Migrower
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A couple thoughts:
1) first off, the beginning of this discussion is about an outdoor grow. So indoors is kinda tangential. My comments are in light of outdoor growth.
2) healthy pot grows really vigorously. It's pretty easy for it to get eight feet tall in four months. When it gets to a certain size, it seems to accelerate. If you didn't have a control plant when you pruned, you have no way of knowing whether the growth you experienced was simply that normal acceleration.
I live in the Pacific Northwest. There are literally 100's of acres of legal commercially grown weed here now. The outdoor guys doing it in large scale are not defoliating.I had plants that I did not do it too and those where four or five of the plants I decided to put outdoors and not flower in my little indoor area as I only wanted to keep my best five. I’ve read forums and threads on people’s opinion. I guess I could look to see if actual controlled research has been done. I can only speak for what I have seen in my own plants and my own experience. As so it should be. I guess I’ll be doing a bit of further research on it myself.
I disagree. Science is absolutely relevant and quite available. Much of the chatter about flushing and nutrient use is directly contradicted by well established research and knowledge about nutrient transport pathways. I published a link to a paper that measured the effects of flushing (none) here, which was widely dismissed by the 'organic' experts. It's nonetheless valid, and consistent with the published research on plant metabolism. Search on VPD here if you're interested.And science doesn’t support most cannabis theories because controlled government testing(which would be presented to us as”scientific evidence “ hasn’t been done. Or more so if it has ,has not been published for general populations. Most knowledge you acquire about this plant will come from either first hand knowledge i.e. yourself or second hand from growing forums,acquaintances,or friends who grow. So it’s hard to find scientifically backed evidence. Besides science changes as time changes. It’s not permanent. And I in no way intend to be argumentative or negative in anyway. On the contrary this should be about expanding ones knowledge.
I live in the Pacific Northwest. There are literally 100's of acres of legal commercially grown weed here now. The outdoor guys doing it in large scale are not defoliating.
To your point, you took your best plants, defoliated them, and compared them to worse plants that you didn't. That's hardly a controlled experiment.
I have two girl scout cookies going right now that are pretty close in size. I'll run the experiment.
People's opinions on these forums and Facebook are not useful, in my experience. Popularity doesn't equal fact. Witness the thousands of growers that are convinced that they can taste the difference between 'organic' nitrogen and 'chemical' nitrogen, or that believe that flushing removes nutes from a plant.
I quoted you. Not sure how that's putting words in your mouth.Dude, you have to stop putting words on my mouth. You have a nasty habit of pretending I said things I didn't then goi g on a long screed about it. Lol
I quoted you. Not sure how that's putting words in your mouth.
Why not get two cuttings from the same plant, try both methods. Why rely on what someone has said, experiment for yourself? I have done this myself, different light and environment, always indoors, different lights. I might add, that plants outside grow a lot better, so that may skew results.Lol go back and read what you wrote. I never said any of the things you think I said. Anyways I'm not much for argument, I accept what the research says. You may very well be right. But all peer reviewed data I've seen supports pruning increasing yield and plant size.
If you want to convince me they are all wrong, I can't just take your word for it. I need evidence.
Why not get two cuttings from the same plant, try both methods. Why rely on what someone has said, experiment for yourself? I have done this myself, different light and environment, always indoors, different lights. I might add, that plants outside grow a lot better, so that may skew results.
Who are the professionals? We all know that the data on the internet are obscure, pointless, and often times advertising gimmicks that are not even based on actual science. I find it interesting that point out doing a test and saying it would be "pointless", how do you think science is done, by a bunch of guys and gals in an underground bunker wearing white lab coats? Science is done by those without funding from some corporate sponsor who tells you what results to focus on. I believe Migrower even pointed out that most experiments are done in controlled environments, to add to that, most times, the results are skewed for continued funding from said sponsor. So what would be a credible person? Well, I think anyone that would do the experiment and produce results could/would/should be considered credible. You want to learn to grow, pay attention to how tomatoes are grown, or better yet go to burpee, good info there, maybe just consider that cannabis is a plant under the same rules as any other plant.Even if I did. The results would be nothing more than personal testament. Without hundreds of attempts and peer reviewed data logging my results would be useless.
Other more credable people have already done the experiments written and published scientific peer reviewed papers. Every one I've seen supports exactly what we've all been told. Pruning supports better plant growth and yields.
No need to do a pointless test on my own. They've already been done by professionals.
Migrower, who do you think perpetuates these myths about growing? Most not all, cannabis sites will tell you that pruning is a wonderful idea, they are wrong, try out the experiment, you were in college, you do know how to set up an experiment? You also know how to be objective? Weed sites are not accurate when it comes to gardening, at times I find flaws even at gardening sites, their information is much more on par compared to cannabis sites. Tell me, what would you do if after pruning your plant it catches a virus of some sort? Better yet, it looked healthy so you cut off a bunch of bottom leaves, branches, ect. , and now the top leaves are turning yellow and dying? Truth be told, you seem intelligent, yet, like most of us, have been suckered in by big corporate advertising/propaganda tactics.Two more articles. It’s hard to find any that say not pruning increases yields.View attachment 880104View attachment 880105
Who are the professionals? We all know that the data on the internet are obscure, pointless, and often times advertising gimmicks that are not even based on actual science. I find it interesting that point out doing a test and saying it would be "pointless", how do you think science is done, by a bunch of guys and gals in an underground bunker wearing white lab coats? Science is done by those without funding from some corporate sponsor who tells you what results to focus on. I believe Migrower even pointed out that most experiments are done in controlled environments, to add to that, most times, the results are skewed for continued funding from said sponsor. So what would be a credible person? Well, I think anyone that would do the experiment and produce results could/would/should be considered credible. You want to learn to grow, pay attention to how tomatoes are grown, or better yet go to burpee, good info there, maybe just consider that cannabis is a plant under the same rules as any other plant.
Migrower, who do you think perpetuates these myths about growing? Most not all, cannabis sites will tell you that pruning is a wonderful idea, they are wrong, try out the experiment, you were in college, you do know how to set up an experiment? You also know how to be objective? Weed sites are not accurate when it comes to gardening, at times I find flaws even at gardening sites, their information is much more on par compared to cannabis sites. Tell me, what would you do if after pruning your plant it catches a virus of some sort? Better yet, it looked healthy so you cut off a bunch of bottom leaves, branches, ect. , and now the top leaves are turning yellow and dying? Truth be told, you seem intelligent, yet, like most of us, have been suckered in by big corporate advertising/propaganda tactics.
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