular reds to balance the spectrum towards flowering a bit more.
Here is what you get with blurple without UV and IR
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Here is what you get with full spectrum white LED depending on the color temperature (yours is 4000K)
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And here is what you would get with a trully full spectrum that includes UV and IR
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The wavelenght will change depending on the manufacturer but its just so you get an idea. Full spectrum quality LED panels come with warm white, cool white a few reds and UV and IR diodes. They dont use blue diodes, sometimes Ive seen cyan diodes just because cyan is the color that lacks the most to be more like the spectrum of the sun but thats a rarity to see. They only use 660nm red chips to complement the spike of blue in cool white. 740nm is IR and 440nm is UV.

Fuck! I knew I should of stayed in school. This is all confusing brah. Would the burbple light you recommended me benefit me substantially during the flower period? I’m thinking I should just get a light board like a mars hydro or a vipraspectr. I bought the xs1500 from vipraspectra but had to return it cause I didn’t even have enough cash left to even start growing.

 

[Eledin]

I mean if you plan on growing a couple of plants that would be dope. A led panel formulated specially for flowering plants (weed even if the manufacturer doesnt wanna be so specific) is gonna be way better than a cheap LED bulb, which if you start counting how many would you need to have something similar you realize you will spend more or less the same if not more and the space is not gonna be as efficiently covered as with a LED panel. Im in Europe so Im not sure how is the market over there it would be nice if someone from the USA could help you with that. You could start a new thread for that and it will probably be quicker than waiting for someone to comment here about LED panels.

 

[Eledin]

As I said I dont know how the market is there but these panels are good, I found one that is on sale now, doesnt have UV but is not that important. Warm white, cool white, red and IR. Very solid for that price for 3x3feet in veg and 2x2feet in flower.

https://www.amazon.com/Spider-Farmer-Compatible-Samsung-Spectrum/dp/B084L1Y7KR/ref=sr_1_17?crid=38OEY1CUZBUOU&keywords=ir%2Bled%2Bplants&qid=1703108154&sprefix=ir%2Bled%2Bplant%2Caps%2C177&sr=8-17&th=1

You could fit 4 plants under there in 2-4 gallons stretching it or 2 plants in 5 gallons. It has samsung diodes, thats the brand youre looking for if you want good diodes that wont cause too much heat and will give you more light per watt.

 

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As I said I dont know how the market is there but these panels are good, I found one that is on sale now, doesnt have UV but is not that important. Warm white, cool white, red and IR. Very solid for that price for 3x3feet in veg and 2x2feet in flower.

https://www.amazon.com/Spider-Farmer-Compatible-Samsung-Spectrum/dp/B084L1Y7KR/ref=sr_1_17?crid=38OEY1CUZBUOU&keywords=ir%2Bled%2Bplants&qid=1703108154&sprefix=ir%2Bled%2Bplant%2Caps%2C177&sr=8-17&th=1

You could fit 4 plants under there in 2-4 gallons stretching it or 2 plants in 5 gallons. It has samsung diodes, thats the brand youre looking for if you want good diodes that wont cause too much heat and will give you more light per watt.

yeah I’m looking at this one right now

Amazon.com

surely this will be effective during flower right? Hopefully santa blesses me this Christmas, that fat fuck. hopefully that solves my potential over fertilization problem. I’m really conflicted though I can’t see it suffering from nitrogen toxicity. Its gia green all purpose and power bloom so the plant should be able to take what’s necessary. I also didn’t even follow the application rates I purposely under fertilized when adding to my soil mix cause looking at it seemed like much.

 

[Eledin]

That one is more expensive, has less diodes and less umols (not by much) and its smaller, meaning it wont cover the area as well.
EDIT: Well the spiderfarmer is actually more expensive but its on sale.

 

[Eledin]

Forget about the ppfd chart, even tho the spiderfarmer still wins in the middle but theoretically loses on the sides. If you have a small light youre gonna have to hang it higher so it can cover the area better, makes sense right? Thats why I dont like that one being smaller. Even if it wins by ppfd at the same height if you have to pull it higher so it can cover the 2x2 feet in flower then youre losing more umols anyway.

 

[climbit]

Forget about the ppfd chart, even tho the spiderfarmer still wins in the middle but theoretically loses on the sides. If you have a small light youre gonna have to hang it higher so it can cover the area better, makes sense right? Thats why I dont like that one being smaller. Even if it wins by ppfd at the same height if you have to pull it higher so it can cover the 2x2 feet in flower then youre losing more umols anyway.

I knew I should of just spent the extra money on the light. Now I’m here this is really my only concern about my current grow. I’m not even sweating though I just gotta figure some shit out. Cause I’m also growing in my bedroom so I gotta figure out a way to hang it in my room.

 

[Eledin]

Been there man, tried to grow cheap with LED ended up buying 2 130W panels. That said the bulb you have might be enough extra light plus the light from the window to get that one plant going. What are you using for the ones in your bedroom?

 

[climbit]

Been there man, tried to grow cheap with LED ended up buying 2 130W panels. That said the bulb you have might be enough extra light plus the light from the window to get that one plant going. What are you using for the ones in your bedroom?

I’m just using the one grow light bulb I linked you. I’ve got it placed around 18-20 inches away from the light. I placed it here according to the picture I posted way back. Of course with the light from a south facing window but it’s daylight savings. So for the remaining 5 or 6 hours of the light cycle it’s just the grow light cooking.

 

[Eledin]

I think youre good if you dont mind a small yield. I wouldnt spend anything else unless its to get a panel and grow 2 or 4 plants depending on pot size. Your light is 4000K which means that it emmits a fair ammount of red already. Thats just me though and I grow in a tent, never had enough light coming through my window to keep them alive but I dont get direct sunlight, my street is all shade.

 

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I think youre good if you dont mind a small yield. I wouldnt spend anything else unless its to get a panel and grow 2 or 4 plants depending on pot size. Your light is 4000K which means that it emmits a fair ammount of red already. Thats just me though and I grow in a tent, never had enough light coming through my window to keep them alive but I dont get direct sunlight, my street is all shade.

I mean I can still cop that 80w burbple you recommended no problem But only if it’s guaranteed to increase my yield. I just can’t go buying shit Willy nilly. i heard burple lights suck I just don’t really know why. Wouldn’t just a really good red grow light help me out? Why am I so confused? This is how I get when I start overthinking shit I can’t settle down.

also in the pictures advertising the light you recommended it doesn’t show that spectrum chart I’m familiar with. So I feel like I’d just be buying it blindly you know…

 

[Eledin]

I mean I can still cop that 80w burbple you recommended no problem But only if it’s guaranteed to increase my yield. I just can’t go buying shit Willy nilly. i heard burple lights suck I just don’t really know why. Wouldn’t just a really good red grow light help me out? Why am I so confused? This is how I get when I start overthinking shit I can’t settle down.

also in the pictures advertising the light you recommended it doesn’t show that spectrum chart I’m familiar with. So I feel like I’d just be buying it blindly you know…

It gives the same information, spectrum and PPFD chart at least in my case. Im taking a second look and theyre pretty much the same just a different brand. Viparspectra might actually be slightly better (a bit less of light in the middle but more on the sides) but nothing game changing so I would go for the cheapest one if you wanna grow more than 1 plant and give them better lights. No, the 80W blurple bulb is not gonna give you gamechanging results, it will certainly help if you put another bulb and red is what you want mostly for big buds so red plus infrared makes sense but if you wanna buy one that has white, red and infrared to get the full spectrum (which blurple does not have) its gonna cost you more too, blurples are cheaper. Is it worth it? Probably not, youre gonna get a few more grams but I would save and get a decent panel. 100W (true watts, not whatever they say is equivalent to) is barely noticeable in terms of montly cost, it certainly pays for itself tenfold with the ammount of weed you can get and if you eventually get a tent you can upgrade your set up with said panel. Either adding another panel or using a net to do SCROG or both. Eventually maybe a few fans, one for intraction, one to move air inside and one for extraction (thats gonna help you manage the heat in summer and if you put a carbon filter in the extraction fan can help with the smell too but if the smell is not a problem you dont need it). When I started growing I didnt have money either so I upgraded my set up slowly and getting better yields after each improvement. My first grow gave me around 150grams which is nothing considering I was growing 9 plants in a 3x3 feet tent but hey, I saved a lot of money not buying weed and with experience and upgrades you will increase yield every year. With one of those panels, either the one you showed me or the one I showed you, you can take care of 2 plants in 5 gallon pots and with some training like toping 2 weeks prior flower and eliminating the shitty branches after the 3rd week of flower you will get around 100 grams assuming everything goes fairly well. I still have shitty LEDs around that I stoped using shortly after I bought them... waste of money. Now, its your first time, I wouldnt aim to get 100 grams even if I get that panel, experience plays a big part and of course equipment, nutrients and training too.
EDIT: Also get an analog or digital timer for your light, your plants like to follow a schedule just like humans, if the lights go off at different times every day or you forget several times to turn it off youre gonna confuse them and stress them becausse they use that information to know how deep they are into veg and flowering. They might even herm. You dont need to do it now but I would do it before bloom, theyre super cheap.

 

[Eledin]

There's so much to cover being a first timer... let me explain what is toping in case you dont know and why you wanna do it if you get the panel (otherwise dont, your bulb wont be able to handle the plant)
Toping is removing the top part of the plant, hence the name. When you top a plant it stops growing new nodes and all the branches will now be main branches. This increases the ammount of food and light the plant needs, which can be helpful if your soil is overfertilized, but the main aim is obviously to get several colas from 1 plant insted of 1 cola and secondary branches.

 

[climbit]

It gives the same information, spectrum and PPFD chart at least in my case. Im taking a second look and theyre pretty much the same just a different brand. Viparspectra might actually be slightly better (a bit less of light in the middle but more on the sides) but nothing game changing so I would go for the cheapest one if you wanna grow more than 1 plant and give them better lights. No, the 80W blurple bulb is not gonna give you gamechanging results, it will certainly help if you put another bulb and red is what you want mostly for big buds so red plus infrared makes sense but if you wanna buy one that has white, red and infrared to get the full spectrum (which blurple does not have) its gonna cost you more too, blurples are cheaper. Is it worth it? Probably not, youre gonna get a few more grams but I would save and get a decent panel. 100W (true watts, not whatever they say is equivalent to) is barely noticeable in terms of montly cost, it certainly pays for itself tenfold with the ammount of weed you can get and if you eventually get a tent you can upgrade your set up with said panel. Either adding another panel or using a net to do SCROG or both. Eventually maybe a few fans, one for intraction, one to move air inside and one for extraction (thats gonna help you manage the heat in summer and if you put a carbon filter in the extraction fan can help with the smell too but if the smell is not a problem you dont need it). When I started growing I didnt have money either so I upgraded my set up slowly and getting better yields after each improvement. My first grow gave me around 150grams which is nothing considering I was growing 9 plants in a 3x3 feet tent but hey, I saved a lot of money not buying weed and with experience and upgrades you will increase yield every year. With one of those panels, either the one you showed me or the one I showed you, you can take care of 2 plants in 5 gallon pots and with some training like toping 2 weeks prior flower and eliminating the shitty branches after the 3rd week of flower you will get around 100 grams assuming everything goes fairly well. I still have shitty LEDs around that I stoped using shortly after I bought them... waste of money. Now, its your first time, I wouldnt aim to get 100 grams even if I get that panel, experience plays a big part and of course equipment, nutrients and training too.
EDIT: Also get an analog or digital timer for your light, your plants like to follow a schedule just like humans, if the lights go off at different times every day or you forget several times to turn it off youre gonna confuse them and stress them becausse they use that information to know how deep they are into veg and flowering. They might even herm. You dont need to do it now but I would do it before bloom, theyre super cheap.

Yeah I’m just gonna cop a panel, I already know which one too, it’s perfect. Even still the light I have working in concert with the south facing window will surely sustain life just fine up until flower so I have ample time to straighten my shit out. Also since it’s my first grow I was just going to let the plant kick it naturally you know like I might LST on day 30 I might not I’m still pondering it. I’m totally against topping because I’m just not beasting to even get 100 grams. I’m also on time everyday with the light, I only let it go a few minutes more if you get what I mean. So if I turn it off @ 6:00 I‘ll turn them off like 6:03ish. If I can get 20 grams or more I’m considering that a fucking win regardless of what anyone says. Plus at this stage of my growing career I’m more focused on keeping the plant happy and healthy then I can start getting tech . I’ve learned that in pretty much anything I commit my self to starting smaller and slower is best and of course progressing as I go.

 

[Eledin]

Hell yeah! Amen to that. You will get more than 20 grams for sure with a decent panel. Toping will eventually become vital in your grows but I understand that you dont wanna start doing it all. My first grow I didnt even dare to remove the shitty branches that gave me popcorn buds because I was in fear that I could mess them up, with time as you get more confident and you need to worry about less things because they come automatically to you, or you already tried them succesfully, you will start developing your own technique based in the currently existing ones, maybe with your own twist. Its fun to experiment with nutrients, or ammend the soil, or just watching them grow. There's so many things ahead for you to discover and plan and have fun doing it and enjoying the rewards. You will get to a point where you realize that your weed is better than most shit out there, specially as you learn and create your method.

 

[climbit]

Day 1 of week 2

Plant seems to be progressing very nicely! Some slight concerns regarding my light sources which required I substitute an additional grow light bulb. So with the two working in concert I’m now pulling a whopping 40 watts from the wall Just ordered vipraspectra p1000 light panel, timer included and one extra fan to use during flower and dry. Everything so far so good can’t wait till I get my stuff ina male.

 

[Eledin]

Day 1 of week 2

Plant seems to be progressing very nicely! Some slight concerns regarding my light sources which required I substitute an additional grow light bulb. So with the two working in concert I’m now pulling a whopping 40 watts from the wall Just ordered vipraspectra p1000 light panel, timer included and one extra fan to use during flower and dry. Everything so far so good can’t wait till I get my stuff ina male.

She looks very healthy! She should do fine with that light until the panel comes, she is smol still.

 

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She looks very healthy! She should do fine with that light until the panel comes, she is smol still.

 

[climbit]

Day 1 of week 3

Slowly but surely. I estimate, in my inexperienced opinion, she will begin flower on week 4 or 5 maybe.

Can’t wait!

 

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Day 1 of week 4!!

Around day 2, 3 or 4 of week 3, I honestly forget, she started throwing pistils!!! Really excited. I reloaded on microbes around day 4 of week 3, seems to be responding quite well. she’s been growing real nicely.

I’m still struggling to reconcile the “fact”, it seems, that ocean forest is considered a hot soil. Maybe because this strain is considered a very easy strain to cultivate, which could be why I didn’t run into problems? Which could also mean it’s really resistant/resilient? I’m not sure.

At any rate, I plan on top dressing with Gia greens power bloom (2-8-4) and Dr. Verm’s worm cast in week 5 around say, day 30-32?
Or should I perhaps do it during the current week 4?

I appreciate any and all responses, I plan on taking this all the way to the finish line with an A fucking + !