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Ya I'll be running full 100% on this new lamp so I'm hoping for them to be nice & tight through out. I've got the shit now and I don't use that much at a time. Gh recommends up to 3 tsp of bloom per/gal during flower I only use 2 and add the kool bloom I don't know if it helps but I believe the last grow I used it had tighter buds than the grow I didn't use it at all. There may be many factors that play into making tight buds in one grow and not so great in another and I can't say 100% that Kool Bloom is responsible or not. What I'm getting out of this is that less is better than more.I'm not going to be telling you to cut back on phosphorus. I'm only going to suggest how I used it to get great results
I don't know anything about koolbloom but I know it's not necessary if you're trying to save a couple bucks.
The big factor I've seen is light intensity; eg: when I run my 1000watt HPS at 600w there's a noticeable difference in density
I just read a piece on that and you're talking the lucas formula, chemcris linked me to this
http://www.angelfire.com/cantina/fourtwenty/articles/profiles.htm
I've always done all 3 grow micro bloom in small doses gradually increasing to the recommended numbers 1tsp-1tsp-1tsp/gal and I stay there until I'm going to flip them. Then I double up the bloom to 10 mil/gal and add the Kool Bloom starting at 2.5 then moving it up gradually to 10 mil /gal until week 7 where i ween them back to 5mil each/gal then week 7.5 drop them all and water only til they're done.
Then I come here and see the plants and different methods of growing, I want to take the best and leave the rest of the information behind so as not to clutter my grey matter anymore than it all ready is. I have lots of small pieces of info lodge in my head and that gets me in trouble when I think I know something I don't.
Ya I'll be running full 100% on this new lamp so I'm hoping for them to be nice & tight through out. I've got the shit now and I don't use that much at a time. Gh recommends up to 3 tsp of bloom per/gal during flower I only use 2 and add the kool bloom I don't know if it helps but I believe the last grow I used it had tighter buds than the grow I didn't use it at all. There may be many factors that play into making tight buds in one grow and not so great in another and I can't say 100% that Kool Bloom is responsible or not. What I'm getting out of this is that less is better than more.
Well, that's what I've been doing, almost I'm just going 1-1-1 = 5/5/5 in Canadian lol I just upped it into flower to 1-1-2 + 1 Kool Bloom and its 0-10-10 so it doesn't overload the phosphorus if I only add 1 and not 2tsp micro as the formula above recommends during flower. I thought the nitrogen was supposed to be cut back as well to control the stretch and that they don't need as much nitrogen in the flowering stage.( but again brain cells may be corrupted and may need a reboot)View attachment 909131
What I did was use the 1-1-1 all through veg
As soon as they went into 12 / 12 I used 2-2-2 for approximately one month
Then for the last half of Bloom I used 1-2-3
(Gro/Micro/Bloom)
Easy peasy! Not being one to try to reinvent the wheel I go by the premise that the chemist and scientist at GH have already done the hard work for me. I never changed it for 3 years and I had great success with the GH product, occasionally I would add some Calimagic if a plant seem to be lacking but that's all I've ever added to this regimen, good luck!
I know you're thinking about phosphorus now, but like I said I'm not trying to reinvent the wheel and I don't feel phosphorus causes an issue, but you seem to be in mindset to prove it for yourself so let us know what you find outWell, that's what I've been doing, almost I'm just going 1-1-1 = 5/5/5 in Canadian lol I just upped it into flower to 1-1-2 + 1 Kool Bloom and its 0-10-10 so it doesn't overload the phosphorus if I only add 1 and not 2tsp micro as the formula above recommends during flower. I thought the nitrogen was supposed to be cut back as well to control the stretch and that they don't need as much nitrogen in the flowering stage.( but again brain cells may be corrupted and may need a reboot)
If I follow their instructions exactly I over feed my plants & go through to nutes too quickly so I cut back and other than the low ph issue they've done fine. I was only thinking of trying to replicate Dirtbags results but that obviously isn't going to work now. It just scrambled my brain cells and caused confusion. I read about the lucas formula and cutting out micro all together that would save a couple bucks a month if nothing else.
UPDATE:So today the whole veg tent went back to my ole faithful Schultz 20-20-20 +cal/mag at 400 PPM, this stuff grew some delicious tomatoes this summer
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I'm still using Masterblend at 870 PPM In Bloom, however the veg plants that went into bloom this morning are going to possibly be fed the Schultz at 800 PPM (including cal-mag) for maybe 1st month or so, I'm not sure yetbut they'll be fed at lights-on tonight so I'll decide by then
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And so we continue on in my bold adventure to get my light off the ceiling!
Just a question for my own knowledge. Did you use a rooting hormone?UPDATE:
So these were fed either the night before or the day they went into bloom last Wednesday. I haven't watered them since! my temperatures are 66° dark 72 light and I know they're making Roots now but still?
I've even added a lizard heater of 75watts but I think I might have to add a second one to get the temps up to get some growth going
Still battling to get clones! I bleached and soaked the hell out of everything involved in the bubble cloner and I'm going back to that next set. I don't know what went wrong with it all at once but I'm not killing it with this tray & done either?
I've gotten a few out of it but I don't know why I go through periods where I'll get a hundred percent from either the tray or the bubble cloner and then all of a sudden it will just stop: and nothings changed?? That's the maddening part! kinda freaks me out (& pisses me off too) it's not like I need clones right now but I want to get rid of some mother plants that are overgrown, so hoping to get this mystery fixed soon
are you having temp fluctuations?UPDATE:
So these were fed either the night before or the day they went into bloom last Wednesday. I haven't watered them since! my temperatures are 66° dark 72 light and I know they're making Roots now but still?
I've even added a lizard heater of 75watts but I think I might have to add a second one to get the temps up to get some growth going
Still battling to get clones! I bleached and soaked the hell out of everything involved in the bubble cloner and I'm going back to that next set. I don't know what went wrong with it all at once but I'm not killing it with this tray & done either?
I've gotten a few out of it but I don't know why I go through periods where I'll get a hundred percent from either the tray or the bubble cloner and then all of a sudden it will just stop: and nothings changed?? That's the maddening part! kinda freaks me out (& pisses me off too) it's not like I need clones right now but I want to get rid of some mother plants that are overgrown, so hoping to get this mystery fixed soon
Just a question for my own knowledge. Did you use a rooting hormone?
No she's locked at 80° with a inkbird and heating matare you having temp fluctuations?
Interesting I have been thinking lately about the rooting hormone and how it may affect top growth. Plants like people regulate hormones or at least hormones are affected by environmental factors. It only makes sense that using rooting hormone will slow top growth. Im thinking it could be more detrimental than good in the long run in terms of growth. Yes you get more roots faster but that equals less top growth and how long does it actually take the plant to shift hormones back when rooting hormone is still in the media. Also root to shoot ratio I'm sure also plays a role in fast healthy growth. How long before it's exhausted and the plant begins normal growth? I know @MIMedGrower has some opinions on using it also.Yes I tried it with clonex and with white rooting powder but had the same issue both times
Edit: this time in the bubble cloner I'm not using any hormone
No she's locked at 80° with a inkbird and heating mat
took the Dome off today I'm wondering if just opening the vents fully isn't enough after four or five days
I'll give it the rest of the week and then will get the bubble cloner going one way or the other
May well be an era I'm making but for the life of me I have no idea what it is?? I didn't change anything from the run before when I got 100%?? Believe me I'm searching, I even tried the root riots in the tray and Dome to see if anything would happen?! I got two or three out of that whole tray although I haven't given up on them yetInteresting I have been thinking lately about the rooting hormone and how it may affect top growth. Plants like people regulate hormones or at least hormones are affected by environmental factors. It only makes sense that using rooting hormone will slow top growth. Im thinking it could be more detrimental than good in the long run in terms of growth. Yes you get more roots faster but that equals less top growth and how long does it actually take the plant to shift hormones back when rooting hormone is still in the media. Also root to shoot ratio I'm sure also plays a role in fast healthy growth. How long before it's exhausted and the plant begins normal growth? I know @MIMedGrower has some opinions on using it also.
Tldr: I'm starting to think using a rooting hormone is not only not needed but could cause more negative effects than positive. They only benefit I can see to using it is if you are having trouble actually getting the clones to survive. Even then I would say grower error.
Depends on the h2o2 strength. 29% I think is 1ml per gal. But in terms of the dome I feel they are a must until ya get rootsMay well be an era I'm making but for the life of me I have no idea what it is?? I didn't change anything from the run before when I got 100%?? Believe me I'm searching, I even tried the root riots in the tray and Dome to see if anything would happen?! I got two or three out of that whole tray although I haven't given up on them yet
All I know is this happen to me at about a year-and-a-half after I started growing again too, and I lost a few decent cuts including an awsome Cali Connection LA OG (raskal), still have a jar or two put away for myself, that's one cut I would buy again if I had the room and time
When I set up the bubble cloner I'm going to use some hydrogen peroxide this time, I think it's 5 ml to a gallon off hand, you would probably know that? And I'm going to keep it at 80 degrees no dome 6.5 and give it 18 hrs. of light, I'll put the progress up when I get it going this weekend
I took it off because I was seeing signs that it was staying too wet they sit in a quarter inch of water so the root Riot itself never dries upDepends on the h2o2 strength. 29% I think is 1ml per gal. But in terms of the dome I feel they are a must until ya get roots
I think that could be the problem. I never have resting water if my jiffy pellets start to dry a bit I just pick em up and most them. They need very little moisture I call it damp. Most of the water they take in will be through the leaves until they have roots. Soils will work but it's important to have it packed tight to the stem to prevent air pruning.I took it off because I was seeing signs that it was staying too wet they sit in a quarter inch of water so the root Riot itself never dries up
I'm using the drugstore strength hydrogen peroxide I'm sure it was 5ml now that I think of it but I will check it before I put it in
Far as the rest of it I don't get it but I'm going to keep at it it'll work out I think this run I might break this jinx
One last thought I was considering starting them in my seed starting mix which is 2to1 perlite vermiculite only I would mix it at fifty fifty, they sit, domed, in a little water at the proper temperature and they self water them self if this bubble clone attempt fails I'll give that a try next
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