I don't really get it, everyone and their mother rides these "breeders" to makes the latest and greatest clone only strain available in seed form then go off when something herms. The fact of the matter is the seed market is huge and there are tons on tried and true genetics out there that won't herm if you slap it with a brick everyday at lights on. For everyone to believe that even 40% of these seed makers are real breeders is just comical and stupid on their part, what all of the sudden everyone graduated with a masters in plant science? No, it's just that everyone wants to believe they are buying the best gear. a clone only is a clone ONLY, unless you get a cut from it your gonna have to take a risk trying to find something close from seeds that are not stable. We all know that NONE of the latest and greatest strains are worked at all, it takes years to work something... If I want the latest and greatest girl scout X alter boy cookies (1) I know the line is weak because it's too new (2) does the person have the real cut (3) cross fingers and hope I get something close to the original (4) if you find balls yell Ahala Akbar , chop that none believers top off and keep it movin'...the more demand and value people put on these stupid clone only finds the more the market is gonna be filled with bad genetics and people trying to get rich...and I'm not saying sin city, just in general. so really your helping to create the monster that's screwing you.