brazel said:

You got this, things will come to you from the time you spent growing! Get on TWN!
And read twice and reference with Google with what sounds confusing

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JMcG said:

Hey RD
I made it up to Planet Natural yesterday. Cool store... blows mine away!
It looks like I will be sourcing most of what I need from them. I forgot to look for the Concentrates NW products till I got home though, sometimes I'm an idiot. I searched them on PN website though and nothing came up. I looked at CNW website though, damn, they have a ton of great products.
I saw some products by Pro Pell It on the CNW site that PN did carry. Have you used PPI at all? I looked at their " Shellfish Fertilizer ", seems decent to me.

Edit: I searched " concentrates " on PN website and that worked. Looks like they carry their 55lb karanja cake (86$) and neem cake 44 lb (50$). I have both of those in the cart.
Not sure which way to go for my ewc though. PN carries Wiggle worm and Roots Big Worm... any advice there?
Thanks dude!

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brazel said:

Trust me bro, I'd hate to go back and forth... but I'll lay it out and no more from me about this.

Intake? Use Filter!

Don't go from outside to inside in the same clothes!

Don't invite other growers over!

I used to build clean rooms for Intel...I know how minimal thru maximum shit works!

Go happy

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RanchoDeluxe said:

Most of the 50lb sacks are outside under the awning. Wiggle worm and Roots are made with cheap vermicompost from the Canadian paper industry. There's an old man in Livingston that sells vermicompost. It's occasionally at PN. He had an article written about him in the Chronicle. PN may even give you his number if you ask the right person. Since you can use Oly and/or Bu's, skipping out on vermicompost is okay in my opinion. Just add a half pound of worms or so after the bed cools down.
RD

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brazel said:

Trust me bro, I'd hate to go back and forth... but I'll lay it out and no more from me about this.

Intake? Use Filter!

Don't go from outside to inside in the same clothes!

Don't invite other growers over!

I used to build clean rooms for Intel...I know how minimal thru maximum shit works!

Go happy

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JMcG said:

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Great! Thanks for the info on the guy in Livingston.
What crustacean meal do you or don't you like? I saw this ...

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Freshone said:

Explain to me how you go in and out of a room with a filter?Do you have some kind of an airlock you go in that sucks out all the air and replaces it with filtered air before you enter your room?Do you actually get undressed and then redressed before you enter your room?Do you shower first in a hermetically sealed room first?
What your suggesting leads a lot of us to believe you have very little actual experience yet you are quick to let us all know were doing it wrong.
Rancho has a nice little thread going here,hes logging what he does with pics and his experience doing it which he doesn't have to do so if you think you can do it better by all means show us your clean room and grow in your own growlog,ill be first in line to read it.

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RanchoDeluxe said:

Hey man is your avatar from New Zealand? What kind of tree is that?

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RanchoDeluxe said:

Before I go on about my soil mix, I want to throw this out there. I simply call things the way I see them. I don't put a cherry on top of everything. I don't Photoshop my pics. I'm not trying to sell you anything. I don't bow down to group think. My first no tills were in 20g fabric pots and I hated it.

Now that I got that out of the way....

Rancho why do you run 50/25/25 with your soil mix when everyone does 1/3's?
For two reasons. First, it gives my mix more "meat" for the worms. I use the soil I dug out from the last transplant and add perlite to it for veg. I also like to get a 1/2"-1 layer almost as a mulch after the 5 or 6th run to keep the top layer well aerated. May use pumice for this now that it's available locally.

I mixed up 40 yards of soil by hand. That's 8,000 gallons. It took over 100 hours. I need this soil to last. It doesn't get fixed with a 12-pack of beer and a phone call to Bubba. By last I'm talking 10 years...at least that's my goal.

If you are making 100, 500, or even 1,000 gallons of soil the game is different. Your soil can be replaced easily. Cost shouldn't be an issue for a setup this size. The easiest path to success is to use a 50/50 mix of compost/vermicompost like Organiks.... quality compost like I've already mentioned.
RD

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RanchoDeluxe said:

Hey sorry man forgot to get back to you on that. It's the pro pellit stuff. Clear bag, pink finely ground material. Only stuff they carry in a 50lb bag.

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GreenHawk said:

How long does a 1/3's mix last compared to your 50/25/25 and a 50/50 before you have to replace your soil?
Have you done a cost/gram analysis on your methods by chance?

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RanchoDeluxe said:

I think either recipe will last a very long time as long as the bed is properly maintained with compost/mulch/topdressings. I would say 4 years minimum if done right.

Quite a few variables for a cost/gram analysis for me. Are you talking the entire setup? Or how much I spend each round now that it's running? Might be over my pay grade!
RD

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