Still ain't trimmed mine up.done two,still two left,ruff trimmed.nearly dry.i think I prefer touching em up when dry.shit mate,I've got loads of trim and pop corn bud.its suprised me this run.i begged these under mh turned right down to 250w.flipped em,and started em under me led panels,then changed my mind n went back to a bare 600hps bulb .they looked great all the way through.thought yeild must be a lot more than with last led run.but as I'm trimming em up,I'm finding,even though the buds look bigger.there no were near as dense n solid as led buds.im positive of this now.if only I could get the same spread of light as hps bare bulb ,id love it.im getting some side lighting to combat larf ,but really wanna build my own Cree panels,and Cree light bars at edges.also contemplating a 315lec in centre,with Cree led side lighting,lots of deep reds,ir,and uv,as well as 3500k white.what you guys think.I know a lot of you are not led fans,but I tell ya.these buds speak for them selves.im gonna keep experimenting,and at the moment I'll probably go for what ever runs cheapest,and costs less.electric is killing me