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Beautiful plant, no 10 degrees swing is no biggie
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Might clog your system.Yo does anyone have any experience using drip systems? Would it be a bad idea to mix my nutes into 0.5L of water and slow feed that as my drip system waters? Or would it be better to just mix at the recommended rate and just hand water when feeding?
Also heres a little timelapse of my plant over a couple days lol you can see shes gettin thirsty, its pretty cool to watch
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I've noticed a lot of more experienced growers are coming around to this method. I find that it pretty much does away with deficiencies. I haven't had one in.......I can't remember the last time I had one.They aren't incompatible. "Salts" merely save your microbiome a step or two in the breakdown of organic matter into inorganic matter, aka "salts". If I'm doing combiganic, which is basically just utilizing microbes in concert with inroganic nutes, then I first use only 1/3 of the recommended dosage and then feed that amount every 3-4 days, instead of just one weeky feeding. I tend to get more steady growth without the spurts and lulls of weekly feeding. Combine that with regular inoculations and you've got a really efficient system in place. They use microbes to clean up hazmat sites so I think they can handle a few "salts". Lol
I have nothing against inorgsnics, I just hate all the measuring, mixing and pH adjustment crap. I just prefer to water and get on with shit.
I tested my salt ferts in a petrie dish with some agar and it didn't affect any of the organic life in the dish. It grew like normal. I emailed GH asking if FloraNova was organic or not. Their response was that there are organics in the mix. Somehow they've figured out how to condition the salt ions to not affect the microbial life.
I feed half doses at every feed which, in flower, is usually every 3 - 4 days. I don't really go by measurement by spoon as much as I do it by PPM.
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If you have synthetic nutrients, drip system will work fine. Organic liquid nutes will clog them up. You still want to run plain water through every once in awhile to clean salt build up when running synthetics.Yo does anyone have any experience using drip systems? Would it be a bad idea to mix my nutes into 0.5L of water and slow feed that as my drip system waters? Or would it be better to just mix at the recommended rate and just hand water when feeding?
Also heres a little timelapse of my plant over a couple days lol you can see shes gettin thirsty, its pretty cool to watch
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Do you use Flora Nova?I've noticed a lot of more experienced growers are coming around to this method. I find that it pretty much does away with deficiencies. I haven't had one in.......I can't remember the last time I had one.
I tested my salt ferts in a petrie dish with some agar and it didn't affect any of the organic life in the dish. It grew like normal. I emailed GH asking if FloraNova was organic or not. Their response was that there are organics in the mix. Somehow they've figured out how to condition the salt ions to not affect the microbial life.
I feed half doses at every feed which, in flower, is usually every 3 - 4 days. I don't really go by measurement by spoon as much as I do it by PPM.
I've ran a few different liquid nutrients and the Flora Trio is the one I keep going back to, I'm running Botanicare for the first time in a photoperiod grow and I bought the full line so 8 bottles total and so far I'm seeing nothing different then when I use the Flora Trio. Also some of the ml/gal for botanicare is crazy, 18 ml/gal for pure blend pro bloom soil at every watering so 2 quarts it pretty much takes for a full grow and you don't even start using it until flower. I think my highest dose for 1 of the Flora Trio is 8 ml/gal.
I probably won't use botanicare again, if I do it will be only some of their supplements such as Vitamino, Liquid Karma, Pure Blend Tea, and Hydroplex in conjunction with the Trio series.
I asked if you used the Nova because I was thinking of trying it because I read it's basically a highly concentrated version of the Trio mixed together. The only reason I haven’t tried it is because I heard it is thick as molasses and mixing can be difficult.
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Stupid phone lol il try the video again soon lol sorryTry again on the video.
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Well i was asking if it might give my plant nute burn or screw up the soil somehow if i did it this way lolMight clog your system.
Basically i wanted to know if i can let the drip system run for a little bit, then mix my nutes into a small amount of water and dump that on the soil while the drip system is running.
Iv figured out that putting ANYTHING organic, especially when combined with microbes, will clog the shit out of my tiny little single plant system iv got lol i dont want that at all
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That's why I'm not using my drip system in my 8x4 anymore, clogged it right up with General Organics Biothrive lol.Well i was asking if it might give my plant nute burn or screw up the soil somehow if i did it this way lol
Basically i wanted to know if i can let the drip system run for a little bit, then mix my nutes into a small amount of water and dump that on the soil while the drip system is running.
Iv figured out that putting ANYTHING organic, especially when combined with microbes, will clog the shit out of my tiny little single plant system iv got lol i dont want that at all
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It worked. But I exited on the first lights off because I got confused.
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This stuff works, use it all the time when I'm using the blumats. Sustained Village recommended the product.That's why I'm not using my drip system in my 8x4 anymore, clogged it right up with General Organics Biothrive lol.
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Hahahaha yea i have to leave those night times really dark, cant have that IR light messin up my flower lol il try to get more timelapse as time goes onIt worked. But I exited on the first lights off because I got confused.Then I watched it again. She is looking good man. I really want to see some time lapse of the flower! Gunna be sweet
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What cameras are you using?Hahahaha yea i have to leave those night times really dark, cant have that IR light messin up my flower lol il try to get more timelapse as time goes on
The Roku cameras I use have a far and near night vision mode, in near mode there's no visible light and can still see plants good in black and white. I've used 2 of them for 3 grows now in my 8x4 with no ill effect.
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Im using the wyze v3 camera. Its really awesome lolWhat cameras are you using?
The Roku cameras I use have a far and near night vision mode, in near mode there's no visible light and can still see plants good in black and white. I've used 2 of them for 3 grows now in my 8x4 with no ill effect.
So when i was looking for a camera i started looking into a lot of things about light, ended up watching a video by Bruce Bugby talking about cannabis and its sensitivity to light. I guess cannabis is one of the most sensitive plants in the world to light, and he was saying the plants can even pick up the IR light emitted from cameras, even if that light isnt visible to us. I also heard that cannabis can be bred in certain ways to produce fully feminized seeds which cant herm.
The only reason i bring that up is because all im using right now is bag seed, so i dont know if these seeds are feminized or not and i dont wanna risk it doing that hahaha so i ended up getting the one that has the option to completely turn off the night vision, just as a precaution lol im sure if i got some feminized auto seeds theyd be perfectly fine. But im never sure if these are gonna be photo or auto either haha
How do you like your roku cameras? I love the wyze so far, but the timelapse option is set up kinda dumb lol thatd be my only complaint so far
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Wyze actually makes the Roku cameras but Roku has their own app and it has it's issues, wish I would of just bought the Wyze. They work fine, I take a still picture everyday and then make them into a giant gif at the end of the grow as my timelapse.Im using the wyze v3 camera. Its really awesome lol
So when i was looking for a camera i started looking into a lot of things about light, ended up watching a video by Bruce Bugby talking about cannabis and its sensitivity to light. I guess cannabis is one of the most sensitive plants in the world to light, and he was saying the plants can even pick up the IR light emitted from cameras, even if that light isnt visible to us. I also heard that cannabis can be bred in certain ways to produce fully feminized seeds which cant herm.
The only reason i bring that up is because all im using right now is bag seed, so i dont know if these seeds are feminized or not and i dont wanna risk it doing that hahaha so i ended up getting the one that has the option to completely turn off the night vision, just as a precaution lol im sure if i got some feminized auto seeds theyd be perfectly fine. But im never sure if these are gonna be photo or auto either haha
How do you like your roku cameras? I love the wyze so far, but the timelapse option is set up kinda dumb lol thatd be my only complaint so far
The Wyze V3 is supposed to be able to have night vision without visible light. I knew plants may be able to see it still but I decided to try it anyways, I've had them at less then 12" from the plants and no herms or anything. That's for feminized seeds anyways.
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Aaallllllllrighty then, it was feeding day today! Unfortunately the liquilife was DOA, bottlecap must have popped open during shipping. But the liquid biosupercharger was fine so i got to use that! And that also has calcium in it, which is another reason i did this the way i did, since i mixed a few things together.
I fed kinda light so i can observe and add more later as i learn these nutrients and how cannabis in general can process it. Gives my noobish mind some experience lol
So the 2 purple cow additives both say to add 1tbsp into 1 gallon of water, and the foxfarms calmag says 1tsp per gallon. So i mixed 0.5tsp of each into a half a gallon of distilled water, and im letting my drip system finish watering with regular distilled water lol a good amount less than the purple cow stuff recommends, but shes calcium deficient right now so i went with the recommended dosage of the calmag.
I have to wait until my next chance to go to the garden shop for something a little heavier in P, the liquid supercharger has 7% K already so i think thatl be aight. I dont actually know yet, never grown a plant in my life lol
If anyone has any suggestions for future feedings, please let me know :) enjoy the photos!
O shit looking at the picture reminded me. I found something on the tip of 1 leaf. It resembles powdery mildew, but its not on any other leaves. So im watching closely.
However, there could be a weird explanation for this. If you see the picture of the back of my fan, youl see that i wasnt using distilled water in my humidifier for a little bit.... lol towards the beginning of the grow, iv got a distiller now. Anyways, so the clacium and other minerals were being released into the air and built up on a few things in the tent. I got most of it cleaned off, but my fan is oscilating so i figured il just clean it later. So i feel like its possible that the fan is blowing the minerals around a little, and some may be sticking to that leaf.
I tried to gently scratch it off the leaf, but didnt get it all off. So im still unsure.... if it is powdery mildew, i know i can lower humidity to help take it out, but what else can i do? Would neem oil spray work?
I appreciate you all!
I fed kinda light so i can observe and add more later as i learn these nutrients and how cannabis in general can process it. Gives my noobish mind some experience lol
So the 2 purple cow additives both say to add 1tbsp into 1 gallon of water, and the foxfarms calmag says 1tsp per gallon. So i mixed 0.5tsp of each into a half a gallon of distilled water, and im letting my drip system finish watering with regular distilled water lol a good amount less than the purple cow stuff recommends, but shes calcium deficient right now so i went with the recommended dosage of the calmag.
I have to wait until my next chance to go to the garden shop for something a little heavier in P, the liquid supercharger has 7% K already so i think thatl be aight. I dont actually know yet, never grown a plant in my life lol
If anyone has any suggestions for future feedings, please let me know :) enjoy the photos!
O shit looking at the picture reminded me. I found something on the tip of 1 leaf. It resembles powdery mildew, but its not on any other leaves. So im watching closely.
However, there could be a weird explanation for this. If you see the picture of the back of my fan, youl see that i wasnt using distilled water in my humidifier for a little bit.... lol towards the beginning of the grow, iv got a distiller now. Anyways, so the clacium and other minerals were being released into the air and built up on a few things in the tent. I got most of it cleaned off, but my fan is oscilating so i figured il just clean it later. So i feel like its possible that the fan is blowing the minerals around a little, and some may be sticking to that leaf.
I tried to gently scratch it off the leaf, but didnt get it all off. So im still unsure.... if it is powdery mildew, i know i can lower humidity to help take it out, but what else can i do? Would neem oil spray work?
I appreciate you all!
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I do.Do you use Flora Nova?
I've ran a few different liquid nutrients and the Flora Trio is the one I keep going back to, I'm running Botanicare for the first time in a photoperiod grow and I bought the full line so 8 bottles total and so far I'm seeing nothing different then when I use the Flora Trio. Also some of the ml/gal for botanicare is crazy, 18 ml/gal for pure blend pro bloom soil at every watering so 2 quarts it pretty much takes for a full grow and you don't even start using it until flower. I think my highest dose for 1 of the Flora Trio is 8 ml/gal.
I probably won't use botanicare again, if I do it will be only some of their supplements such as Vitamino, Liquid Karma, Pure Blend Tea, and Hydroplex in conjunction with the Trio series.
I asked if you used the Nova because I was thinking of trying it because I read it's basically a highly concentrated version of the Trio mixed together. The only reason I haven’t tried it is because I heard it is thick as molasses and mixing can be difficult.
I've run Flora Trio and, yes, it is almost identical other than you only have to pour out of one bottle with FloraNova rather than 3.
I would recommend it wholeheartedly. I've used it for years and it's never failed me. I've worked in many licensed grow ops and got to learn a lot about nutrients. Lesson One. Brand doesn't really matter. As long as the ratio makeup is good you should be fine. Lesson Two. Most amendments are BS. A lot of them are made with the large scale grower in mind so their improvements are small on a per plant level but when you're growing 1,000 plants, 2% difference is a big deal. Tent grower with a few plants? Not so much. Lesson Three. Cannabis doesn't need a lot to grow vigorously. You want to grow giant colas? Nutrient choice won't do it for you. Genetics is your answer.
That being said, I did a comparison between a lot of the popular brands and I found that out of all of them FloraNova was the best bang for my buck. I had someone mention that FloraNova and Botanicare were very similar in performance but that it was cheaper to run Botanicare than FloraNova. I asked him to look at the dosage chart on his Botanicare bottle and figure out how many doses per bottle he was getting. I told him to do the same with FloraNova. He was paying 30% more for the same amount of doses FloraNova suggests. And I only use half doses at most. It's also really easy to use. No need to have to be using different bottles trying to remember which one you used. Is it thick? Very much so. 60 second shake of the bottle should be sufficient to get everything mixed together. One of the things I didn't like about it is that it was kind of messy to pour out. I tried plastic pipettes, measuring spoons and shot glasses but I would still get it everywhere. I fixed that by replacing the cap with a plastic squeeze bottle top. No more mess.
In Veg I use FloraNova Grow as my base, CaliMagic for cal mag supplementation and some Advanced Nutrients Voodoo Juice the first few weeks of seedling/early veg. Armor SI I use throughout veg and stop when I hit week three of flip. Final pot hole gets a dose of Xtreme Gardening mycorhizzae. In flower it's just bloom and cal mag.
So far, so good.....
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Im really tempted to pick up the flora nova stuff now. I wanna see if the local shop has it, if not i might get it off amazon.
Heres a couple pictures the day after her first ever feed! Looks like i might wanna either add slightly more calmag or more of the supercharger, one of them has a good amount of iron in it. New growth looks a little light still. But shes officially growing flowers :)
Also in one of the pictures you can see a little orange hair lol just thought it was cool to see haha
Heres a couple pictures the day after her first ever feed! Looks like i might wanna either add slightly more calmag or more of the supercharger, one of them has a good amount of iron in it. New growth looks a little light still. But shes officially growing flowers :)
Also in one of the pictures you can see a little orange hair lol just thought it was cool to see haha
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Beautiful!Im really tempted to pick up the flora nova stuff now. I wanna see if the local shop has it, if not i might get it off amazon.
Heres a couple pictures the day after her first ever feed! Looks like i might wanna either add slightly more calmag or more of the supercharger, one of them has a good amount of iron in it. New growth looks a little light still. But shes officially growing flowers :)
Also in one of the pictures you can see a little orange hair lol just thought it was cool to see haha
I would opt for Flora Trio rather than FloraNova if you decide to use drip irrigation. FT doesn't have any organics in it so the solution is clean and clear which will help in keeping your drip lines, and especially your drip heads, clear of any debris that will clog them up. You can use Drip Clean to keep your lines and emitters clear but prevention is always the best way to go.
FloraNova, while thick, will dilute down but will carry some sediment in it. I run FN through my irrigation system but I don't use drip emitters so I don't have to worry about them clogging. The choke point in my system is the drip distribution head. It has a filter screen to keep debris out of the drip lines so I have to clean it up after every few feedings. I can probably let it go for a few weeks of feedings but I'm anal about keeping my system clean and unobstructed.
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Hmmmm ok heres a question then. My system came with a little filter you can attach to the end of the hose that you put in your reservoir. It looks almost like little clay balls in a plastic cage lol. Do you think that might work ok for the debris from the floranova?Beautiful!
I would opt for Flora Trio rather than FloraNova if you decide to use drip irrigation. FT doesn't have any organics in it so the solution is clean and clear which will help in keeping your drip lines, and especially your drip heads, clear of any debris that will clog them up. You can use Drip Clean to keep your lines and emitters clear but prevention is always the best way to go.
FloraNova, while thick, will dilute down but will carry some sediment in it. I run FN through my irrigation system but I don't use drip emitters so I don't have to worry about them clogging. The choke point in my system is the drip distribution head. It has a filter screen to keep debris out of the drip lines so I have to clean it up after every few feedings. I can probably let it go for a few weeks of feedings but I'm anal about keeping my system clean and unobstructed.
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I dont necessarily want to put my nutes in a reservoir, just because it can get hard to manage if i were to leave the organic nutrient dense water in the container for an extended period of time. I dont want a bunch of shit growin in there lol GROSS
But if i can find a way to get some premixed nutrient water to sit for at least a week, thatd be great lol i think im wishin for the impossible though
Also, i figured out last night how to fill my humidifier without opening the tent lol i have a different water pump, this one is made for filling a cup of water from a 5 gallon jug, but i took a drip head and was able to unscrew the waterflow controller and take it out, and i was able to squeeze the metal outlet of the pump into the opening on the drip head. I took the waterflow controller and used that to clog up the other hole in the drip head, stuck some tubing on there, ran it to the humidifier and boom, automatic humidifier refiller lol coolest part is the pump automatically shuts off after a certain amount of time, and thay amount of time fills the humidifier halfway. Not sure why i thought this was so cool lol
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