The Magic Bullet

Capulator · Jul 29, 2013

I have been playing with my foliars for a bit, and I wanted to share with everyone my current blend, which has been rocking the house over here.

I call it the magic bullet. Follow the hyperlinks embedded in the words for more info.

THE MAGIC BULLET:

I strain 1/2 gallon of tea with root pack and foliar pack in to a 1 gallon tank sprayer and fill up to the gallon mark with dechlorinated tap water. I use this filter with a big blue housing to dechlorinate my tap.

I then add to the sprayer:

1 oz of growmore kelp SHAKE UP SPRAYER AT THIS TIME TO MIX KELP
1 tsp of Ca25

Shake up the sprayer for a minute to mix it all up.

I use this solution to soak all the plants from cutting to week 3 of bloom. I do not pH it. It is pretty much neutral.

This is a game changer. 1x per week be consistent.

Cheers,

Cap

ttystikk · Jul 29, 2013

So I'm guessing that between the Ca-25 with triacontanol and the bennies it really kicks growth up a notch!

What does the kelp do for things?

Capulator · Jul 30, 2013

ttystikk said:
So I'm guessing that between the Ca-25 with triacontanol and the bennies it really kicks growth up a notch!

What does the kelp do for things?

here is a quick excerpt: http://thegrowlab.com/2013/02/07/the-nutritional-benefit-of-kelp-on-plants/

ttystikk · Jul 30, 2013

Capulator said:
here is a quick excerpt: http://thegrowlab.com/2013/02/07/the-nutritional-benefit-of-kelp-on-plants/

Micros, potash and unspecified enzymes, according to the article. PGRs?

If it works, that's what matters, I guess. Have you done any side by sides to see if the kelp is adding anything?

Mogrow · Jul 30, 2013

right on Cap, i'm hooked on folairs. so many things to use. i've gone on the dynamic nutrient accumulators bandwagon. comfrey, watercress, dandelion, stinging nettle, the plants love "em. these could put the nute companies out of business.
still need to get some ca25, but damn it's expensive, stuff i use is free and growing all around me.
finally got my order in with you, it was a breeze, nice functional site.
peace mogrow

tweedy · Jul 30, 2013

ttystikk said:
Micros, potash and unspecified enzymes, according to the article. PGRs?

If it works, that's what matters, I guess. Have you done any side by sides to see if the kelp is adding anything?

I have done some side by sides. Side branching gets a lot heavier and nodal spacing seems to shorten significantly. Makes for a nice big healthy starting point for good sized buds.

Seamaiden · Jul 30, 2013

Nice recipe and share, Capulator, thanks!

One of the links isn't linked, the Growmore kelp doesn't seem to have a hyperlink.

Capulator · Jul 30, 2013

Seamaiden said:
Nice recipe and share, Capulator, thanks!

One of the links isn't linked, the Growmore kelp doesn't seem to have a hyperlink.

Thanks sea I just fixed it.

green punk · Jul 30, 2013

Hey Cap, are you using the Vegetables and Ornamentals version of Ca25?

Capulator · Jul 30, 2013

green punk said:
Hey Cap, are you using the Vegetables and Ornamentals version of Ca25?

yep. Call them and ask them for the small size for a home veggie garden. That little bottle has lasted me like 2 years.

We Solidarity · Jul 30, 2013

Hell yeah cap that sounds awesome - Kelp and bennies is definitely the most rockin combo I've seen I like to use Thrivealive green since I get it cheap.

Confuten1 · Jul 30, 2013

Cap, from their website:
There are five Calcium-25 products: Calcium-25 for Field Corn, Calcium-25 for Soybeans, Sorghum & Alfalfa (also for small grains and pasture), Calcium-25 for Wheat & Rice, Calcium-25 for Vegetables & Ornamentals (also for cotton, peanuts, tobacco, and grapes), and Calcium-25 for Apples & Fruit Trees (all are OMRI listed!).

Which one r u using? And if you dont mind,why that paticular formula?

Confu.

Confuten1 · Jul 30, 2013

ok jus saw your last post, why is veggie and ornamentals better than say field corn, or their other products? jus curious if their is more info on what exactly is in each product.

confu.

Confuten1 · Jul 30, 2013

jus some quik digging thru their website found this. Def not tring to troll ur thread, jus trying to wrap my head around what makes this superior and why. Ineed to get to foilaring again and im wondering how much better this will be than the nitrozyme/fullpower recipe.
As always i appreciate your input and experiences.

12. I use a fish emulsion foliar product or seaweed product in my foliar feeding program. Can I mix Calcium-25 with these products?
NO! Mixing these types of products with Calcium-25 products will cause certain amounts of the free calcium ion present in the solution, necessary for activity, to be complexed (or chelated), or even cause the calcium to precipitate out of solution, so it won’t be available for the Calcium-25 to have effect. But - Using these products a day or so after using Calcium-25 can make them both work better for even higher increases in yield, quality, and profit!!!

confu

ttystikk · Jul 31, 2013

tweedy said:
I have done some side by sides. Side branching gets a lot heavier and nodal spacing seems to shorten significantly. Makes for a nice big healthy starting point for good sized buds.

Beauty! Love it when someone steps up and drops the details like that. Props, Tweedy! I'm going to scrounge around for some kelp and give this a go, myself!

ttystikk · Jul 31, 2013

For those who don't want to buy their triacontanol and have access to alfalfa in fresh or pellet form, you can do your own 'extraction' by using calcium nitrate and heating the alfalfa in water. The ca-25 will be easier and more convenient to use, but I've taken advantage of the wild alfalfa growing near my house to good effect.

Capulator · Jul 31, 2013

Confuten1 said:
jus some quik digging thru their website found this. Def not tring to troll ur thread, jus trying to wrap my head around what makes this superior and why. Ineed to get to foilaring again and im wondering how much better this will be than the nitrozyme/fullpower recipe.
As always i appreciate your input and experiences.

12. I use a fish emulsion foliar product or seaweed product in my foliar feeding program. Can I mix Calcium-25 with these products?
NO! Mixing these types of products with Calcium-25 products will cause certain amounts of the free calcium ion present in the solution, necessary for activity, to be complexed (or chelated), or even cause the calcium to precipitate out of solution, so it won’t be available for the Calcium-25 to have effect. But - Using these products a day or so after using Calcium-25 can make them both work better for even higher increases in yield, quality, and profit!!!

confu

good find. I never noticed any lockout.. I do not use fish emulsion, but what they are saying makes sense, since Ca can fall out of solution if mixed with concentrated nutes (P, Mg).. I add in this order: bennies, water, kelp (not much), and then mix, then add Ca25, then mix again. Plus this is in a one gallon solution.

Maybe they are just covering their bases, andcertainly spraying them on alternate days is going to be effective. I am lazy though...

I called them and talked to them when I first ordered. They recommended Ca25 for veggies, so that's what I got. I honestly do not know the difference . There may not even be one since lots of companies market the same product for lots of different things. Neem oil is a perfect example. On the same shelf you can have rose spray, fruit and nut spray, veggie spray, ornamental spray... and if you look at the active ingredient: neem oil that's it. LOL. That's marketing for you.

Confuten1 · Jul 31, 2013

Capulator said:
good find. I never noticed any lockout.. I do not use fish emulsion, but what they are saying makes sense, since Ca can fall out of solution if mixed with concentrated nutes (P, Mg).. I add in this order: bennies, water, kelp (not much), and then mix, then add Ca25, then mix again. Plus this is in a one gallon solution.

Maybe they are just covering their bases, andcertainly spraying them on alternate days is going to be effective. I am lazy though...

I called them and talked to them when I first ordered. They recommended Ca25 for veggies, so that's what I got. I honestly do not know the difference . There may not even be one since lots of companies market the same product for lots of different things. Neem oil is a perfect example. On the same shelf you can have rose spray, fruit and nut spray, veggie spray, ornamental spray... and if you look at the active ingredient: neem oil that's it. LOL. That's marketing for you.

Right on dude, im jus gonna follow your lead on this. I ordered some today aswell as that hella cheap(price wise) kelp. thanks man, Ive seen ur trees and well, the proof is in the pudding, I also cant always expalin the science of certain products i use but if they wrk they wrk.

Confu

Seamaiden · Aug 1, 2013

I, too, have the veggies & ornamentals version, and I've been wracking my brain trying to remember why I chose that particular version, and hell if I can tell ya! That said, I don't recall that warning in the instructions on the label, and I've used it with dry hydrolized fish and liquid kelp, I'll have to revisit those instructions.

Pancho-N-Lefty · Aug 1, 2013

Good Lookin out folks. Ill try a side by side here in the near future myself.

PnL

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