... and by the way, "Us and Them" is my favorite cut of the entire album! I LOVE the Sax!!!! What say You??

Derf

negroedamas said:

SourMangoDieselHaze........hasn't been treated very kindly

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Do you have any experience with it? Seemed to be too fussy with nutes for me. Vegged really slow too.

Let one fly into my hair and it's suicide. That was an apt description. Lol. Nice th see some new faces. I don't care what @SeaF0ur says those things bite.lol sea what is green goblin. Nice to see some new faces. Welcome y'all!

I am beyond blown away!! Turns out another 3 are for sure male and the last 3 very well could be male!! I mean WHAT ARE THE FUCKING CHANCES!!! 10 out of 10 male?!?!?! I HAD to have done something wrong....idk idk...gonna let them go another cpl days to be positive but I think it's just positive thinking....Oh well, if this turns out to be the case, fuck it! I'll just have to prepare for my new garden editions starting in January! I'm kinda tempted to buy one of those clone machines, but I fell the majority of you guys think its a waste of money and that I could prolly clone just as well with a tray of plugs...idk, shouldn't really wate 160$ if I don't have to but they make it seem so easy like "set it and forget it"!...lol

Tnelz said:

Let one fly into my hair and it's suicide. That was an apt description. Lol. Nice th see some new faces. I don't care what @SeaF0ur says those things bite.lol sea what is green goblin. Nice to see some new faces. Welcome y'all!

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the bigger ones do bite and leave a hell of a welt, but much like everything else, there are many varieties of rove beetle.
The athetas dont bite... theyre much smaller.

I believe you mean goblin queen? which would be:


...................................|---Cali Connection's Blackwater
................|---Dark Queen
................|..................|---BC Bud Depot's The Purps
Goblin Queen
................|................|---Afgooey (PNW cut)
................|---Goblin Girl .................|---White Widow
..................................|---Blue widow
....................................................|---Dutch Passion Blueberry

Lazerus00 said:

they make it seem so easy like "set it and forget it"!...lol

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The thing is, the tray and plugs is much more "set and forget". With the ez cloner you have to watch your water like its hydro. (ok not exactly checking pH and ppm every hour, but you gotta keep an eye on it). It can cause lots of problems.

People debate about keeping it on 24/7 and putting it on a schedule. I learned through my university a schedule similar to keeping the pump 15 minutes on and 30 off. I don't remember exactly. But try telling that to somebody who is using an aerocloner in the canna world. You'll get your head ripped off. Plus I think the companies who make them for canna growers use a pump that shouldn't be turned on an off. So you're stuck making the choice of using your equipment wrong, or keeping water on your plants 24/7 (and you really shouldn't be doing that). You run the risk of slow rooting and rot problems.

Now after all that talking shit about the aerocloners, if you do it right you will get roots very quick. I would say quicker turn around if dialed in right.

With the tray, yeah you should mist once a day or so, but I doubt you'll run into as many problems in the long term.

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I'm kinda tempted to buy one of those clone machines, but I fell the majority of you guys think its a waste of money and that I could prolly clone just as well with a tray of plugs...idk

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Yeah I know a few people say that but I say that since I bought my cheapo cloner bucket I've had 100% success rate with my clones and don't need a dome.You could build your own on the cheap,I know I could have but I had never used one so I ordered it and have been completely satisfied. Lot's of different ways to clone,I'll stick with my bucket. ;)

@Lazerus00 @DismalDude

"waste of money" definitely isn't the right term!

"could be more frugal" seems better

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I am beyond blown away!! Turns out another 3 are for sure male and the last 3 very well could be male!! I mean WHAT ARE THE FUCKING CHANCES!!! 10 out of 10 male?!?!?! I HAD to have done something wrong....idk idk...gonna let them go another cpl days to be positive but I think it's just positive thinking....Oh well, if this turns out to be the case, fuck it! I'll just have to prepare for my new garden editions starting in January! I'm kinda tempted to buy one of those clone machines, but I fell the majority of you guys think its a waste of money and that I could prolly clone just as well with a tray of plugs...idk, shouldn't really wate 160$ if I don't have to but they make it seem so easy like "set it and forget it"!...lol

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Nothing wrong with a cloning bucket. Nothing at all. Not the easiest way for sure but if you want one get one but buy the cheap htg joint don't go spending a ton of money. Cheap is as good or better than expensive. Same tech but just more expensive.but rock wool is literally set and forget. Soak add clones and a dome and walk away for 7 to 9 days. Cloned bucket requires at least some maintenance. But just curious what does clone technique have to do with male to female ratios. What's up man?

I agree with all the above posts about cloning.
Aero are faster but not much. rock wool are set and forget still get good %.
I like low maintenance already have enough chores to do.

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Yeah I know a few people say that but I say that since I bought my cheapo cloner bucket I've had 100% success rate with my clones and don't need a dome.You could build your own on the cheap,I know I could have but I had never used one so I ordered it and have been completely satisfied. Lot's of different ways to clone,I'll stick with my bucket. ;)

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which brand and model do you have....just curious?

and @shemshemet yea its funny you bring up the water pump time issue bc where I was reading about it, it said in BOLD letters that "Some growers will try to tell you that the jets should be on a timer but this is TOTALLY wrong."..lol..Then it goes on to say that the min you stop spraying water that the cut starts to dry up and close up and as soon as they do you will have problems with rooting and with root rot ect....I believe you over this ad trying to tell me something but I wonder why the companies and people that use them all think one way and the rest of the community thinks another....

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Nothing wrong with a cloning bucket. Nothing at all. Not the easiest way for sure but if you want one get one but buy the cheap htg joint don't go spending a ton of money. Cheap is as good or better than expensive. Same tech but just more expensive.but rock wool is literally set and forget. Soak add clones and a dome and walk away for 7 to 9 days. Cloned bucket requires at least some maintenance. But just curious what does clone technique have to do with male to female ratios. What's up man?

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They have nothing to do with each other. Sorry didn't realize that I didn't clearly separate the two ideas/thoughts....I brought up the cloning thing after I talked about all the males the Canna Gods decided to bless me with...

Lazerus00 said:

which brand and model do you have....just curious?

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I got this one last year but it isn't available atm.There are some others on site that are similar.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B009JV2XTM?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o07_s00

Here is the company that makes it.
http://www.clonebucket.com/hydro-west-clonebucket-2-0-8-site/

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which brand and model do you have....just curious?

and @shemshemet yea its funny you bring up the water pump time issue bc where I was reading about it, it said in BOLD letters that "Some growers will try to tell you that the jets should be on a timer but this is TOTALLY wrong."..lol..Then it goes on to say that the min you stop spraying water that the cut starts to dry up and close up and as soon as they do you will have problems with rooting and with root rot ect....I believe you over this ad trying to tell me something but I wonder why the companies and people that use them all think one way and the rest of the community thinks another....

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I use mine on a timer with no problems at all and it keeps the water temps much cooler.I have it set to 15min. on/off.No drying at all and nothing but nice white healthy roots. ;)

Yeah it is wrong that they should be on 24/7. I've heard they tell you that because the pumps are not ok with being on a timer. Yet I've seen and heard of plenty of use of these on a timer and its fine. ^^^ @DismalDude

@Lazerus00 I tried one of those TurboKloners (not sure if you remember), but I was definitely not happy. Not at all saying they are bad; though for my situation and bad habits (lol), it's not for me. If you use a style like that I would HIGHLY recommend R/o water as the base.......unless your tap is city (with Cl).
There are a whole host of problems that have a higher chance to occur with the pump / nozzle type aero cloner; as compared to other methods. I would also highly recommend having some Chlorine Dioxide tablets around. I did test a 2ppm sterilization in mine and it worked beautifully.

As far as the pump needing to be on 24hrs; Total hogwash. In fact I would easily argue that 24/7 pump on is actually worse (from chance of things going wrong) than it would be with a timer. I tested with "off" times from 5 min to 1 hour. I now have the unit running with 45 seconds on and 1 hour off. Don't take just my word for it; Jackmayofficer also ran 1 hour off times and noted better results too. One hour off even is fine with brand new day one cuts.
Once I pull the remaining rooted cuts out of that system it will be shut off permanently, so i can test the new method I've got setting ready to try.

I guess for me, and just for me; I don't tend to do much maintenance on my cloners (my diy bubblers). If I change the water once a month, that is considered quick. I don't ever adjust the pH, just slosh some water in when it gets down half way. Also, very often I have to leave cuts in the cloner for as many as 3 weeks after rooting. So, my setup also has to allow for growing beyond rooting....again with no maintenance / care.
-So any cloner that I can do maintenance only once a month, get 100% rooting and can leave cuts for several weeks to themselves....I'm all for it.

**A note with this, if anyone has interest. When I setup my new bubbler I tested all the different plugs (if you remember). Root riot, rapid rooters, super starter plugs, rockwool. I did notice rockwool rooting fastest on the first test, however. Long term (i.e. time after rooting); the rockwool really suffers with salt buildup. Again my system is always blowing moist air through the medium, so this scenario can easily be exacerbated. However, rooted cuts left for 3 weeks; barely grew in rockwool, but grew 12" with the other mediums. As such, I'm using the rapid rooters from here on out.

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I guess also it's interesting about high male percentage. I've recently noted that I have the opposite issue and have been wondering why. If I count all the newer strains that I've raised in the last 2 years; I have an 85% female to 15% male ratio. The one cross I did with my old strain bullrider; resulted in a 65% 35% ratio, so not far off from normal.

-I have been wanting to ask why do newer strains seem to have such a high female percentage compared to old?
-Also I notice that with old genetics hermies were rare and went full on hermy when they did show. It seems that newer strains have a higher chance to hermy, but only do it "marginally". I wonder if the higher female chance somehow relates to the higher hermy occurrence as well? You know with nature always trying for balance n' such.

@Lazerus00 for me, with males, there are a couple things that I tend to focus on early; so as to not get a ton of males. It all very well could be in my head lol. Basically though, I tend to run on the dry side compared to most; however I don't let a plant get near "droopy" before sexed, though somewhat close. I definitely would not want to run them totally and evenly moist during pre-sex. With nutrients I try to keep the leaves a "medium green"; not dark green or light green. I do not want to "crank" nutrients as well in the pre-sex stage. Suppose I prefer to keep them in temps below 80 also. Finally, I do not attempt any training during the pre-sex period either.

@MGRox

thats so crazy bc i pretty much did the opppsite of everything you said...i trained early, always have. Since i went away and had to use the blumat when i got back i noticed about half the plants werent getting water and dried to the droopy stage and when i brought them back i kept everything evenly moist. HA! Well seems I will try things diff next round!! I just hate losing all those beans!!!

@Lazerus00 go to htg.com they have an 8 site for like 20 bucks. It doesn't have to be in any way complicated. They don't need to be on 24/7 but ime plug it in and leave it. Ph adjust every 4 days or not cuz you really don't have to. I've cut clones plugged mine in and straight left them alone for weeks no issues what so ever.

I should clarify too with male female thing. I can say for sure that I've seen results in relation to moisture and nutrients (i.e. higher males with higher moisture and /or nutes). Though the not-training component is a IMHO thing. I know many people do train pre-sex and that with mainlining; it's pretty well required.

I guess since the generally accepted consensus is that "stress" can cause a higher male chance. If that, in fact, is the case; then the "cause" is to retain the highest chance for survival of the strain; given those stresses. It would then be logical that "certain" stresses may promote female as a survival response; while other stressors my promote male.

I always end up back at a conundrum though when looking from this perspective. Since a single male can pollinate a large area and multiple females; it does seem odd that the "survival response" is to produce more males.

Any tips on keeping moms good and healthy while making sure they don't grow like wildfire.
I've got them under t5s
Been giving them a light and occasional top dress of some stuff called green trees (max yield freebies)
and a little tea hear and there