Septoria, deficiency, neither, I don’t know?

[Bdubs]

Don’t get technical dude. This plant is going to be fine. Don’t mess with it. Stay consistent.

DARK green leafs and glossy is nitrogen deficiency. Aqua blue hue is progressive N toxicity.

You are solid!

Toxicity.

 

[Bdubs]

If you have doubts or see the tips burn progress lower PPM a bit by lowering the measurements a hair. As for cal mag, just put 1ml per gallon in your mix all grow. You wont hurt a damn thing. It will increase your rates given what you have going on. As how often to mix in your feed, I do every time because I am hydro, soil, maybe the Capt can tell you.

 

[Rama777]

Sheesh, I don’t what the hell I would do without you guys! I can’t wait to be confident so I can help new grower’s out myself!

Sorry for being so dramatic. Scary seeing new, in your face symptoms without knowing what it is!

So these big 7 gallon pots are definitely intimidating with the organic concept of keeping the soil moist. Hard to say what’s happening at the bottom layer but so far until now I have not seen them show signs of drooping from either over or under watering so I’ve been feeling pretty okay about my amounts so far.

Before I water this girl in a minute, this droopiness on the one branch and inward folding leaf is from overfeeding, and more or less not a result of potential over or under watering?

 

[Bdubs]

The tacoing is from light intensity. The drooping is most likely from needing be let go a tiny longer before feed.

 

[Bdubs]

your PPM is 350? Do you plan to push flower at 350?

 

[Rama777]

My ppm is 350 with my RO water after adding a teaspoon of Calmag. Then with nutes I brought it up to 800 the last time I fed her.

I’ll mention too that I didn’t feed this plant on the last watering. I won’t feed her on this round tonight either. Does concern me that this has progressed to this point even though she hasn’t been fed anything aside from 350ppm with RO and Calmag for 7 days now. But I’ll just have to take it from here and try to do what’s best for them..

 

[Rama777]

Basically in other words she has not been given any nutes for 7 days now.

 

[Captspaulding]

Sheesh, I don’t what the hell I would do without you guys! I can’t wait to be confident so I can help new grower’s out myself!

Sorry for being so dramatic. Scary seeing new, in your face symptoms without knowing what it is!

So these big 7 gallon pots are definitely intimidating with the organic concept of keeping the soil moist. Hard to say what’s happening at the bottom layer but so far until now I have not seen them show signs of drooping from either over or under watering so I’ve been feeling pretty okay about my amounts so far.

Before I water this girl in a minute, this droopiness on the one branch and inward folding leaf is from overfeeding, and more or less not a result of potential over or under watering?

If you have doubts or see the tips burn progress lower PPM a bit by lowering the measurements a hair. As for cal mag, just put 1ml per gallon in your mix all grow. You wont hurt a damn thing. It will increase your rates given what you have going on. As how often to mix in your feed, I do every time because I am hydro, soil, maybe the Capt can tell you.

I feed on every 4th day all the way through seedling veg and into beginning of flower. Then it becomes a game of keeping up with plant demand. In flower beginning of week 7 for instance, I’m feeding every other day. They are going through really nice fast feed and dryouts. But this can always shift a bit depending on conditions, cultivar, pot size ect.

 

[Rama777]

Currently I’ve been giving them anywhere between 5-7% of their pot volume in water every 4 days. Today marks the first time since transplant that it will only be 3 days since the last water given.

So between 45-65 ounces of water.

Based on these symptoms I am making the right move to give them zero nutrients for now yeah?

 

[Bdubs]

It wont hurt then to give them nutrients every feed.

 

[Captspaulding]

Currently I’ve been giving them anywhere between 5-7% of their pot volume in water every 4 days. Today marks the first time since transplant that it will only be 3 days since the last water given.

So between 45-65 ounces of water.

Based on these symptoms I am making the right move to give them zero nutrients for now yeah?

Either that, or two/three feeds at 1/3 strength of your normal dose. I would suggest cutting the dose, because it’s a double edged sword, there are other nutrients that your plants want besides just n right? So basically I would do that, a slight n surplus is no real reason to shake things up too much. Cut the dose, and carry on.

 

[Captspaulding]

Either that, or two/three feeds at 1/3 strength of your normal dose. I would suggest cutting the dose, because it’s a double edged sword, there are other nutrients that your plants want besides just n right? So basically I would do that, a slight n surplus is no real reason to shake things up too much. Cut the dose, and carry on.

Especially if you have a tendency to water to run off. Just water, you could be washing other nutes available in the medium right past the root zone. Low dose is better here.

 

[Captspaulding]

Also, this all kinda depends on when you flip too, day 21 of flower your plants will shift gears, so within that time constraint make the appropriate adjustments. You are a killer fundamental grower. You get the gist.

 

[Rama777]

Eye eye captain. Well again with the soil and nutrients I’m using, the idea is to never let the pot totally dry out and to also never saturate it. Kind of annoying really but that’s the newfangled organic thing that I happen to be running with for this grow. My goal is to keep the soil somewhere between 30-70% saturation. Take care of the microbes and whatnot. I’ve never watered these pots to runoff and don’t intend to unless I get into a situation that calls for flushing.

 

[Bdubs]

Especially if you have a tendency to water to run off. Just water, you could be washing other nutes available in the medium right past the root zone. Low dose is better here.

I like that. If you hammer down exact watering without runoff..and that takes skill and experience to know exactly how much to feed for that. You may begin to feel for her eating habits and give full ppm every feed. But that takes a good green thumb to know how to feed every time and have no runoff with no issues.

 

[Captspaulding]

Eye eye captain. Well again with the soil and nutrients I’m using, the idea is to never let the pot totally dry out and to also never saturate it. Kind of annoying really but that’s the newfangled organic thing that I happen to be running with for this grow. My goal is to keep the soil somewhere between 30-70% saturation. Take care of the microbes and whatnot. I’ve never watered these pots to runoff and don’t intend to unless I get into a situation that calls for flushing.

Yeah it’s a tight rope you have to walk. And I agree, unless you have alkaline, acidic, or toxicity, flushing is just a no go in soil regardless. But in case of emergency, break glass. In this case, you are gravy imo.

 

[Captspaulding]

Eye eye captain. Well again with the soil and nutrients I’m using, the idea is to never let the pot totally dry out and to also never saturate it. Kind of annoying really but that’s the newfangled organic thing that I happen to be running with for this grow. My goal is to keep the soil somewhere between 30-70% saturation. Take care of the microbes and whatnot. I’ve never watered these pots to runoff and don’t intend to unless I get into a situation that calls for flushing.

Yes, but at the same time, you can maintain that moisture baseline and be nowhere near over saturation or hydrophobic. It’s def a bitch but you asked for it! You master the watering game, you’ll be killing it.

 

[Rama777]

I think I’ll get the hang of it by the end of this grow! Oh that gives me an idea actually. I’m flipping in probably 2-3 days, maaaaybe 4 days. Perhaps instead of water only, I should switch from my 10-3-8 to the 5-5-12 that I’ll be using through the first half of flower? This will be the last watering before flip, so that’s a thing to consider.

Or I could use equal parts both nutrient mixes to round those numbers out as a one time hybrid feed.

 

[Captspaulding]

I like that. If you hammer down exact watering without runoff..and that takes skill and experience to know exactly how much to feed for that. You may begin to feel for her eating habits and give full ppm every feed. But that takes a good green thumb to know how to feed every time and have no runoff with no issues.

Hey, fyi, I appreciate you chiming in, got my brain sparking a bit better with your input.

 

[Captspaulding]

I think I’ll get the hang of it by the end of this grow! Oh that gives me an idea actually. I’m flipping in probably 2-3 days, maaaaybe 4 days. Perhaps instead of water only, I should switch from my 10-3-8 to the 5-5-12 that I’ll be using through the first half of flower? This will be the last watering before flip, so that’s a thing to consider.

Or I could use equal parts both nutrient mixes to round those numbers out as a one time hybrid feed.

That’s an ok idea, maybe a 3rd of your grow nutes tho, in with a half feed of the bloom, I like that, you will be preloading the soil with a bit of that p and k, while the plant transitions to preflower, then, it will already have what it needs by the time you swing into full bloom. Good thinking.