Surviving the 2022 super flooded market.

Masonsdad15 · Feb 15, 2022

This year has been one of the hardest years to stay lucrative. With more states becoming legal and ambitious new industrial growers now producing large amounts of light dep product, that's flooding the market, making even the lowest of distributors become total product snobs, how can we stay alive? The answer is, small craft grows with unique cultivars ahead of the trend, flawless product, and low overhead. We are In the second great dying off of certain parts of the market. Those that survive 2022 will have a open market for a short time before the next great dying off occurs. It's time to get serious, get smart and get fully legal. Finish your paperwork and pay your fees cause the old way is not going to be around for much longer. Thanks to all the yahoo's for example in oaklahoma producing tens of thousands of pounds of mostly just passable light dep product, but regardless of its quality it's tanking prices across the country. Is it just me or does everyone and thier mother have a friend that needs help. People getting desperate and lowering prices of thier product just to barely stay afloat. Well all those large projects with high overhead I predict will not be here in the coming months. As thier products pile up and start to deteriorate and thier bills keep coming and they keep going further and further into debt, just lowering the price isn't going to save them in the end. There is hope though for the small craft projects, producing quality products that eventually people will be very tired of all this light dep boo boo and will want to return to the premium products. How are yall surviving and what have you witnessed or experienced this last year going into 2022?

GoblinSmasher · Feb 15, 2022

Its an interesting point you make. On one side i can see its healthy with competition.

I also heard that trim and shake is sold to make edibles. If thats the goal then flower quality can be lower as is my understanding.

It depends what the goal is, but I suspect this was not what you aimed for in your thread.

Are you refering to genes being lost ?

In a hybrid slurry?

And how people get by with high prices?

Masonsdad15 · Feb 15, 2022

GoblinSmasher said:
Its an interesting point you make. On one side i can see its healthy with competition.

I also heard that trim and shake is sold to make edibles. If thats the goal then flower quality can be lower as is my understanding.

It depends what the goal is, but I suspect this was not what you aimed for in your thread.

Are you refering to genes being lost ?

In a hybrid slurry?

And how people get by with high prices?

No sir. I was vague because I don't know the rules on here yet but I'm talking about a simple economic principal of supply and demand at work here. High supply with not enough demand tanks the value of a product. Where on the other hand low supply and high demand raises the value of a product. Now with that in mind re read my post. I don't want to outright say it. So please excuse me for continuing to be vague. Projects are farms. Products are what they grow.

Grapefruitroop · Feb 15, 2022

I think its done....the way we experienced in the hills its pretty much gone forever, now that the big investors are in the game.
Thats whats up with legalization...with times eventually the value goes down to the point that is worth make aliving off it only if you are a big corp farm...
Think about tobacco....is there any competitive grower that is still alive?
To dont talk about the all the fun that is gone... The new people in the game a mostly lame businness man...i dont like that crowd i dont like to be part of em
Legal weed its the new lottery for the state....they set the rules...and like the Casino, they always win!

Masonsdad15 said:
how can we stay alive?

I know people that were asking that question to themselves about 10 years ago !! The best move did a fried o mine was get busy as hell for few years sell the property....
Im really not a fan of overcommercialization of weed...all this products and stuff....disposable vapes....fancy candies...
I love weed and i always keep growin for myself...

Chem77 · Feb 15, 2022

Year 30 for me and I’m not going anywhere anytime soon, it’s who I am! Pretty much the same here in Michigan, you better have top notch. If your main strain don’t have a wow factor, it ain’t going nowhere.
I’m no commercial grower, just a home grower that’s allowed 12 plants, I bud 9 and keep 3 mothers.

DarkCoast · Feb 15, 2022

Grapefruitroop said:
I think its done....the way we experienced in the hills its pretty much gone forever, now that the big investors are in the game.
Thats whats up with legalization...with times eventually the value goes down to the point that is worth make aliving off it only if you are a big corp farm...
Think about tobacco....is there any competitive grower that is still alive?
To dont talk about the all the fun that is gone... The new people in the game a mostly lame businness man...i dont like that crowd i dont like to be part of em
Legal weed its the new lottery for the state....they set the rules...and like the Casino, they always win!

Disagree. I'd compare it more to alcohol, where there are different qualities. This mass produced light dep bud is good but not the best weed out there. If you grow the best top shelf indoor weed there is then you will always have a market.

amp244 · Feb 15, 2022

The flood hit hard this year.

It's funny because a large percentage of what is flooding the market is white market stuff that is being written off for mold and going out the back door.

The indoor may be superior to the mass produced light dep, but when the difference is so great in price, most people will settle on the cheaper stuff.

But indoor has always had no limit to what it can sell for. Snobs in D.C. will pay over 6k for bougie packs if they are branded and have a website and a large following.

Masonsdad15 · Feb 15, 2022

Grapefruitroop said:
I think its done....the way we experienced in the hills its pretty much gone forever, now that the big investors are in the game.
Thats whats up with legalization...with times eventually the value goes down to the point that is worth make aliving off it only if you are a big corp farm...
Think about tobacco....is there any competitive grower that is still alive?
To dont talk about the all the fun that is gone... The new people in the game a mostly lame businness man...i dont like that crowd i dont like to be part of em
Legal weed its the new lottery for the state....they set the rules...and like the Casino, they always win!

I know people that were asking that question to themselves about 10 years ago !! The best move did a fried o mine was get busy as hell for few years sell the property....
Im really not a fan of overcommercialization of weed...all this products and stuff....disposable vapes....fancy candies...
I love weed and i always keep growin for myself...

Yeah that's true there is a time limit on the old ways. But possibly like I mentioned small craft grows with original branded cultivars. That's the best shot we got.

Masonsdad15 · Feb 15, 2022

DarkCoast said:
Disagree. I'd compare it more to alcohol, where there are different qualities. This mass produced light dep bud is good but not the best weed out there. If you grow the best top shelf indoor weed there is then you will always have a market.

That's also true. People always come back after they get over they pretty stuff that doesn't get them high.

Masonsdad15 · Feb 15, 2022

amp244 said:
The flood hit hard this year.

It's funny because a large percentage of what is flooding the market is white market stuff that is being written off for mold and going out the back door.

The indoor may be superior to the mass produced light dep, but when the difference is so great in price, most people will settle on the cheaper stuff.

But indoor has always had no limit to what it can sell for. Snobs in D.C. will pay over 6k for bougie packs if they are branded and have a website and a large following.

Yeah with some proper branding and a whole lot of hype you can find a nitch market to make those high margins I know a few peeps doing just that and killing it. Stuff that's all organic, 20 day flushes and never been touched by human hands. Not a great pic but this is his product. Getting 4k a unit . While the local market is getting 1300.

Pushrod Monkey · Feb 15, 2022

How do craft brewers stay alive surrounded by Budweiser and Coors? By offering beers crafted with more care and better ingredients. Connoisseur if you will. Craft beer. Of course they have the advantage in advertising since it’s legal everywhere and cannabis is not.

Moshmen · Feb 15, 2022

Grapefruitroop said:
I think its done....the way we experienced in the hills its pretty much gone forever, now that the big investors are in the game.
Thats whats up with legalization...with times eventually the value goes down to the point that is worth make aliving off it only if you are a big corp farm...
Think about tobacco....is there any competitive grower that is still alive?
To dont talk about the all the fun that is gone... The new people in the game a mostly lame businness man...i dont like that crowd i dont like to be part of em
Legal weed its the new lottery for the state....they set the rules...and like the Casino, they always win!

I know people that were asking that question to themselves about 10 years ago !! The best move did a fried o mine was get busy as hell for few years sell the property....
Im really not a fan of overcommercialization of weed...all this products and stuff....disposable vapes....fancy candies...
I love weed and i always keep growin for myself...

Think beer and IPA’s

Moshmen · Feb 15, 2022

Pushrod Monkey said:
How do craft brewers stay alive surrounded by Budweiser and Coors? By offering beers crafted with more care and better ingredients. Connoisseur if you will. Craft beer. Of course they have the advantage in advertising since it’s legal everywhere and cannabis is not.

Oops should have read the rest of thread ! Lol

GrowHobo · Feb 15, 2022

I’m at the point where profits gone so I’ve just started teaching anyone who wants to learn I don’t care if I’ve shot my self in the foot at least some car dealer who just got in the game to make a mil isn’t going to be taking advantage of them. F it all

Pushrod Monkey · Feb 15, 2022

If you’re bringing the fire you’ll have customers. Legal retail bud pretty much sucks. Especially when it comes to taste.

lvstealth · Feb 15, 2022

it will never, or maybe right after that, be legal here. i dont sell, i just keep up with my habit, but im willing to increase my habit to keep up with my grow!

amp244 · Feb 15, 2022

Yea focus on what isn't suitable for large commercial growers.

Think long-term hazes and sativas that are killer smoke, but don't get pumped out because they take so long.

Going organic is another niche to occupy, but people don't usually bite on that unless it's certified.

Pushrod Monkey · Feb 15, 2022

lvstealth said:
it will never, or maybe right after that, be legal here. i dont sell, i just keep up with my habit, but im willing to increase my habit to keep up with my grow!

You in Texass?

Petrochemical · Feb 15, 2022

I'd rather eat it then smoke it

rDWCNoob · Feb 15, 2022

Masonsdad15 said:
This year has been one of the hardest years to stay lucrative. With more states becoming legal and ambitious new industrial growers now producing large amounts of light dep product, that's flooding the market, making even the lowest of distributors become total product snobs, how can we stay alive? The answer is, small craft grows with unique cultivars ahead of the trend, flawless product, and low overhead. We are In the second great dying off of certain parts of the market. Those that survive 2022 will have a open market for a short time before the next great dying off occurs. It's time to get serious, get smart and get fully legal. Finish your paperwork and pay your fees cause the old way is not going to be around for much longer. Thanks to all the yahoo's for example in oaklahoma producing tens of thousands of pounds of mostly just passable light dep product, but regardless of its quality it's tanking prices across the country. Is it just me or does everyone and thier mother have a friend that needs help. People getting desperate and lowering prices of thier product just to barely stay afloat. Well all those large projects with high overhead I predict will not be here in the coming months. As thier products pile up and start to deteriorate and thier bills keep coming and they keep going further and further into debt, just lowering the price isn't going to save them in the end. There is hope though for the small craft projects, producing quality products that eventually people will be very tired of all this light dep boo boo and will want to return to the premium products. How are yall surviving and what have you witnessed or experienced this last year going into 2022?

I think we've seen the same here in Canada. The only ones surviving are the big farms, everyone else is struggling and because of the sheer quantity that the big farms are producing, its hard to sell all of your product. "Micro" grows as defined by Health Canada (200m2 canopy) are still million dollar or more startups and with the limited canopy, they just dont make sense. Small craft growers just dont really exist or they are struggling here, as are some of the big boys. My solution? Put them all out of business by growing my own. Which isnt really a solution for commercial growers, it amplifies the problem and Im ok with that. Canada created a legal market where only the big boys can survive and small operations cant even get started commercially without some serious capital. So, fuck em. Ill grow my own and never buy commercial weed again :)

Surviving the 2022 super flooded market.

Surviving the 2022 super flooded market.

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Pushrod Monkey

Moshmen

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lvstealth

amp244

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Petrochemical

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