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Eric Holder Says DOJ Will Let Washington, Colorado Marijuana Laws Go Into Effect !!!

WASHINGTON -- The United States government took an historic step back from its long-running drug war on Thursday, when Attorney General Eric Holder informed the governors of Washington and Colorado that the Department of Justice would allow the states to create a regime that would regulate and implement the ballot initiatives that legalized the use of marijuana for adults.
A Justice Department official said that Holder told the governors in a joint phone call early Thursday afternoon that the department would take a "trust but verify approach" to the state laws. DOJ is reserving its right to file a preemption lawsuit at a later date, since the states' regulation of marijuana is illegal under the Controlled Substances Act.
Deputy Attorney General James Cole also issued a three-and-a-half page memo to U.S. attorneys across the country on Thursday outlining eight priorities for federal prosecutors enforcing marijuana laws. According to the guidance, DOJ will still prosecute individuals or entities to prevent:
  • the distribution of marijuana to minors;
  • revenue from the sale of marijuana from going to criminal enterprises, gangs and cartels;
  • the diversion of marijuana from states where it is legal under state law in some form to other states;
  • state-authorized marijuana activity from being used as a cover or pretext for the trafficking of other illegal drugs or other illegal activity;
  • violence and the use of firearms in the cultivation and distribution of marijuana
  • drugged driving and the exacerbation of other adverse public health consequences associated with marijuana use;
  • growing of marijuana on public lands and the attendant public safety and environmental dangers posed by marijuana production on public lands;
  • preventing marijuana possession or use on federal property.
The eight high-priority areas leave prosecutors bent on targeting marijuana businesses with a fair amount of leeway, especially the exception for "adverse public health consequences." And prosecutors have shown a willingness to aggressively interpret DOJ guidance in the past, as the many medical marijuana dispensary owners now behind bars can attest.
U.S. Attorneys will individually be responsible for interpreting the guidelines and how they apply to a case they intend to prosecute. A Justice Department official said, for example, that a U.S Attorney could go after marijuana distributors who used cartoon characters in their marketing because that could be interpreted as attempting to distribute marijuana to minors.
But the official stressed that the guidance was not optional, and that prosecutors would no longer be allowed to use the sheer volume of sales or the for-profit status of an operation as triggers for prosecution, though these factors could still affect their prosecutorial decisions.
The Obama administration has struggled with the legalization of medical marijuana in several states. Justice Department Officials had instructed federal prosecutors across the country not to focus federal resources on individuals who were complying with state laws regarding the use of medical marijuana. But the U.S. attorneys in several states that had legalized medical marijuana rebelled, and what was known as the Ogden memo faced stiff resistance from career prosecutors.
"That's just not what they do,” one former Justice official told HuffPost. “They prosecute people."
As a result of the internal pushback at DOJ, a new memo was issued by Deputy Attorney General James Cole in 2011 that gave U.S. attorneys more cover to go after medical marijuana distributors. Federal prosecutors began threatening local government officials with prosecution if they went forward with legislation regulating medical cannabis.
After recreational marijuana initiatives passed in Washington and Colorado in November, President Barack Obama said the federal government had “bigger fish to fry” and would not make going after marijuana users a priority.
Holder said back in December that the federal response to the passage of the state ballot measures would be coming “relatively soon.”
Washington Attorney General Bob Ferguson told HuffPost his office was preparing for the “worst-case scenario” of a federal lawsuit against the law.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/...ijuana-washington-colorado-doj_n_3837034.html
 
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This is good news... for the moment. Never underestimate the power of the political right wing in this country to criminalize behavior that doesn't affect anyone's civil rights- and then use that to their political advantage.

I think it's about 70% likely this country will elect a Republican successor to Mr. Obama, based on historical averages of a party change after an 8 year term. If that happens, I would be SHOCKED if the federal government wasn't let totally off the chain to go after 'druggies' of all kinds and their two man 'cartels' across the country!

Remember Winston Churchill's observation about America, as apt today as it was in 1941 when he was bitterly complaining about our reluctance to enter WWII; "America can be counted upon to do the right thing- after all other alternatives have been tried and exhausted!"
 
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Now every 'home" grower in WA & CO that relies on the MJ game to make a living will basically be unemployed overnight ( and surrounding states I'm sure)

As usual , the rich get richer and the poor get poorer

I don't see the advantage over the current med laws in those states .. I mean it's all GREAT for the recreational smoker

What about the people currently incarcerated that would not have been under the new laws ? or is there such people ?
 
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Now every 'home" grower in WA & CO that relies on the MJ game to make a living will basically be unemployed overnight ( and surrounding states I'm sure)

As usual , the rich get richer and the poor get poorer

I don't see the advantage over the current med laws in those states .. I mean it's all GREAT for the recreational smoker

What about the people currently incarcerated that would not have been under the new laws ? or is there such people ?

There are plenty currently in jail who wouldn't be under current law- and they are currently being denied clemency in most cases. This fight ain't over 'til everyone comes home. These people are therefore political prisoners (they're in jail for something no longer a crime, what else do you call it? 'Official inertia'? Bullshit!), and as such are very arguably PRISONERS OF WAR, in a fight for our rights under the Constitution... against our own federal government?

HOW IS THIS DIFFERENT FROM FASCISM?!
 
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My question is.. Why did they even have to mention guns or firearms?? And why did they say "use of violence and firearms in the cultivation of marijuana." Like people are beating up and shooting their plants?? Lol

I mean I understand what they're playing at... But come on, with that they're automatically putting marijuana cultivators and violent criminals in the same "group" in assumption that we're all criminals.

THAT alone makes me feel like we're not being taken seriously as caregivers or cultivators of MEDICINE and never will be. And what if you live on a farm? A ranch? You've got multiple acres of land?? What if you hunt game for a primary source of food and grow your own medicine??

The right to life, liberty, and property plus the 2nd amendment are both RIGHTS. These guidelines infringe on the rights stipulated by the constitution of the United States of America and its disgusting.
 
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WOOOwhOOO
ok, now im gonna read.
I am a patient, and a caregiver. ALL my cgv/grower friends hate this.
I WANT it legal. get a another job. gotta roll w/ life
really, I made them all come clean. once they took them out of the pic. :) yes, it should be legal
do you really think gods meds should not be readily available for everybody all the time???
if not.YOUR SELFISH
been vindicated after 23yrs as a patient
cant keep the weed down any more. I get a little pissy, my friends saying, that's how my kids eat, I grow, I sell....
wtf
sorry, its for everybody, not just you family
 
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last thing.

yep, I joke cuz I do german shepherds, plus forestry. so I have an organic farm by definition, 1 animal(hope you don't have to eat it) and growing food to eat, constitutes a tax break.
add the MMJ, when do I get a farm plate?
I have ptsd, chronic vomiting, and, now my back is degenerative...that is what hurts.
so, I am on ssDi, meaning I WORKED, so, to their judge, I said I smoke marijuana, everyday, for my quality of life. he repeated it, got in the transcripts. "says has no bearing on applicants issues we find"....pay him, they knew they would be buying my weed.
but, I told them, and they new I wasn't BSning, and was army infantry
, so, they ever come on my tree/ trees/ K9 farm...
well, that is why I told them from start, 8yrs ago.
wow, listen to the holy spirit some, after a while, it all looks premeditated:)
LIVE GUILT FREE W/ THE HERBALS

I don't know. I am worrying less everyday.
which is good. otherwise, I would only grow for me, that would be sad.
we wanna help.
Fitchburg01420no1getsoutalive
 
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brother, 86% of MJ arrest are simple possession
most of us have dealt with the cops and herb.

we made a choice, agree with the sheeple who are brainwashed
or except the consequences for being an independent thinker, exercising our free will
I don't care about legislation...
I care about morality.
it is immoral for the bastards to keep weed from the people

long live the weeds, the seeds, the dreams,
and the homegrows.


actually, been hearing Canadians want to come to us now to grow?
 
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lol..from the fuckin article..... "joint phone call???" lol
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A Justice Department official said that Holder told the governors in a joint phone call early Thursday afternoon that the department would take a "trust but verify approach" to the state laws. DOJ is reserving its right to file a preemption lawsuit at a later date, since the states' regulation of marijuana is illegal under the Controlled Substances Act.
 
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as long as it's forward right.... cant stop this tumble WEED! :)
 
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Now every 'home" grower in WA & CO that relies on the MJ game to make a living will basically be unemployed overnight ( and surrounding states I'm sure)



Good.

Making money off of an artificially expensive good because of it's lack of availability anywhere but the black market is not a sustainable model.

Beyond that, this is the only way that people can exercise their NATURAL (fuck constitutional) right to decide what to put in their bodies.


I'm sorry to anyone who will be hurt by this financially, but the fact is I'd rather people have their rights then a small group of folks be able to make money.

Protection of personal choice and dominion over one's body trumps the financial needs of a select few.
 
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me, what else do you call it? 'Official inertia'? Bullshit!), and as such are very arguably PRISONERS OF WAR, in a fight for our rights under the Constitution... against our own federal government?

HOW IS THIS DIFFERENT FROM FASCISM?!


As you know I am a big proponent of yours--but putting people in jail for breaking laws (even shitty ones) laws does not a fascist state make.

Fascism is a word with a definition. It's a definition you, and anyone who wonders at what makes our country different from fascism, ought to read up on. We're waaaaaay off from fascism in this country.

Unfortunately, when something becomes legal which once was illegal it doesn't forgive the crimes of people who came before the change. It never has and I don't think we can expect it to start now. Maybe if we legalize federally, but that's still a long way off.
 
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Promises have already been made, and broken. Actions speak louder than words.



Barack Obama Quotes on Medical Marijuana

"I don't think that should be a top priority of us, raiding people who are using ... medical marijuana. With all the things we've got to worry about, and our Justice Department should be doing, that probably shouldn't be a high priority." (June 2, 2007, town hall meeting in Laconia, New Hampshire)
"The Justice Department going after sick individuals using [marijuana] as a palliative instead of going after serious criminals makes no sense." (July 21, 2007, town hall meeting in Manchester, New Hampshire)
"You know, it's really not a good use of Justice Department resources." (responding to whether the federal government should stop medical marijuana raids, August 13, 2007, town hall meeting in Nashua, New Hampshire)
"I would not have the Justice Department prosecuting and raiding medical marijuana users. It's not a good use of our resources." (August 21, 2007, event in Nashua, New Hampshire)
"My attitude is if the science and the doctors suggest that the best palliative care and the way to relieve pain and suffering is medical marijuana then that's something I'm open to because there's no difference between that and morphine when it comes to just giving people relief from pain. But I want to do it under strict guidelines. I want it prescribed in the same way that other painkillers or palliative drugs are prescribed." (November 24, 2007 town hall meeting in Iowa)
 
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i am a patient.
not special, i realize we are all patients, and recreational smokers of herb

so, just call your smoking "preventative" medicine...lol
we win
 
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As you know I am a big proponent of yours--but putting people in jail for breaking laws (even shitty ones) laws does not a fascist state make.

Fascism is a word with a definition. It's a definition you, and anyone who wonders at what makes our country different from fascism, ought to read up on. We're waaaaaay off from fascism in this country.

Unfortunately, when something becomes legal which once was illegal it doesn't forgive the crimes of people who came before the change. It never has and I don't think we can expect it to start now. Maybe if we legalize federally, but that's still a long way off.

My esteemed friend, I'm well versed in what makes a state a capitalist, or socialist- or, indeed a fascist one. I'm far closer to the subject than you might imagine. I keep pointing out small, specific examples that add up to a larger picture supporting my contention of our legal structure and thus the self granted 'right' of your government and mine to stomp all over what we were taught to be our civil rights ANYTIME THEY DAMN WELL PLEASE, FOR ANY REASON, OR EVEN FOR NO REASON AT ALL. Kolah here has also been saying the same for a long time and may be wrong about some things, but we are not wrong on this one.
 

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