And I would recommend Jack's nute line as far as synthetics go, especially when trying new things out, much simpler keeping to a 3 part complete base, thats cheap. Won't have to overcomplicate things.
Another tip to new growers. FUCK THE ADDITIVES. KISS. Until you can pull a consistent A grade harvests with respectable numbers everytime, dont worry about this or that tiny detail in your feeding regiment. Don't overcomplicate it, it make a minute difference comparatively to much you could lose by not being able to track down the problem. I can rock a maxibloom room and best out a 3 year experienced grow running a whole AN line, everytime, guaranteed. Read the plants not the chart. When you feel like you have sufficent experience, then go ahead and tweak your feed regiment. I see too many guys chase phantom problems, without even knowing whats going on with their plant. Shit some of the best growers I know rock only FNB 1 part(which I'm running bc I miss lucas lol) and Jack's 3-2-1 mix.
Great advice and thanks for the help. I def got this. I was going to use jacks just cuz I've got a bunch of it but u can't get any easier than flora duo. Just an a and b start to finish. Funny though now that u mention it I've got a bag of maxi loom .may just consider it. Also I agree about ppm numbers being like pull dates.lol. The ladies will ultimately dictate what I give them. So thanks man. I'll be in touch.
I would suggest that flora duo combo first if you already have it. Jacks can be too concentrated if you add too much, flora duo is solid. But jacks is dirrrrt cheap. I was just agreeing with your nute plans lol. Solid approach either way, ur gonna kill it straight up.
That is one beautiful, frosted out girl. I hope HH is watching so he sees what's he done, because he NEEDS to let the rest of us get at those beans. Looking perfect homie
@Tnelz don't take my word as gospel lol. Been years since running f/d. Plus I only ran it for a year(5 crops) before switching to flockwool/croutons dtw then settling on coco
So, just out of curiosity. I've used Quick Fix synthetic urine previously to pass a UA with good success. This time, I bought this stuff called Noxide. Does anyone have any experience whether this stuff works? I smelled it and it smells kinda sweet, not like normal urine. I know this is a random question, just wondering if I should be trying to detox real heavy like. Don't know if I got the offer for a job yet, but I should know by Tuesday, in which case it's safe to assume I probably will be tested next week. Any thoughts on the matter?
To bring into perspective, I'm 5'6" weigh ~120 lbs. excellent metabolism and eat healthy. Fairly active, exercise every few days. Smoking habits are around half a gram a day give or take. Load a bowl and smoke on it throughout the day, often times finishing the same bowl the next day. No dabs, a little dry sift here and there. Just really need this job and don't want to fuck it up by getting caught with a substitution. This brand didn't come with a vial of uric acid. Was even debating having someone provide me clean urine and mixing a bit in (to make up for the assuming lack of uric acid) or just swapping it out entirely. Biggest issue with using another person's is the lack of knowing when the test may or may not come. And for those that say just stop, I had the interview yesterday (I know, should've stopped smoking weeks ago when I started applying, but hey. I'm a grown man, I do what I want. Better than being a drunk imo.) so I have limited time to successfully get clean.
Forgive me if this an unacceptable question to ask and I understand the variables all too well. Last time I detoxed for a UA, I quit for two weeks and barely passed the little strip test they gave me, as in the indicator barely showed that it was a negative test. Luckily, that employer didn't send it to a lab and admitted he had his test strips for a couple years at that point. My smoking habits were much higher in volume prior to that as well. Would my better bet be just getting someone to hand over some of theirs (have a friend with a GF that doesn't smoke and also has several kids) and freeze it until the night prior to the test and utilize it in place of synthetic urine? Pisses me off that we have to go to these measures for something we do on our own time in the privacy of our homes, it's no one's damn business what I choose to do. But I realize this is the way of the world and I've successfully substituted before, just with higher quality product.
Sorry for the rant, you all know me by now, I'm a detail hound. Thanks for any input guys!
[QUlate. "SpitXFire, post: 1515915, member: 66968"]@Tnelz don't take my word as gospel lol. Been years since running f/d. Plus I only ran it for a year(5 crops) before switching to flockwool/croutons dtw then settling on coco[/QUOTE]
To late. It's gospel. LolLoNo worries brother. I know what's going on just need to bounce stuff off someone to make sure my thinking is correct. And I thank u brother.
I would suggest that flora duo combo first if you already have it. Jacks can be too concentrated if you add too much, flora duo is solid. But jacks is dirrrrt cheap. I was just agreeing with your nute plans lol. Solid approach either way, ur gonna kill it straight up.
I've got almost the complete line of at least 15 lines brobrLol. I've got them both along with any other big name and not so big name u can think of. But I'm going to go with the duo. I have Jack's and have used it with great results.
Nice pics there McNugs and Jumpin!!
+1 @SpitXFire with not worrying about additives while learning and also that you are able to do just as well irrespective of "lineup".
I got some stuff that's been rattling in my head for a bit to mention, maybe it's a good time. (least I'm up, got energy and bored, heh).
*ramble warning*
I guess there was some conversation a few pages ago about these plants not being super resilient and all; though I also hesitated mentioning that they are in some ways. One of my "take aways" from the researching the last couple years, was just how much plants can adapt to a large number of variables with little "visible" changes. (light spectrum variation, pH ranging, EC ranges, NPK, etc) Ultimately, plants in general, are trying to reach a single end goal (form, look, structure, size etc) and a wide range of variables can change and still have the plant reach that same end goal. The changes plants make internally and /or in response to things are all aligned with trying to reach this same end point. The only time we get to see visible responses to any degree is when "the changes in these variables are greater than the plant can adapt to and still hit the original end point". For me, it seems rather remarkable that something can deal with so many variables and still achieve similar results; as that is much more complicated than mere survival (of say tissues, fruits etc). I feel this is a rather subtle but important aspect with plants in general.
I only bring up the above as it may help to make sense with my main intention here; which is to maybe cover some results / observations from my NPK testing. I've mentioned before that I used to do MG and didn't read online and such. A bit before finding the forum here I had begun to look online to see how things were supposed to be done and found out I was doing a lot "wrong". So, I got proper hydro nutes, added Si for the first time, better medium, NPK ratios off the forum, setup a drip, airpots;...the works, all proper like. As soon as everything got switched over Bam; I lost 30% yield, though plants were overall healthier. I posted some questions on the forum and also talked in PM's trying to find out why, but there was no "answer" per se or anything wrong per se. So, I began trying to eliminate variables and over the last couple years NPK ratios was one of those.
I would like to post my observations with the NPK aspect in case it can be of use to anyone. The primary strain that got all these tests was my Afghani Bullrider (which lost the yield), though random things were ran during this time also (good to have other genetic comparison.). Each NPK variable that was tested, was applied to 3 sets of 3 plants (9 total) across a 3 week interval and averaged observations were taken from these "sets". Tests were applied to flowering weeks 3-6 and 6-9 independently. During the test; medium Pro-mix HP, 3 liter air pots, automated drip every hour (to keep medium as close to supply npk as possible). Baseline NPK (when npk components varied) was appx. 110-60-200-90-40 (n,p,k,ca,mg).
-K-Was tested ranging from 185 - 240 ppm. K deficiency was noted @ 185 on a single bullrider that happened to be in coir (this is resolved by the fact that it was a fibrous / coarse mix w/ high perlite vs "fine coir). This was taken to be the minimum K sufficient point. No negative effects were observed up to 240ppm K. Overall there was no change whatsoever in the plants at any of the tested K ranges; positive or negative.
-P-Was tested ranging from 40 - 100 ppm. P deficiency was not observed (counting necrosis, not petiole color) in any of the ranges. At P = 60+ myco population on roots was visibly impacted, with no quantifiable change to the plant. No negative effects were observed up to 100ppm. No positive effects were observed in any of the P ranges in week 6-9; however changes could be observed under certain circumstances in week 3-6 (see caveat below).
-N-Was tested ranging from 60 - 130 ppm. N deficiency is tougher to establish a specific point. I keep more of my lower stuff than most (natural kinda) and you always get a bit of mobilization down low. As such I considered N- to be when upper / newer growth would show this as well (more overall plant N-). From this perspective N deficiency was never seen in week 6-9, but did show in 3-6 with N at the lowest point of 60. Negatives from toxicity were noted @ 100+ in week 3-6 and @ 120+ in week 6-9; keep in mind drip is hourly. A higher N toxicity point in week 6-9 was interesting. Negative effects, in terms of yield, were observed at any level "lower than the previous"; I.e. yield was proportional to N even with some toxicity levels. Further negatives to form being "stretched out" occurred in any of the N+ ranges. Positives for N were quite simple as more N resulted in more end yield in week 3-6; variation to N levels in week 6-9 made no change in yield.
-Ca:N- Was tested ranging from 0.5 - 1.0. Note, my bull is not a Ca pig and this can be highly variable on strain, environment, light etc. My bullrider only showed Ca deficiency with Ca:N ratio of 0.5 and in week 3-6 (not 6-9). However, other strains running during this time (cheese, cannatonic, GTH) showed Ca deficiency in week 3-6 with Ca:N at 0.8 and lower. No negative effects, in terms of yield, were observed at any ratio. No Ca deficiency appeared on any strain in week 6-9 at any ratio. No quantifiable positive effects were observed at any ratio.
-Mg-Was tested ranging from 30-50ppm. Minor Mg deficiency was noted at 30ppm in week 3-6, but not at week 6-9. No other effects, positive or negative were noted outside of this; though range tested is small was not a key focus beyond sufficiency level.
A final note here, no deficiencies were "severe" as hourly drip was resupply some quantities even in deficient levels. Many elements can of course have larger negative impacts in severe cases.
The caveat as noted above with P. There is a scenario where high p did result in a visible change in week 3-6 and the reason revolves around the "pk boost" philosophy. The effect is noted when the N and P are "inverted", I.e. in any case where the nitrate ppm is lower than phosphorus ppm. Taking into account the minimum sufficiency point for N above (70ppm-ish); meant in this case P above 80ppm. In this "inverted" situation, the existing calyx will "swell" or "fill-out" earlier than would occur otherwise; without the inversion. New calyx will swell faster as well. However, there was no change, in terms of yield, at any inversion level up to N = 70 & P=100. Because N was proportional to yield you could always increase N and P to maintain the inversion, but it is sort of like a cat chasing it's tail at some point.
What would seem to be the largest benefactor from this would be to utilize the inversion during seed production. The earlier swelling of the calyx can provide a longer period for maturation of viable seed.
Many PK booster Mfg's will recommend running 1/2 strength base while running the pk. If you plug those numbers into a calc.....they are all running this inverted N-P at that point.
Sorry to ramble and be long, just some stuff not worth making a thread about. Maybe someone will find some use from this I hope. I tried to condense parts down to avoid taking space and so people could read /find parts easier.
So, just out of curiosity. I've used Quick Fix synthetic urine previously to pass a UA with good success. This time, I bought this stuff called Noxide. Does anyone have any experience whether this stuff works? I smelled it and it smells kinda sweet, not like normal urine. I know this is a random question, just wondering if I should be trying to detox real heavy like. Don't know if I got the offer for a job yet, but I should know by Tuesday, in which case it's safe to assume I probably will be tested next week. Any thoughts on the matter?
To bring into perspective, I'm 5'6" weigh ~120 lbs. excellent metabolism and eat healthy. Fairly active, exercise every few days. Smoking habits are around half a gram a day give or take. Load a bowl and smoke on it throughout the day, often times finishing the same bowl the next day. No dabs, a little dry sift here and there. Just really need this job and don't want to fuck it up by getting caught with a substitution. This brand didn't come with a vial of uric acid. Was even debating having someone provide me clean urine and mixing a bit in (to make up for the assuming lack of uric acid) or just swapping it out entirely. Biggest issue with using another person's is the lack of knowing when the test may or may not come. And for those that say just stop, I had the interview yesterday (I know, should've stopped smoking weeks ago when I started applying, but hey. I'm a grown man, I do what I want. Better than being a drunk imo.) so I have limited time to successfully get clean.
Forgive me if this an unacceptable question to ask and I understand the variables all too well. Last time I detoxed for a UA, I quit for two weeks and barely passed the little strip test they gave me, as in the indicator barely showed that it was a negative test. Luckily, that employer didn't send it to a lab and admitted he had his test strips for a couple years at that point. My smoking habits were much higher in volume prior to that as well. Would my better bet be just getting someone to hand over some of theirs (have a friend with a GF that doesn't smoke and also has several kids) and freeze it until the night prior to the test and utilize it in place of synthetic urine? Pisses me off that we have to go to these measures for something we do on our own time in the privacy of our homes, it's no one's damn business what I choose to do. But I realize this is the way of the world and I've successfully substituted before, just with higher quality product.
Sorry for the rant, you all know me by now, I'm a detail hound. Thanks for any input guys!
Okay well I have quite a bit of experience with this topic...lol.. They type of test they give you for a job 80% of the time is a super basic test that is easy to beat by drinking one of those gnc drinks or a number of other kits you can buy, ive only heard of a few jobs doing thing like taking hair folical for testing in which case they will pretty much know everything. I had 3 years of randoms from a felony about 10 yrs ago or so and I found out the hard way those test are a lot more sophisticated plus the send of any results that even look a lil suspicious to a lab where they will find out the exact amounts of what is in your system. I think you'll prolly be fine with what you have although I am unfamiliar with it but otherwise swing by a gnc pick up one of those 50$ detox drinks. Stop smoking if you haven't already then about 2 hrs before the test slam the bottle plus fill it up 2 or 3 times with water and slam that then you gotta piss at least once but ideally twice before going..That part is also VERY important! When peeing in the cup dont let the first bit of pee that comes out in the cup or the last bit...you basically want the stream in the middle as this has been proven to have less residual substances...hope it helps...
Yes from the horses mouth HH wont be around. Sad to say the least. Seems as of late we are losing a lot of good peeps. Sure would like to know how this trend can be reversed. Feel like I am losing family!!!!
Nice pics there McNugs and Jumpin!!
+1 @SpitXFire with not worrying about additives while learning and also that you are able to do just as well irrespective of "lineup".
I got some stuff that's been rattling in my head for a bit to mention, maybe it's a good time. (least I'm up, got energy and bored, heh).
*ramble warning*
I guess there was some conversation a few pages ago about these plants not being super resilient and all; though I also hesitated mentioning that they are in some ways. One of my "take aways" from the researching the last couple years, was just how much plants can adapt to a large number of variables with little "visible" changes. (light spectrum variation, pH ranging, EC ranges, NPK, etc) Ultimately, plants in general, are trying to reach a single end goal (form, look, structure, size etc) and a wide range of variables can change and still have the plant reach that same end goal. The changes plants make internally and /or in response to things are all aligned with trying to reach this same end point. The only time we get to see visible responses to any degree is when "the changes in these variables are greater than the plant can adapt to and still hit the original end point". For me, it seems rather remarkable that something can deal with so many variables and still achieve similar results; as that is much more complicated than mere survival (of say tissues, fruits etc). I feel this is a rather subtle but important aspect with plants in general.
I only bring up the above as it may help to make sense with my main intention here; which is to maybe cover some results / observations from my NPK testing. I've mentioned before that I used to do MG and didn't read online and such. A bit before finding the forum here I had begun to look online to see how things were supposed to be done and found out I was doing a lot "wrong". So, I got proper hydro nutes, added Si for the first time, better medium, NPK ratios off the forum, setup a drip, airpots;...the works, all proper like. As soon as everything got switched over Bam; I lost 30% yield, though plants were overall healthier. I posted some questions on the forum and also talked in PM's trying to find out why, but there was no "answer" per se or anything wrong per se. So, I began trying to eliminate variables and over the last couple years NPK ratios was one of those.
I would like to post my observations with the NPK aspect in case it can be of use to anyone. The primary strain that got all these tests was my Afghani Bullrider (which lost the yield), though random things were ran during this time also (good to have other genetic comparison.). Each NPK variable that was tested, was applied to 3 sets of 3 plants (9 total) across a 3 week interval and averaged observations were taken from these "sets". Tests were applied to flowering weeks 3-6 and 6-9 independently. During the test; medium Pro-mix HP, 3 liter air pots, automated drip every hour (to keep medium as close to supply npk as possible). Baseline NPK (when npk components varied) was appx. 110-60-200-90-40 (n,p,k,ca,mg).
-K-Was tested ranging from 185 - 240 ppm. K deficiency was noted @ 185 on a single bullrider that happened to be in coir (this is resolved by the fact that it was a fibrous / coarse mix w/ high perlite vs "fine coir). This was taken to be the minimum K sufficient point. No negative effects were observed up to 240ppm K. Overall there was no change whatsoever in the plants at any of the tested K ranges; positive or negative.
-P-Was tested ranging from 40 - 100 ppm. P deficiency was not observed (counting necrosis, not petiole color) in any of the ranges. At P = 60+ myco population on roots was visibly impacted, with no quantifiable change to the plant. No negative effects were observed up to 100ppm. No positive effects were observed in any of the P ranges in week 6-9; however changes could be observed under certain circumstances in week 3-6 (see caveat below).
-N-Was tested ranging from 60 - 130 ppm. N deficiency is tougher to establish a specific point. I keep more of my lower stuff than most (natural kinda) and you always get a bit of mobilization down low. As such I considered N- to be when upper / newer growth would show this as well (more overall plant N-). From this perspective N deficiency was never seen in week 6-9, but did show in 3-6 with N at the lowest point of 60. Negatives from toxicity were noted @ 100+ in week 3-6 and @ 120+ in week 6-9; keep in mind drip is hourly. A higher N toxicity point in week 6-9 was interesting. Negative effects, in terms of yield, were observed at any level "lower than the previous"; I.e. yield was proportional to N even with some toxicity levels. Further negatives to form being "stretched out" occurred in any of the N+ ranges. Positives for N were quite simple as more N resulted in more end yield in week 3-6; variation to N levels in week 6-9 made no change in yield.
-Ca:N- Was tested ranging from 0.5 - 1.0. Note, my bull is not a Ca pig and this can be highly variable on strain, environment, light etc. My bullrider only showed Ca deficiency with Ca:N ratio of 0.5 and in week 3-6 (not 6-9). However, other strains running during this time (cheese, cannatonic, GTH) showed Ca deficiency in week 3-6 with Ca:N at 0.8 and lower. No negative effects, in terms of yield, were observed at any ratio. No Ca deficiency appeared on any strain in week 6-9 at any ratio. No quantifiable positive effects were observed at any ratio.
-Mg-Was tested ranging from 30-50ppm. Minor Mg deficiency was noted at 30ppm in week 3-6, but not at week 6-9. No other effects, positive or negative were noted outside of this; though range tested is small was not a key focus beyond sufficiency level.
A final note here, no deficiencies were "severe" as hourly drip was resupply some quantities even in deficient levels. Many elements can of course have larger negative impacts in severe cases.
The caveat as noted above with P. There is a scenario where high p did result in a visible change in week 3-6 and the reason revolves around the "pk boost" philosophy. The effect is noted when the N and P are "inverted", I.e. in any case where the nitrate ppm is lower than phosphorus ppm. Taking into account the minimum sufficiency point for N above (70ppm-ish); meant in this case P above 80ppm. In this "inverted" situation, the existing calyx will "swell" or "fill-out" earlier than would occur otherwise; without the inversion. New calyx will swell faster as well. However, there was no change, in terms of yield, at any inversion level up to N = 70 & P=100. Because N was proportional to yield you could always increase N and P to maintain the inversion, but it is sort of like a cat chasing it's tail at some point.
What would seem to be the largest benefactor from this would be to utilize the inversion during seed production. The earlier swelling of the calyx can provide a longer period for maturation of viable seed.
Many PK booster Mfg's will recommend running 1/2 strength base while running the pk. If you plug those numbers into a calc.....they are all running this inverted N-P at that point.
Sorry to ramble and be long, just some stuff not worth making a thread about. Maybe someone will find some use from this I hope. I tried to condense parts down to avoid taking space and so people could read /find parts easier.
Got a ??? for you @MGRox I have a cut/cross of the Afghani Bullrider x Starfighter. With the SF in the mix what do you think as far as yield on this particular cross. ? Will be run in a hydro setup DTW
So, just out of curiosity. I've used Quick Fix synthetic urine previously to pass a UA with good success. This time, I bought this stuff called Noxide. Does anyone have any experience whether this stuff works? I smelled it and it smells kinda sweet, not like normal urine. I know this is a random question, just wondering if I should be trying to detox real heavy like. Don't know if I got the offer for a job yet, but I should know by Tuesday, in which case it's safe to assume I probably will be tested next week. Any thoughts on the matter?
To bring into perspective, I'm 5'6" weigh ~120 lbs. excellent metabolism and eat healthy. Fairly active, exercise every few days. Smoking habits are around half a gram a day give or take. Load a bowl and smoke on it throughout the day, often times finishing the same bowl the next day. No dabs, a little dry sift here and there. Just really need this job and don't want to fuck it up by getting caught with a substitution. This brand didn't come with a vial of uric acid. Was even debating having someone provide me clean urine and mixing a bit in (to make up for the assuming lack of uric acid) or just swapping it out entirely. Biggest issue with using another person's is the lack of knowing when the test may or may not come. And for those that say just stop, I had the interview yesterday (I know, should've stopped smoking weeks ago when I started applying, but hey. I'm a grown man, I do what I want. Better than being a drunk imo.) so I have limited time to successfully get clean.
Forgive me if this an unacceptable question to ask and I understand the variables all too well. Last time I detoxed for a UA, I quit for two weeks and barely passed the little strip test they gave me, as in the indicator barely showed that it was a negative test. Luckily, that employer didn't send it to a lab and admitted he had his test strips for a couple years at that point. My smoking habits were much higher in volume prior to that as well. Would my better bet be just getting someone to hand over some of theirs (have a friend with a GF that doesn't smoke and also has several kids) and freeze it until the night prior to the test and utilize it in place of synthetic urine? Pisses me off that we have to go to these measures for something we do on our own time in the privacy of our homes, it's no one's damn business what I choose to do. But I realize this is the way of the world and I've successfully substituted before, just with higher quality product.
Sorry for the rant, you all know me by now, I'm a detail hound. Thanks for any input guys!
I use Quick Fix exclusively. Intel does 5 panel tests and I have never come back positive with QF. Never heard of the other you mentioned. My philosophy is if it aint broke don't fix it. Peace
PS it will help some to go clean for a few to help get your levels down if you think you have a good shot at the job. However as you know abstaining takes more than 30 days to clear out your fatty tussue deposits. But stopping now will help some.
I'm sure other will pipe in with better help. I typically have steered away from commercial bagged soils.This has helped a lot. Talk with Cap he has some goodies that will help also
