Dirtbag said:

Of course, they did a lot of testing. And honestly it adds work, they wouldnt do it if it didnt work I dont think. This guy is in charge of a very large and advanced operation, hes not some flatbill dude in his basement.

But again honestly like you I'm skeptical, VERY skeptical about defoliation, that's why I'm only doing 2 plants and not the whole crop. I've been skeptical about a lot of the things I'm trying, but I cant argue if it works. I'm going into this to see for myself one way or another. Otherwise, to be fair, I really dont feel entitled to an opinion as to whether it works or not.

One thing I can promise is that for this guy, it works. Never could understand how or why, but it does. I've seen him do it, now I want to see what happens If I do it the way he says. If only to prove it to myself one way or another.

If there is a fact, it's that I have no dog in the fight as to whether or not it is beneficial or disastrous. I just want to run an experiment and settle the debate in my own flower room. I'll hang dry 2 defol and 2 not and weigh the final product and compare them for differences.

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PipeCarver said:

Its my way or the hiway bud! if you don't agree I'll hit the highway. lol Of course its optional no laws yet on how Mr.G( the guy in the sky) want his plants trimmed. There will be some professing to know what Mr.G wants and they may want to lay laws down on how to trim according to their dreams... but I digress I've let plants go without cutting a leaf off but that left me with lots of yellow under done lower buds not fit to smoke.

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Dirtbag said:

Maybe not the best pics but this is some pot he produced, we traded a few oz last night. His bags are always comprised of nice compact and well developed nuggets. Not the flarf you would expect from a defoliated crop is it. And the burn and flavour is off the charts.
I'm a results oriented guy, and his results are impressive.View attachment 966024View attachment 966025View attachment 966026

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Dirtbag said:

Honestly this guy reached out and offered up advice when he found out I was doing hydro back in December and I took him up on it. I've been running basically this whole cycle under his mentorship and other than the fact that he advised me to use Dyna-gro products and I'm using botanicare, I'm doing everything he says. I've tweaked a lot, for sure.
But I certainly dont think I'm overstressing or diminishing my crop in any way by filling the room. Not yet at least... If anything its crushing my previous grows. Also, yeah yield is a factor, so I pack them in there. And the enzymes are beneficial because of the small rootzone and the nature of cocos strong cec to binding nutrients, not because I'm force feeding the plants.

I love the way you grow MiMed but I've gotta admit, you're a little set in your ways man.

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Dirtbag said:

Honestly this guy reached out and offered up advice when he found out I was doing hydro back in December and I took him up on it. I've been running basically this whole cycle under his mentorship and other than the fact that he advised me to use Dyna-gro products and I'm using botanicare, I'm doing everything he says. I've tweaked a lot, for sure.
But I certainly dont think I'm overstressing or diminishing my crop in any way by filling the room. Not yet at least... If anything its crushing my previous grows. Also, yeah yield is a factor, so I pack them in there. And the enzymes are beneficial because of the small rootzone and the nature of cocos strong cec to binding nutrients, not because I'm force feeding the plants.

I love the way you grow MiMed but I've gotta admit, you're a little set in your ways man.

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Dr.Green55 said:

Hey Dirtbag , I say if this guy is giving you Ideas to try , try them all and see if they work in your setup, remember changing one thing can change the balance of may things in the room, depending on room setup it works for some and not for others, I've been involved in making nutes , commercial grows , lab testing etc. If this guy is running a commercial site pay attention he will have tons of stuff you don't find on the forums. He should have good knowledge of how to mix nutes from scratch, that should be next for you. One thing I would say is I think your in coco , if so thats not true hydro.

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Dr.Green55 said:

Hey Dirtbag , I say if this guy is giving you Ideas to try , try them all and see if they work in your setup, remember changing one thing can change the balance of may things in the room, depending on room setup it works for some and not for others, I've been involved in making nutes , commercial grows , lab testing etc. If this guy is running a commercial site pay attention he will have tons of stuff you don't find on the forums. He should have good knowledge of how to mix nutes from scratch, that should be next for you. One thing I would say is I think your in coco , if so thats not true hydro.

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Dirtbag said:

Anyway... Enough about all this nonsense. We will see what happens and make an assessment lol

End of week 1 in flower is tomorrow, and the plants are lookin great. Still feeding 1.5 ec of the 70/30 grow and bloom mix. Need to get the second trellis up tonight or tomorrow.View attachment 966097

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bubblefunk said:

Stoked!!!! Looks like I'll be hanging in this thread and the cabana......already shadiness behind the scenes reminding me of a few reasons I left.....

Looks great bro!!!!

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Dirtbag said:

Lol, what's this cabana you speak of?

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MIMedGrower said:

Well @Dirtbag i ordered the dynagrow foliage pro and protect to go with the pro mix hp.

Hope it balances with my well water. But i also ordered a culligan faucet mount water filter to cut some calcium and iron and get us off bottled water.

I see why you like to change up things. Im excited to try something new and it matches the video i been posting with the dyna grow presidents recomendations.

Also i read on their site they have changed the micronutrients in foliage pro to match their cannabis test results.

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Dirtbag said:

Right on! Man, changing things up is half the fun for me now. I love the quest for improvement from grow to grow, tweaking variables... and now that the science of pot is really moving along with legalization, there is a pile of interesting new Info out there to chew on.

And yeah dude Foliage pro is apparently the bees knees. Before my friend went pro it's all he used for a long time as a medical grower. He swears by it.

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MIMedGrower said:

Added bonus i will only use about 30% of foliage pro compared with pure blend pro and even with protect cost will never reach half I think. And the bales of promix save more than half the cost of ocean forest and perlite. It may be even lower. I havent ever broken up a whole bale at once to see.

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MIMedGrower said:

Im not against defoliation or any technique that works for a grower. Seems necessary to trim leaves for a packed commercial room to me.

Packing plants like that causes problems and lowers yield and quality. The techniques and products are meant to minimize the losses. Not increase anything. A well grown plant with some space around it and proper light and environment will always out grow and out canabanoid a plant with worse conditions.

In my personal tests it was more than obvious so i still space out my plants.

Even the enzymes are to help reduce salt buildup. But the salt buildup is a result of mass feeding of a static strength. Not all the plants will use it the same so the enzymes can help.

Its all just tools of the trade to be used if needed.

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